The Grand Priest annoucement and the Zero Mortals Plan

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Re: The Grand Priest annoucement and the Zero Mortals Plan

Post by MisteryOne » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:19 pm

Nejishiki wrote:
Yedis wrote:Despite being on Earth for a year, Goku Black could not kill every Earthling and 1 mortal who was a little below SSJ2 Goku.
Goku Black deliberately allowed Future Trunks' survival for his own ambitions. He wasn't incapable of the task, it simply wasn't his current goal (which Future Trunks curses him for when that's revealed).
MajinMan wrote:When was it ever stated that they wiped out every mortal in all other Universes? I don't remember a line like that being spoken. They killed all the gods and "took care of a couple of planets" before they attacked Earth. Is it a manga thing? Or am I just remembering things wrong?
I want to say that either Goku Black or Future Zamasu claimed that their Zero Humans Plan was almost complete. Unfortunately, I can't recall if that was truly in an episode (I attempted to comb through archived posts, too).
Goku Black only allowed Trunks to live in the manga version trough. In the anime the Zamasu duo was pretty incompetent regarding their plan, specially since before travelling to the past Black was even weaker than his future counterpart. The needed to fuse and lost their body in order to kill all the normal earthlings, something they could have done while Goku, Vegeta and Trunks were gone yet for some reason they were drinking tea.
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Re: The Grand Priest annoucement and the Zero Mortals Plan

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:31 pm

MisteryOne wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:
Yedis wrote:Despite being on Earth for a year, Goku Black could not kill every Earthling and 1 mortal who was a little below SSJ2 Goku.
Goku Black deliberately allowed Future Trunks' survival for his own ambitions. He wasn't incapable of the task, it simply wasn't his current goal (which Future Trunks curses him for when that's revealed).
MajinMan wrote:When was it ever stated that they wiped out every mortal in all other Universes? I don't remember a line like that being spoken. They killed all the gods and "took care of a couple of planets" before they attacked Earth. Is it a manga thing? Or am I just remembering things wrong?
I want to say that either Goku Black or Future Zamasu claimed that their Zero Humans Plan was almost complete. Unfortunately, I can't recall if that was truly in an episode (I attempted to comb through archived posts, too).
Goku Black only allowed Trunks to live in the manga version trough. In the anime the Zamasu duo was pretty incompetent regarding their plan, specially since before travelling to the past Black was even weaker than his future counterpart. The needed to fuse and lost their body in order to kill all the normal earthlings, something they could have done while Goku, Vegeta and Trunks were gone yet for some reason they were drinking tea.
At the beginning of the anime arc, Goku Black had a hard time sensing ki, likely due to not being used to the body. I think that excuse works well enough. Throughout the rest of the arc, they had other things to worry about.
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Re: The Grand Priest annoucement and the Zero Mortals Plan

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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
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Nejishiki wrote:Goku Black deliberately allowed Future Trunks' survival for his own ambitions. He wasn't incapable of the task, it simply wasn't his current goal (which Future Trunks curses him for when that's revealed).I want to say that either Goku Black or Future Zamasu claimed that their Zero Humans Plan was almost complete. Unfortunately, I can't recall if that was truly in an episode (I attempted to comb through archived posts, too).
Goku Black only allowed Trunks to live in the manga version trough. In the anime the Zamasu duo was pretty incompetent regarding their plan, specially since before travelling to the past Black was even weaker than his future counterpart. The needed to fuse and lost their body in order to kill all the normal earthlings, something they could have done while Goku, Vegeta and Trunks were gone yet for some reason they were drinking tea.
At the beginning of the anime arc, Goku Black had a hard time sensing ki, likely due to not being used to the body. I think that excuse works well enough. Throughout the rest of the arc, they had other things to worry about.
When Trunks was saved by Yajirobe a second time (offscreen) and Vegeta and Goku were in the past training/learning the Mafuba, they were literally drinking tea and talking about the Zero Mortals Plan they were not doing for...what reason? Also, Rosé is supposed to be archieved when ,as he said himself, Black completely controls Goku's body. He could perfectly feel the rest of earthlings and kill them with IT, yet he was drinking tea. Then Mai appears, tries to shoot him, and for some reason that makes him work into his plan again.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:43 pm

MisteryOne wrote:When Trunks was saved by Yajirobe a second time (offscreen) and Vegeta and Goku were in the past training/learning the Mafuba, they were literally drinking tea and talking about the Zero Mortals Plan they were not doing for...what reason? Also, Rosé is supposed to be archieved when ,as he said himself, Black completely controls Goku's body. He could perfectly feel the rest of earthlings and kill them with IT, yet he was drinking tea. Then Mai appears, tries to shoot him, and for some reason that makes him work into his plan again.
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Post by Nejishiki » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:28 am

MisteryOne wrote:Goku Black only allowed Trunks to live in the manga version trough.
Goku Black, on his schedule, decided it was Future Trunks' time to die in both interpretations. He had his fill of using him to strengthen himself after that declaration, too.

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Post by Lord Frieza » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:20 am

Noah wrote:Don't you guys think the annoucement made by the Grand Priest:

"Universe 1, 12, 5, and 8 are exempt from the Tournament of Power, because the average quality of mortals in them is high"

Makes the events of Future Trunks arc somewhat unbelievable to have happened?

I don't know if "quality" could mean just "power" or other things, but in the anime Goku Black has succeeded in destroying all the mortal life in 12 universes with U7 Earth being the last one for the "Zero Mortals Plan" fulfilment.

The question is: How?

Yes, he killed all Kaioshin causing the chain effect of killing the Hakaishin too, but what about the strongest warriors we might see in this arc that may be stronger than current Goku and Vegeta? Remember Black at time was somewhat stronger than SSJ2 Goku (the mortal who lives in a universe that is the 2nd lowest evaluated according to Zeno's rank), making this task beyond difficult to him.

It's unbelievable that the Angels and the Grand Priest himself in the future didn't gave a damn about it too...

What about the AFTERLIFE in those universes?

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As far as I was aware, Black and Zamasu were only stated to have destroyed a number planets. If thats the case then it dose not imply they have been to all the other universes and may very well have begun their work in Universe 7.

That would make some sense because U7 has the least to threaten them with. Between Goku and Trunks, all the major threats in U7 are dead or sealed away and every hero except Trunks is dead in that timeline. Why go out and put yourself at unnecessary risk fighting guys like the Pride Troopers in U11 when you can just go to the effectively defencelss U7 and build up your power base there before trying taking a shot at tougher universes.

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Re: The Grand Priest annoucement and the Zero Mortals Plan

Post by MisteryOne » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:52 pm

Nejishiki wrote:
MisteryOne wrote:Goku Black only allowed Trunks to live in the manga version trough.
Goku Black, on his schedule, decided it was Future Trunks' time to die in both interpretations. He had his fill of using him to strengthen himself after that declaration, too.
In the anime version Black never said he was using Trunks to powering up himself, and in all the anime fights between them previous to the one in episode 47 (flashbacks and RoF Extended Cut) Black was trying to kill Trunks everytime they met. There is nothing that suggest that he was letting Trunks live, let alone to power up himself. In fact, after being blinded (again) by Mirai Mai, he stated Trunks could not run forever.
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Post by Noah » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:17 pm

The explanantion that a universe having a "High Mortal Levels" means them having a good God guidance, but I still think power could associated to the growth of these mortals, thus still believing Black and Zamasu succeeding in destroying all those and future U7's Earth being the last survivors quite unbelievable.
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Post by Noah » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:26 pm

Now with Whis revelation in Episode 93 that one universe has a mortal stronger than a God Of Destruction, how should we believe that Black and Zamasu succeeded with this obstacle on their way?
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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:07 pm

Noah wrote:Now with Whis revelation in Episode 93 that one universe has a mortal stronger than a God Of Destruction, how should we believe that Black and Zamasu succeeded with this obstacle on their way?
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Post by Noah » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:02 pm

dbgtFO wrote:That's how it could have happened.

Sorbet was part of the Zero Mortals Plan, it all makes sense now :lol:
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Post by DHM211 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:26 pm

Noah wrote:Now with Whis revelation in Episode 93 that one universe has a mortal stronger than a God Of Destruction, how should we believe that Black and Zamasu succeeded with this obstacle on their way?
I've said this before, Future Zamasu probably took care of the people stronger then Goku Black.

No matter how strong you are, if the person you fight is an immortal that can heal that instant, you'll just end up punching them until you tire out, allowing them to go in for the kill.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKZE2lcoTyk

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:39 pm

Maybe none of them could breathe in space and Black and Zamasu destroyed their planets from orbit.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:47 pm

Noah wrote:
As I said above it was implied Future U7 Earth were the last living mortals, as people were speculating that Goku and cia could go to New Namek in Trunks timeline and restore everything, but Black stated all sets of Dragon Balls were destroyed.
Future U7 Earth was the last living mortals in Universe 7. From the looks of it that they destroy everything in U7 before going to Earth. It seems like Beerus and Shin being dead from Dabra in Future U7 allow them to start their plan on killing all of the mortals.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:54 pm

DHM211 wrote:
No matter how strong you are, if the person you fight is an immortal that can heal that instant, you'll just end up punching them until you tire out, allowing them to go in for the kill.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKZE2lcoTyk
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Post by Noah » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:02 pm

DHM211 wrote:I've said this before, Future Zamasu probably took care of the people stronger then Goku Black.

No matter how strong you are, if the person you fight is an immortal that can heal that instant, you'll just end up punching them until you tire out, allowing them to go in for the kill.
Even by that perspective wouldn't you expect that this plan would take ages to be completed? They could just work that fine by having Zamasu assist Black against stronger opponents and then he would get stronger through Zenkais. Goku Black being only SSJ3-tier by the time he fought Goku and weaker before meeting Trunks, make all their plan seems pretty hard.
Hellspawn28 wrote: It seems like Beerus and Shin being dead from Dabra in Future U7 allow them to start their plan on killing all of the mortals.
Not quite, there's a brief scene of Goku Black killing all the Kaioshin from the other universes. The dialogue between him and Zamasu implies that Earth is the last planet of the Multiverse for they plan to be completed.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Maybe none of them could breathe in space and Black and Zamasu destroyed their planets from orbit.
Their plan consist in exterminate all the intelligent life in the Multiverse without necessarily destroying the planets. That's why both spared Earth for years and some of its environment.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:35 pm

Noah wrote:Their plan consist in exterminate all the intelligent life in the Multiverse without necessarily destroying the planets. That's why both spared Earth for years and some of its environment.
I thought they didn't destroy Earth outright because they thought Earthlings were the worst mortals and wanted to make them suffer. For others they might have just quickly destroyed their planets and moved on.
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Post by Noah » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:50 pm

It's explicit in the dialogue that their issues are with intelligent mortal life, not with animals, not with the planets and its environments.
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