What did old Kaioshin mean here?

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:41 pm

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

What did old Kaioshin mean by "two rivals have joined together"? That Vegeta and Goku are rivals as for competing with each other or a rivalry in power, meaning they are about the same in strength?

DSB · Post by **DSB** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:49 am

ahill1 wrote:Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

What did old Kaioshin mean by "two rivals have joined together"? That Vegeta and Goku are rivals as for competing with each other or a rivalry in power, meaning they are about the same in strength?

Rivals in a literal meaning. Thats why there's that "Rival boost"

cheddarsword · Post by **cheddarsword** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:29 am

Rival: a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

These two know each others abilities. They know how each others power works, how their Ki flows. By fighting each other, they have an intimate knowledge of how the other one works. As such, when their minds are fused, it's like two halves that had remained separate become whole.

It's not because of the simple fact that they fight against each other, it's the knowledge of each other that has been gained from that fighting. It produced a strong fusion because there was already a psychological link.

Juub · Post by **Juub** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:47 am

ahill1 wrote: meaning they are about the same in strength?

You really gotta tell me how you came to that conclusion.

TheZFighter · Post by **TheZFighter** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:05 am

Rival =/= equal.

GodKaio-Ken · Post by **GodKaio-Ken** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:59 am

cheddarsword wrote:Rival: a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

These two know each others abilities. They know how each others power works, how their Ki flows. By fighting each other, they have an intimate knowledge of how the other one works. As such, when their minds are fused, it's like two halves that had remained separate become whole.

It's not because of the simple fact that they fight against each other, it's the knowledge of each other that has been gained from that fighting. It produced a strong fusion because there was already a psychological link.

Yep its this exactly.

While they have different personalities and may not "like" fusing they know eachother inside and out. Ever since the Saiyan Saga started they have fought, sparred, trained and seen nearly every important punch/kick/Ki Blast the other used in battles against others.

Combine that with their individual strength/skill/knowledge and you get an incredibly powerful fusion.

Rival just meaning someone you compete with. Rivals dont have to be equal.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:38 am

Juub wrote:
ahill1 wrote: meaning they are about the same in strength?
You really gotta tell me how you came to that conclusion.

Because "rivals" has already been used as meaning "being close in strength" before, like when Nappa said the Saibaimens rivaled Raditz in power or #16 saying Kamiccolo rivals #17 and #18.

cheddarsword · Post by **cheddarsword** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:04 pm

ahill1 wrote:
Juub wrote:
ahill1 wrote: meaning they are about the same in strength?
You really gotta tell me how you came to that conclusion.
Because "rivals" has already been used as meaning "being close in strength" before, like when Nappa said the Saibaimens rivaled Raditz in power or #16 saying Kamiccolo rivals #17 and #18.

Many words have more than one meaning. There's a forest fire, or you might be afraid your boss will fire you.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:17 pm

So which one is correct?

Cure Dragon 255 · Post by **Cure Dragon 255** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:25 pm

I'm sorry to say this to a One Piece fan with an awesome Doflamingo avatar, but I think you are prying your own interpretation too hard here. I dont think OId Kaioshin meant that, at least not specifically.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:47 pm

I don't think the so-called "rivals boost" is anything mathematical. There's no formula or whatever for Potara Fusion where there's an extra "x5" automatically tacked on the end if the two people happen to be rivals, or something like that.

Rather, I more or less agree with cheddarsword on this one, about being rivals causing a shared familiarity and similarity in mindset between the two individuals, which creates a more "complete" and thus stronger Fusion in the end. Goku and Vegeta are both obsessed with getting stronger and constantly trying to outdo each other, and that parallel attitude of "I'm gonna be the best" creates a Fusion that actually IS the best.

theherodjl · Post by **theherodjl** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:29 pm

Kaboom wrote:I don't think the so-called "rivals boost" is anything mathematical. There's no formula or whatever for Potara Fusion where there's an extra "x5" automatically tacked on the end if the two people happen to be rivals, or something like that

Its gotta be mathematical, well just the act of fusion anyways. Though I can agree the potara's "rival boost" is something fans have read into from the ambiguous quote from Rou Kaioshin, to justify the need for a number superior to that of the fusion dance.
At the very least there is a multiplier for fusion whether it be the dance or potara but its different for several individuals possibly due to race, age, health, height, etc, just anything trivial enough that makes a difference leading to Vegeta + Goku + fusion >> Trunks + Goten + fusion.

Juub · Post by **Juub** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:00 pm

ahill1 wrote:
Juub wrote:
ahill1 wrote: meaning they are about the same in strength?
You really gotta tell me how you came to that conclusion.
Because "rivals" has already been used as meaning "being close in strength" before, like when Nappa said the Saibaimens rivaled Raditz in power or #16 saying Kamiccolo rivals #17 and #18.

You know for a fact Goku and Vegeta weren't close in strength at the time so why would you assume them being rivals would contradict that?

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