The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZ Macky]

I'd like if people could give their opinion on these matchups with reasons. I've out a ranking of the characters from Super together but it gets a little bit tight when it falls under the God level and I was wondering how came out on top out of these.

Base Goten vs Frost in his First Form

Basil (not Drugged) vs Base Cabba

Tagoma vs Final Form Frost

SSJ2 Gohan vs Basil (Drugged)

Piccolo vs Good Buu

1. Goten- He was somewhat close to Buu arc Gohan and then trained in the RoSaT, increasing his power tremendously. He'd have gotten a bit rusty since then, but should still be enough to defeat First Form Frost with ease (who has like no feats at all except catching Goku off-guard, and we all know how easy that is nowadays), even with less battle experience. Poison needles should make it easy for Frost, though.

2. Basil- He was overwhelming Buu before he got serious. Cabba can't even defeat him with Super Saiyan.

3. Basil- Gohan's approaching Buu's level, but not quite there. Basil is comfortably stronger than SS2 Gohan with his power-up.

4. Buu- I believe that somehow Buu regained his pre-split power after all the absorption shenanigans. Piccolo, quite evidently, isn't even stronger than SS2 Gohan despite popular belief if you actually watch the fight carefully without hype-glasses. Buu stomps.

Anyways,
NEW FIGHTS
1. Base Cabba (Universe 6 Arc) vs Base Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
2. SS Caulifla (Tournament of Power) vs SS Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
3. Assault Form Frost vs Base Kale

[Shlugo]

Cabba, Kale & Caulifa vs FP Perfect Cell

Cell would be absolutely crushed by every single one of them. 3 vs 1 this becomes not so much a fight, but a volleyball match, with Cell as the ball.

I'd like if people could give their opinion on these matchups with reasons. I've out a ranking of the characters from Super together but it gets a little bit tight when it falls under the God level and I was wondering how came out on top out of these.

Base Goten vs Frost in his First Form

Basil (not Drugged) vs Base Cabba

Tagoma vs Final Form Frost

SSJ2 Gohan vs Basil (Drugged)

Piccolo vs Good Buu

Frost easily, he seemed to be a bit stronger than Freeza (barring golden form ofc) and Goten would have no chance with first form Freeza, especially in base.

Base Cabba could keep up with Vegeta for the most part, meaning that he would absolutetly pick Bassil apart with no effort.

Again, Frost in his final form seems to be a bit stronger than fourth form Freeza, given that Goku elected to turn Super Saiyan against him. Puting him against Tagoma seems like a hilarious mismatch.


Gohan, Basil was barely more than annoyance to Buu, and is on short time limit to boot.


Piccolo if it's Fat Buu, Buu if it's Fit Buu.

[Noah]

Cabba, Kale & Caulifa vs FP Perfect Cell

Cell crush them all, their only chance is to transform and then attack together to overwhelm him.

[dragonball0900]

Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga, no special powers allowed) vs Goku and Piccolo (BoZ, could be individually or in group).

[mcdjbeatz]

Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga, no special powers allowed) vs Goku and Piccolo (BoZ, could be individually or in group).

I think Chiaotzu has enough of a power advantage for him to be able to beat Piccolo or Goku individually however as a team Goku and Piccolo would win, especially if Piccolo charges up his special beam cannon while Goku holds Chiaotzu off because Goku was able to hold off Raditz (a much stronger opponent than Chiaotzu) long enough for Piccolo to fire his first special beam cannon which makes me confident that the team of Goku and Piccolo could win.

[MainJPW]

Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga, no special powers allowed) vs Goku and Piccolo (BoZ, could be individually or in group).

Without Chaozu's telekenesis the team takes it.

Individually Chaozu should take it.

[Ki Breaker]

Kale vs SS gohan
Cauliflowa vs berrus.. yes I want her dead

[Zamasu55]

Anyways,
NEW FIGHTS
1. Base Cabba (Universe 6 Arc) vs Base Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
2. SS Caulifla (Tournament of Power) vs SS Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
3. Assault Form Frost vs Base Kale

- If I'm not mistaken, Base Trunks only "fought" Ssj Kid Trunks in the anime. It's hard to tell, I put my money on Trunks as he's more expierenced.
- Well I don't think there's a gap between these two. If it was Ssj2 Trunks he'd have bearen her for sure, but I don't know if he can as a Ssj.
- We have no clue regarding Kale's strenght so far.

[Roronoa-pt]

NEW FIGHTS
1. Base Cabba (Universe 6 Arc) vs Base Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
2. SS Caulifla (Tournament of Power) vs SS Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
3. Assault Form Frost vs Base Kale

1. We've yet to watch a real fight with Trunks in his base form. Cabba looks like he's much more experienced in fighting in his base because he only reached SSJ very recently. On the contrary, Trunks always fights as SSJ. I'd say Cabba has the advantage.
2. SSJ Future Trunks was living a nightmare for most of his life, first the Androids and then Black. He's way more experienced in actual combat. He wins.
3. Well, we'll probably never see a fight of Kale in base. But Assault Frost was above Goku base form. I'd say poor little Kale has no chance.


NEW FIGHTS:

Frieza Final Form ( ROF ) vs Ultimate Gohan ( Current )
Chaozu, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Yamcha Kuririn vs Goten & Trunks ( both in base form )
Black ( base ) vs Golden Frieza ( no stamina issues )

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Vegeks, and Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks vs. Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black.

2) Vegito Blue and Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Vegito vs. Super Saiyan Rosé 3 Goku Black.

[Puaru]

Gohan (current, in other words Universal Tournament arc) VS 17 (again, current Universal Tournament arc). Who is really the strongest? Gohan could keep up with SSB Goku for a while, even while the later was supposedly using his full power, but was immediately taken down with the aid of Kaioken. Meanwhile 17 could easily hold his own against SSB Goku, but it was stated that both of them was holding back, so it's difficult to say how he would do against full-powered SSB Goku, and whether he would have any chance at keeping up if Goku activated the Kaioken.

So who wins?

EDIT:
Oh oh wait, another one too! Current Gohan VS SSrage Future Trunks. SSrage Future Trunks (God what a cumbersome name) could easily hold his own against SSR Black Goku, who was stronger than SSB Goku at that point. But SSB Goku had gotten stronger by the point Gohan recently fought, and lost, against him.

Again, who wins?

[Zamasu55]

NEW FIGHTS:

Frieza Final Form ( ROF ) vs Ultimate Gohan ( Current )
Chaozu, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Yamcha Kuririn vs Goten & Trunks ( both in base form )
Black ( base ) vs Golden Frieza ( no stamina issues )

- Who knows. Frieza was slightly stronger than Beyond God Goku, which doesn't exist anymore. So, who knows.
- The two kids slaughter. Unless this is Super where Krillin manages to beat Gohan.
- Black Goku would need SsjR to beat Golden Frieza, unless it's his tired version.

Gohan (current, in other words Universal Tournament arc) VS 17 (again, current Universal Tournament arc). Who is really the strongest? Gohan could keep up with SSB Goku for a while, even while the later was supposedly using his full power, but was immediately taken down with the aid of Kaioken. Meanwhile 17 could easily hold his own against SSB Goku, but it was stated that both of them was holding back, so it's difficult to say how he would do against full-powered SSB Goku, and whether he would have any chance at keeping up if Goku activated the Kaioken.

So who wins?

EDIT:
Oh oh wait, another one too! Current Gohan VS SSrage Future Trunks. SSrage Future Trunks (God what a cumbersome name) could easily hold his own against SSR Black Goku, who was stronger than SSB Goku at that point. But SSB Goku had gotten stronger by the point Gohan recently fought, and lost, against him.

Again, who wins?

- 17 did fairly better than Gohan against SsjB Goku. It is absurd but he wins. Thank you Super power scaling.
- SsjR Trunks is leagues ahead. Leagues. And I don't think Goku has gotten that stronger since the Future Trunks arc, I mean he did say he was rusty at the start of the saga...

[dragon boss z]

Cabba, Kale & Caulifa vs FP Perfect Cell

The saiyans. ssj2 Caulifa is probably around super perfect Cell and Kale is probably even stronger.

I'd like if people could give their opinion on these matchups with reasons. I've out a ranking of the characters from Super together but it gets a little bit tight when it falls under the God level and I was wondering how came out on top out of these.

Base Goten vs Frost in his First Form

Frost. Goten is weak imo.

Basil (not Drugged) vs Base Cabba

Basil. I don't think base Cabba could fight that well against Buu.

Tagoma vs Final Form Frost

Frost should win. I think Tagoma is over-hyped. He has a really strong and durable body, but I personally think his actual power level is still lower than Namek Frieza's (Piccolo was nerfed to base Gohan level who was weaker than ever and it was confirmed BoG base Goku was weaker than Namek Frieza). At best I would put him around semi perfect Cell, while I think final form Frost could be perfect Cell up to fat Buu level.

SSJ2 Gohan vs Basil (Drugged)

kid ssj2 Gohan might be able to pull of a win. I don't think buu saga ssj2 Gohan would though.

Piccolo vs Good Buu

They are close in power but I think Buu could outlast Piccolo.

Anyways,
NEW FIGHTS
1. Base Cabba (Universe 6 Arc) vs Base Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
2. SS Caulifla (Tournament of Power) vs SS Future Trunks (Future Trunks Arc, Pre-Training)
3. Assault Form Frost vs Base Kale

1. Trunks
2. Trunks
3. Frost should win even in first form. It was already stated he was the strongest warrior in their universe (besides Hit) and base Kale is way too timid even if she is stronger.

NEW FIGHTS:
Frieza Final Form ( ROF ) vs Ultimate Gohan ( Current )

Gohan wins. Even Buu saga ultimate Gohan would have a chance.

Chaozu, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Yamcha Kuririn vs Goten & Trunks ( both in base form )

Team takes it.

Black ( base ) vs Golden Frieza ( no stamina issues )

Frieza stomps. Even though it seemed like base Black was pushing SSB Vegeta back, when Black wen SSR Vegeta was able to stop his punch and push him back. So either SSR barely made Black any stronger or Vegeta was just suppressed when fighting base Black, which I find more likely.

[Noah]

Kale vs SS gohan
Cauliflowa vs berrus.. yes I want her dead

- Base Kale stands no chance against current Super Saiyan Gohan.

- 1% Beerus uses Caulifla head to sweep the dirt out of his castle.

[dragonball0900]

NEW FIGHTS:

Frieza Final Form ( ROF ) vs Ultimate Gohan ( Current )
Chaozu, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Yamcha Kuririn vs Goten & Trunks ( both in base form )
Black ( base ) vs Golden Frieza ( no stamina issues )

- Frieza takes it. I don't think Gohan reached that power yet.

- Goten and Trunks win. Even with their lack of experience, the gap is too large for the humans to handle. Unless Tien makes a kikoho and defeats them, I don't think they have chance.

- I have a feeling that Frieza takes this, since Vegeta could've been holding back when he was facing Base Black, and he manages to fight a bit with SSJR Black (I'm not an expert on Super, that's why I think this might have happened).

[supercat]

This whole Future Zamasu being SSJ2 tier thought process really doesn't make any sense.

Sure it does. He lost to SSJ2 Goku. Would have died against SSJ2 Trunks if he wasn't immortal and was able to simply match him again later on even when Trunks was drained.

And outside of the first 30 seconds that they fought, Zamasu never once hit SSJB Goku or Vegeta throughout the rest of the saga just from his ability alone. He barely hit Trunks more than once or twice.

I'm wasn't talking about the manga nor was I referring to present Zamasu. Though I'm sure anyone who prefers to keep the Buu Saga people relevant would prefer to use its less inflated powerscale as a reference.

So I guess landing 2-3 hits on SSB Vegeta and tangling with SSB Goku isn't enough to be considered SSB tier for whatever reason. Let's just agree to disagree then. I'd say there's not one fighter from the Buu Saga that could even Zamasu a good fight, let alone defeat.

Future Zamasu > SSJ2 Vegetto (Buu Saga) > SSJ Vegetto (Buu Saga) > > > Buuhan (or any form of Buu)

[supercat]

I'd like if people could give their opinion on these matchups with reasons. I've out a ranking of the characters from Super together but it gets a little bit tight when it falls under the God level and I was wondering how came out on top out of these.

Base Goten vs Frost in his First Form

Basil (not Drugged) vs Base Cabba

Tagoma vs Final Form Frost

SSJ2 Gohan vs Basil (Drugged)

Piccolo vs Good Buu

First Form Frost probably isn't that far off from one of the stronger incarnations of Buu. Poor Goten stands no chance.

Tagoma is probably a few notches stronger than Super Perfect Cell / SSJ2-tier and somewhere closer to some of the weaker forms of Buu. He has no chance against a fighter who probably isn't that far off from SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga)

Piccolo one-shots Good Buu. Doubt Buu's hits would even faze Piccolo at this point. I love how people take the whole arm thing and make it seem as though Piccolo was leagues below Ultimate Gohan, when in reality, it was for the sole purpose of proving the point that Gohan let's his guard down.

Piccolo is at least a notch above that overrated Super Buu-tier to be able to somewhat tangle with Ultimate Gohan.

[Ki Breaker]

- 1% Beerus uses Caulifla head to sweep the dirt out of his castle.

That's the correct wording yes, wonderful..
I doubt her sorry ass is capable of cleaning dirt either..

New fight

Mr buu vs Super perfect cell, SS2 gohan goku and Vegeta

[mcdjbeatz]

New fight

Mr buu vs Super perfect cell, SS2 gohan goku and Vegeta

The team takes this. I'm of the personal belief that most of Fat Buu's power went to Evil Buu and only some went to Mr Buu and place him a bit strong than SSJ 2 Vegeta and Goku, however I think that there are too many fighters for Buu to handle. SSJ 2 Gohan isn't much of a factor, Super Perfect Cell should be able to do some damage with his range of techniques and SSJ 2 Goku and Vegeta should have enough power between them to wipe Mr Buu out together.

[DanielSSJ]

New fight

Mr buu vs Super perfect cell, SS2 gohan goku and Vegeta

After losing most of his power to Pure Evil Boo, I think that Mr. Boo would actually be somewhat weaker than the Super Saiyan 2 characters (and Cell). While he might've been able to beat one of them if he got lucky with his candy beam, there's no way he could handle all four at once.