An interesting difference between Kale and Broly

[ChiefWamsutta]

It is interesting how similar these two truly are. The dialogue in Ep. 93 even spoke about power "overflowing."

However, there is an interesting slight difference with the lightning in Kale's form. The animators have been good about keeping the lightning in when a Saiyan goes SS2. I'm wondering if Kale's form is not exactly the Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Maybe it is something else, as it was never named in the episode.

[sintzu]

I can't believe how much better the art is from back then compared to now.

The lightning could be like when Vegetto first went Ssj where he had it when he transformed as a way to show how strong he was.

[julianix]

Broly looks so much better. Does she have lipstick on? Ugh it looks like a bad knockoff.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Broly looks so much better. Does she have lipstick on? Ugh it looks like a bad knockoff.

She does...which makes sense if she had it on before she transformed. It is ugly though.

[Dpc292]

...I bet she gives good rjs though.

[PMD]

I've seen this. It's kind of cool. I take it as an homage. There's a lot of shots that are similar in the entire Keru's transformation and battle scene against Kyabe.

I've never been too much of a fan of the so called "legendary ssj" form. I don't even get it, nor Broly's motives. Such a pointless and random character. Keru's is a cool character, but we need more information about her. Broly was angry because Goku never let him sleep when they were babies. I hope they do something better with Keru.

I can't believe how much better the art is from back then compared to now.

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion, with all due respect. Context.

[sintzu]

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion.

That movie is 20 years old and Super is almost 100 episodes in so by now it should be good scheduled.

[MegaBossMan]

That movie is 20 years old and Super is almost 100 episodes in so by now it should be good scheduled.

Not to intrude on this discussion, but for one, it's not like artists have magically gotten progressively better throughout history as time goes on. Yes, a single artist should theoretically continue to improve, but Super doesn't retain the exact same staff as Z; there's plenty of different artists with different experiences and ability, so just because it's 2017 does it signify that it should be automatically be off with a better start. Otherwise, if you're referring to the ability of drawing programs, then you'd be overestimating that entire aspect a bit. Regardless of the program, it doesn't mean the person drawing gets magically better. They still need to be talented.

Second off, despite the 100 episodes and the help the outsourcing and filler episodes bring in terms of time for the drawing team, that's still nowhere near the schedule of an animated movie. Once again it's unreasonable that a weekly TV show should ever be expected to have the same amount of time put into it that a movie does.

[PMD]

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion.

That movie is 20 years old and Super is almost 100 episodes in so by now it should be good scheduled.

The second statement is wrong, it doesn't work like that, and yet you're still comparing a movie with an episode. All the others things are well explained by MegaBossMan.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I've seen this. It's kind of cool. I take it as an homage. There's a lot of shots that are similar in the entire Keru's transformation and battle scene against Kyabe.

I've never been too much of a fan of the so called "legendary ssj" form. I don't even get it, nor Broly's motives. Such a pointless and random character. Keru's is a cool character, but we need more information about her. Broly was angry because Goku never let him sleep when they were babies. I hope they do something better with Keru.

I can't believe how much better the art is from back then compared to now.

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion, with all due respect. Context.

I personally just meant the style choices in comparison. The movie and Z in general looks adult and super looks...not at all.

[Basaku]

I can't believe how much better the art is from back then compared to now.

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion, with all due respect. Context.

Neither it is a smart idea to directly reference older/better scenes without giving the new version/remake/homage an appropirate budget. That's asking yourselves for negative comparsion in this day and age and meme culture. One would think Toei learnt their lesson after Episode 5 made the rounds worldwide and embarassed the whole production

[Envy]

Broly looks so much better. Does she have lipstick on? Ugh it looks like a bad knockoff.

She does...which makes sense if she had it on before she transformed. It is ugly though.

I think this stems from the fact that Broly's form is very masculine, and doesn't fit Kale at all. So turning Kale into Broly with the lipstick on is very awkward to begin with.

Note: I'm not saying that men can not wear make-up. That's not my point here. lol

[Beyond]

Kale's mouth gets me every time. Hopefully kale fights a large group of people all at once, and she isn't tied down to a single 1v1.

[sintzu]

Neither it is a smart idea to directly reference older/better scenes without giving the new version/remake/homage an appropirate budget.

That's asking yourselves for negative comparsion in this day and age and meme culture.

One would think Toei learnt their lesson after Episode 5 made the rounds worldwide and embarassed the whole production

I think it has more to do with the skills of whoever handled that scene.

The reason they do these kind of refrences is so people will remember the original which will lead them to compare them.

According to Toei, there was nothing wrong with that episode.

[dnavenom]

I`m pretty sure, the DBS staff are having some good fun on our backs. A lot of people, including me, like Brolly because he impersonates unbound power and he has the character to use it. Much like Vegeta in the beginning, but bigger and badder Where does the fun come? Well you take that huge, insane beast of a man with legendary power, incinerating everything, that so much as annoys him and turn him into an insecure, female with uncertain sexuality, aggravated by her mistress paying attention to a boy. Than she transforms into a steroid junkie.

BTW did anyone from TOEI explain the clothes? She has some very stretchy clothes! I really wondered how they managed to survived after this? If this was a male transforming, I`m pretty sure his chest was going be naked in the end, ex:theHULK. That`s why you don`t make a female go too big after transforming!

All said I dislike the concept of Kale from head to toe. It`s worse than the fat sailor moon from universe imo (I forgot the universe )

[Drellz26]

I've seen this. It's kind of cool. I take it as an homage. There's a lot of shots that are similar in the entire Keru's transformation and battle scene against Kyabe.

I've never been too much of a fan of the so called "legendary ssj" form. I don't even get it, nor Broly's motives. Such a pointless and random character. Keru's is a cool character, but we need more information about her. Broly was angry because Goku never let him sleep when they were babies. I hope they do something better with Keru.

I can't believe how much better the art is from back then compared to now.

Comparing a movie quality with an episode of a very bad scheduled anime in terms of production is not a very bright way to start a discussion, with all due respect. Context.

I personally just meant the style choices in comparison. The movie and Z in general looks adult and super looks...not at all.

I have this problem with a lot of shows nowadays so it's hard for me to seperate if I have a Super problem or general problem. I just prefer the "drawn" look to the computerized look so much more

[Chuquita]

Re: traditional vs digital tools

I think some of it has to do with tablet pen settings; you need to go out of your way to adjust settings on the pen to be more sensitive to create varying line thickness, but with a regular pencil or inking pen that comes naturally as you draw. The time it takes to adjust those computer settings is time a lot of animators don't have.

[Asura]

Difference? What difference?

[Makai]

Still hope this isn't the final design she uses in the tournament. The design by Toriyama that was shown in a magazine a while back was so much more better and original. Wish they would've stuck with that instead of just making her some Brody knockoff.

[dbgtFO]

Still hope this isn't the final design she uses in the tournament. The design by Toriyama that was shown in a magazine a while back was so much more better and original. Wish they would've stuck with that instead of just making her some Brody knockoff.

It's weird. She has pupils and while muscular, it isn't over the top roided out like Broly like in her ep 93 design.

Of course even the ep 93 design isn't as roided out as Broly or at least it doesn't seem to be consistently so.
I think the design Toriyama supposedly drew(I don't think it was actually confirmed) is what will be a calmed down version of her LSS and therefore she gets pupils too.

Unless Toei staff just looked at the design and made it a copy of Broly's instead