The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Polyphase Avatron]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

[dragonball0900]

New fight

Mr buu vs Super perfect cell, SS2 gohan goku and Vegeta

The team takes it. Even though Mr Buu is stronger than them individually (maybe not stronger than Goku), as a team they can take him easily.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

Nappa.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

Nappa.

I think he could go much higher than that.

[dragon boss z]

I'd like if people could give their opinion on these matchups with reasons. I've out a ranking of the characters from Super together but it gets a little bit tight when it falls under the God level and I was wondering how came out on top out of these.

Base Goten vs Frost in his First Form

Basil (not Drugged) vs Base Cabba

Tagoma vs Final Form Frost

SSJ2 Gohan vs Basil (Drugged)

Piccolo vs Good Buu

First Form Frost probably isn't that far off from one of the stronger incarnations of Buu. Poor Goten stands no chance.

Tagoma is probably a few notches stronger than Super Perfect Cell / SSJ2-tier and somewhere closer to some of the weaker forms of Buu. He has no chance against a fighter who probably isn't that far off from SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga)

Piccolo one-shots Good Buu. Doubt Buu's hits would even faze Piccolo at this point. I love how people take the whole arm thing and make it seem as though Piccolo was leagues below Ultimate Gohan, when in reality, it was for the sole purpose of proving the point that Gohan let's his guard down.

Piccolo is at least a notch above that overrated Super Buu-tier to be able to somewhat tangle with Ultimate Gohan.

Wow you are really highballing super characters

[dragon boss z]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

Ginyu

[Ki Breaker]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

The old kai unlock and whis training alone makes him shoot up to fat buu to Gohan buu level if not higher..
Those are both methods which give crazy gains

[dragon boss z]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

The old kai unlock and whis training alone makes him shoot up to fat buu to Gohan buu level if not higher..
Those are both methods which give crazy gains

the potential unlock only unlocks the users potential, it doesn't give them potential they never had. So Jaco won't get a boost like Gohan. It will raise him past any of the saiyans imo though and with Whis training he could probably beat everyone weaker than Frieza.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) If just after the defeat of Vegeta by Great Ape Gohan, Goku and his son were given a Senzu Bean to recover and by a miracle, had somehow achieved their Super Saiyan 4 forms respectively, would Goku and Gohan be strong enough to defeat Final Form Frieza at his 100% absolute fullest power?

2) If just after the defeat of Frieza by Super Saiyan Goku, Vegeta and Gohan were each given one of the Senzu Beans to recover and by a miracle, had somehow achieved the Super Saiyan Blue forms respectively, would Vegeta and Gohan be strong enough to defeat Super Perfect Cell at full power?

3) If just after the defeat of Super Perfect Cell by Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan, Goku and Future Trunks were each given a Senzu Bean to recover and by a miracle, had somehow achieved their Super Saiyan God forms respectively, would Goku and Future Trunks be strong enough to defeat Super Buu, with only Ultimate Gohan Absorbed?

4) If just after the defeat of Kid Buu by Full Power Super Saiyan Goku, Goku and Vegeta were each given a Senzu Bean to recover themselves and by a miracle, had somehow achieved their Gogeta Rosé and Vegito Rosé forms respectively, would both Super Saiyan Rosé Gogeta and Super Saiyan Rosé Vegito be strong enough to defeat God of Destruction Beerus, without the latter being able to make use of his fatal Hakai technique on them?

5) If just after the defeat of Baby by Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan were each given a Senzu Bean to recover themselves and by an insane miracle, all had somehow achieved their Super Saiyan Blue forms respectively, would the Z Fighters be strong enough to have defeated an all-out Golden Frieza?

[dragonball0900]

Android Arc Krillin vs Frieza Arc Gohan (no rage boost)

Basically Krillin from the Android arc goes to the past to fight a weaker version of Gohan. Who wins?

[mcdjbeatz]

Android Arc Krillin vs Frieza Arc Gohan (no rage boost)

Basically Krillin from the Android arc goes to the past to fight a weaker version of Gohan. Who wins?

Krillin takes this easily, Krillin was about 75,000 against Frieza whereas Gohan was around 200,000. His gains in the saiyan arc were incredible and should have translated well into the 3 years of training for the androids.

[Ki Breaker]

Suppose Jaco has his hidden potential unlocked by Guru and Rou Kaioshin, trains for a year with North Kaioh, trains for two years in the ROSAT, drinks the ultra divine water, eats a Tree of Might fruit, joins the Pride Troopers and trains with them for two years, and then trains for two years with Whis. Who's the strongest person he could beat?

The old kai unlock and whis training alone makes him shoot up to fat buu to Gohan buu level if not higher..
Those are both methods which give crazy gains

the potential unlock only unlocks the users potential, it doesn't give them potential they never had. So Jaco won't get a boost like Gohan. It will raise him past any of the saiyans imo though and with Whis training he could probably beat everyone weaker than Frieza.

He dosen't need to get a boost like Gohan, the unlock can give take him to third form namek freeza levels..
And then whis can train him hard enough to get him to raise a lot higher..

Gohan was one shotted by freeza first form and goku base faught freeza final form, that's a very large leap, Jaco is getting a relatively small one I say

[dragon boss z]

He dosen't need to get a boost like Gohan, the unlock can give take him to third form namek freeza levels..
And then whis can train him hard enough to get him to raise a lot higher..

Gohan was one shotted by freeza first form and goku base faught freeza final form, that's a very large leap, Jaco is getting a relatively small one I say

Gohan got really weak and Goku only reached that level because he is a saiyan prodigy. Whis was even surprised at their progress. Your argument is like me saying if Jaco went through the same training Frieza did he would also get a massive boost. No, Jaco isn't a prodigy like Frieza so he wouldn't get the same boost. Just like if he went through Whis training he wouldn't get the same boost as Goku or Vegeta did.

At best I could see him taking the lower forms of Frieza, but not final form Frieza.

[dragon boss z]

Android Arc Krillin vs Frieza Arc Gohan (no rage boost)

Basically Krillin from the Android arc goes to the past to fight a weaker version of Gohan. Who wins?

Krillin takes this easily, Krillin was about 75,000 against Frieza whereas Gohan was around 200,000. His gains in the saiyan arc were incredible and should have translated well into the 3 years of training for the androids.

Those numbers aren't from the daizenshuu and that same scan has a typo of Nail with a power level of 42,000. I also find it hard to believe Krillin and Gohan went from a power level of 10,000 to being able to stomp the Ginyu force that quickly.
Though I agree that Krillin takes it.

[Ki Breaker]

He dosen't need to get a boost like Gohan, the unlock can give take him to third form namek freeza levels..
And then whis can train him hard enough to get him to raise a lot higher..

Gohan was one shotted by freeza first form and goku base faught freeza final form, that's a very large leap, Jaco is getting a relatively small one I say

Gohan got really weak and Goku only reached that level because he is a saiyan prodigy. Whis was even surprised at their progress. Your argument is like me saying if Jaco went through the same training Frieza did he would also get a massive boost. No, Jaco isn't a prodigy like Frieza so he wouldn't get the same boost. Just like if he went through Whis training he wouldn't get the same boost as Goku or Vegeta did.

At best I could see him taking the lower forms of Frieza, but not final form Frieza.

If I wanted to ay Jaco is a prodigy I wouldn't be placing him in Mr buu levels now would i

[dragon boss z]

If I wanted to ay Jaco is a prodigy I wouldn't be placing him in Mr buu levels now would i

being able to become Mr. Buu level is prodigy level... You realize there was nobody in the entire universe who could even match first form Frieza right? If anybody trained their whole life and they even became close to namek saga first form Frieza they would be a prodigy. Frieza even said he didn't think he would even come across someone stronger than Ginyu, that should tell you something.

And you are over-hyping Gohan's mystic boost. Gohan's full power was already Cell tier. So making him stronger than Super Buu probably wasn't even a 50x boost.

[Ki Breaker]

If I wanted to ay Jaco is a prodigy I wouldn't be placing him in Mr buu levels now would i

being able to become Mr. Buu level is prodigy level... You realize there was nobody in the entire universe who could even match first form Frieza right? If anybody trained their whole life and they even became close to namek saga first form Frieza they would be a prodigy. Frieza even said he didn't think he would even come across someone stronger than Ginyu, that should tell you something.

And you are over-hyping Gohan's mystic boost. Gohan's full power was already Cell tier. So making him stronger than Super Buu probably wasn't even a 50x boost.

I really am not over hyping anyone, did i say Jaco goes Mr buu level by old kai alone? Nope, all the features mentioned contributes to it..

And training with whis is something which gives boosts beyond what namek saga imagined, whis isn't the god of destruction trainer for nothing you know..

Dosen't seem like something will be achieved by this conversation, there seems to be no middle ground here..

Your argument is you need to be a prodigy to reach buu level and mine is whis training and potential unlock can do this for him.. let's leave it at that

[dragon boss z]

I really am not over hyping anyone, did i say Jaco goes Mr buu level by old kai alone? Nope, all the features mentioned contributes to it..

And training with whis is something which gives boosts beyond what namek saga imagined, whis isn't the god of destruction trainer for nothing you know..

Dosen't seem like something will be achieved by this conversation, there seems to be no middle ground here..

Your argument is you need to be a prodigy to reach buu level and mine is whis training and potential unlock can do this for him.. let's leave it at that

That still seems kind of out there. Mr. Buu is extremely storng. He could one shot the supreme kai who could one shot Frieza. I don't see someone saiyan saga tier reaching that level without transformations.

Lets highball Jaco and say he is a power level of 20,000 and lets say Mr. buu has a power level of 4 billion. That would make Buu 200,000 times stronger than him. I find it hard to believe Jaco could make those kinds of gains under any circumstance.

[Noah]

Strongest character current Mutenroshi can beat?

[Ki Breaker]

Strongest character current Mutenroshi can beat?

Yamcha, after the next episode bump it up to tien, he seems to be training really hard ever since he beat times ass in mind controlled form