After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

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After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:00 am

Basically after the Universal Survival arc, or maybe even one more arc after would you like to see Super continue or should TOEI create a new series altogether for entering the EoZ period (which is inevitable now that it seems the 10 year gap is drawing closer to its conclusion)?

Understandably there are people here who will just want the anime to end again and think its being milked for all its worth, but honestly, with the money Super is making and how Kai failed in Japan for retreading old content it is inevitable that we will keep getting new content as opposed to old material repackaged.

I think a new series could be a logical step forward. As Super has had time to redeem itself from early production issues and has had decent arcs since the retellings and almost over 100 episodes by now it has had a good run. And if there will be a new series set after EoZ it would also be less confusing for new viewers than just saying "Super is an interquel but becomes a sequel after the first few arcs".

Conversely I can see issues, such as the need to introduce a new set of Dragon Balls and Dragon to be consistent with each new series doing so, as well as to branch out beyond the 12 universes. Maybe time could be a big part of this sequel series and we learn about some of the destroyed universes, or even new ones could be created, who knows.

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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:37 am

I've made a comment about this in the past so I'll just rephrase myself:

I think making a new series would be a great way to market "new" Dragon Ball content, while at the same time creating a scenario where Dragon Ball Super is series that distinguished itself by take place within a specific time period in the show. I mean, they really couldn't do that after the retelling given that the overreaching nature of BOG and ROF, but mostly BOG, as well the time placement for when Super in-universe began, meant that any future stories set before the ending of the manga would essentially be seen under one umbrella of, "A story after Dragon Ball, but not really after Dragon Ball".

What's unique about GT is that it could be its own story without having to take into consideration of what came before it. Its narrative was completely unrestricted and could go wherever it wanted to go. Having Dragon Ball going into the same region of the narrative that GT, with it's own unique brand, would at the very least give it distinction and would be great way for the franchise to start fresh and for new show to be given a chance to shine under better circumstances. Should they have planned it properly. I mean, the Dragon Ball Room isn't there for shits and giggles. I hope.

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Post by Shinda Forever » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:34 am

It depends of the cast. If it is to do the same crap they did in dbgt and in db super, then, i don't want to see another anime series about db. Furthermore, that would mean that they would continue to add transformation after transformation, that is, more swap colors. I had enough of lazy transformations and only for the saiyajins. The other characters never get any power ups and are left in the dust.

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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:50 am

Let me put it this way, there seems to be a whole lot of negativity surrounding super even when it does things right, super would remain the stories between the 10 year gap up to eoz, where in case toriyama leaves after eoz, would be a good way to keep this tied with the original ending..
A new series would help them sort out animation issues and if Toyotaro is to continue db afterwards, he will start this with a brand new title..

By chance, if they are thinking of going Boruto mode after eoz, then I don't care what happens anymore, just keep that out of my Toriyama contributed story..

In conclusion, I am all for a new series, it gives the option to sort out many things and start fresh
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Post by GreatSaiyaJeff » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:17 am

I would love to see a series after Z of Goku training Uub and have the series slowly have him become of the protagonist. That's just me though.
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Post by omaro34 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:20 am

In my opinion, nah. It wouldn't be in the best interest to keep Dragonball going for the long term future. I constantly worry if Super ends and another series begins with profit being the sole object over preserving the series' legacy than the quality will likely suffer. Quality over quantity any day of the week.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:41 am

I'd say Kai onwards, Dragon Ball already crossed the "all good things should end" line. I still don't want it to become like Pocket Monsters, but the reality is it is becoming more and more like that and the sad thing is it can't even maintain quality like Pocket Monsters.

DBS ending would be beneficial from a production standpoint. They can come back with a series one or two years later with better planning and management of resources.

As for the events, yeah I would like the franchise to get out of its comfort zone and move past the original ending. Also, while I didn't entertain the idea of next generation before, but I think its time to move on. Give Son Gokuu's adventures a rest and move to the next generation. I'd say get rid of the old cast entirely. Form a new cast with new actors and new staff. That would also remove the pressure of finding a replacement for any of the old iconic seiyuus. Give them a perfect retirement from the franchise and move on.

If any of this happens, I'd watch it just to see how the new staff experiments with a entirely new cast and entirely new scenario and everything. I'd watch it for its experimentation value. They can always fuck up, but I would want the franchise to take a step forward and move to new territory rather than playing it safe which they've been doing.
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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Shinda Forever » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:41 am

GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:I would love to see a series after Z of Goku training Uub and have the series slowly have him become of the protagonist. That's just me though.
Unfortunately that will never happen. Uub is 1000 times better than crappy Gohan.

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Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:45 am

Doing drastic changes like I see in this thread would most likely kill the franchise and would never happen anyways. also super is still a new series in pretty much every country besides Japan and if they wanted to make a series with a better a production they could could done that 91 episodes ago.

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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Chuquita » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:57 am

The only benefit for me of having them replace the entire cast of characters would be I could completely cut ties with following the franchise and quit without feeling like I'll be missing anything while gone. I could leave and have one less show to watch over the weekend.

My interest in Super this arc has dropped to the point where it lives and dies with my favorite characters, because the plot isn't doing much for me.

That said I'd still mourn such an outcome, but I wouldn't be upset because there'd be nothing I could do about it. I've already gotten a good amount of fun/exciting/intense moments from Super already.

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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by MKJ » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:14 am

For me the buu saga became the EoZ once Super became a thing. What is referred to as EoZ from my pov does not exist unless they continue in that direction. I believe the EoZ everyone is attached to will most likely still happen, but it will be rewritten through Super's story. Whatever they do I'm cool with it if it is given the attention that it deserves by those that produce it.

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Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:30 am

MKJ wrote:For me the buu saga became the EoZ once Super became a thing. What is referred to as EoZ from my pov does not exist unless they continue in that direction. I believe the EoZ everyone is attached to will most likely still happen, but it will be rewritten through Super's story. Whatever they do I'm cool with it if it is given the attention that it deserves by those that produce it.
This is most likely what will happen. if super was any where near close to about to end then they would have said as so like evey thing does today when it's about to end.

Also every series I know that has done this drastic thing change like I see some people want has failed examples are Street Fighter, Resident Evil,Halo, Devil May Cry, Sonic, Final Fantasy and a bunch of others.

I have never see a rpg fanbase get so mad before in my life until Final Fantasy 13 and everybody shitted on it for being linear and most of all being completely different than every single Final Fantasy before.

Don't know why some people want this to happen when pretty much every the franchise I see have done has completely and utterly failed at.

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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Basaku » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:55 am

Lord Beerus wrote:I've made a comment about this in the past so I'll just rephrase myself:

I think making a new series would be a great way to market "new" Dragon Ball content, while at the same time creating a scenario where Dragon Ball Super is series that distinguished itself by take place within a specific time period in the show. I mean, they really couldn't do that after the retelling given that the overreaching nature of BOG and ROF, but mostly BOG, as well the time placement for when Super in-universe began, meant that any future stories set before the ending of the manga would essentially be seen under one umbrella of, "A story after Dragon Ball, but not really after Dragon Ball".

What's unique about GT is that it could be its own story without having to take into consideration of what came before it. Its narrative was completely unrestricted and could go wherever it wanted to go. Having Dragon Ball going into the same region of the narrative that GT, with it's own unique brand, would at the very least give it distinction and would be great way for the franchise to start fresh and for new show to be given a chance to shine under better circumstances. Should they have planned it properly. I mean, the Dragon Ball Room isn't there for shits and giggles. I hope.
Agree. And it's time to fully & officialy let GT go (on Toei's part as Toriyama probably doesn't give a crap anyway). They can salvage SSJ4 design and repurpouse it in the new series like they did with LSSJ since it proved to be very popoular but otherwise, the series needs to be completly unrestrained once again

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Post by Asura » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:33 pm

No. People think this would a great thing because it would overwrite GT, but I guarantee you if it's the same crew and rushed production schedule on Super as it would be with this new series, people would be seriously debating whether this new series or GT is better.

GT is still popular enough that its characters are featured in every video game, especially Heroes which expands the GT lore and characters a bit more. I hope Dragon Ball dies after Super, and by that I just mean the anime/manga. We'll always have video games and other things like we did before.

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Post by Basaku » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:41 pm

Asura wrote:No. People think this would a great thing because it would overwrite GT, but I guarantee you if it's the same crew and rushed production schedule on Super as it would be with this new series, people would be seriously debating whether this new series or GT is better.

GT is still popular enough that its characters are featured in every video game, especially Heroes which expands the GT lore and characters a bit more. I hope Dragon Ball dies after Super, and by that I just mean the anime/manga. We'll always have video games and other things like we did before.
Doesn't matter, it would still be NEW content. That trumps 20 years-old GT in terms of fan interest and Toei/Bandai profits. Kai/Super stark contrast already proved it

GT characters are featured in every game because games will feature literally anything and the whole narrative of Heroes being some kind of a saviour of DB was overblown too, it's not reflected in financial data from past decade. The only thing that achieved vast increase in the series profits and popularity was brand new animated content in form of movies and Super.

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Basaku wrote:
Asura wrote:No. People think this would a great thing because it would overwrite GT, but I guarantee you if it's the same crew and rushed production schedule on Super as it would be with this new series, people would be seriously debating whether this new series or GT is better.

GT is still popular enough that its characters are featured in every video game, especially Heroes which expands the GT lore and characters a bit more. I hope Dragon Ball dies after Super, and by that I just mean the anime/manga. We'll always have video games and other things like we did before.
Doesn't matter, it would still be NEW content. That trumps 20 years-old GT in terms of fan interest and Toei/Bandai profits. Kai/Super stark contrast already proved it

GT characters are featured in every game because games will feature literally anything and the whole narrative of Heroes being some kind of a saviour of DB was overblown too, it's not reflected in financial data from past decade. The only thing that achieved vast increase in the series profits and popularity was brand new animated content in form of movies and Super.
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Post by Basaku » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:45 pm

Asura wrote:
New content ≠ Good content
Never said it automatically was, but it's far more likely to generate higher profit than old content. And that's what ultimately matters to Toei, Shueisha and Bandai

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Post by Nekis13 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:48 pm

Personally if they go on the "New Generation" route it better be focusing on Pan, Uub, etc. (Maybe have Goku there as the "old master" kind of guy). I don't think a complete reboot with no trace of the old cast will do so well.
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Re: After Super ends would you like to see a new series taking place after EoZ?

Post by Basaku » Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:53 pm

Nekis13 wrote:Personally if they go on the "New Generation" route it better be focusing on Pan, Uub, etc. (Maybe have Goku there as the "old master" kind of guy). I don't think a complete reboot with no trace of the old cast will do so well.
I agree with that. Even relegating Goku/Vegeta to supporting mentor roles is risky for this series. Completely new cast would likely be too offputting for most fans

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Post by DBS916 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:03 pm

Basaku wrote:
Nekis13 wrote:Personally if they go on the "New Generation" route it better be focusing on Pan, Uub, etc. (Maybe have Goku there as the "old master" kind of guy). I don't think a complete reboot with no trace of the old cast will do so well.
I agree with that. Even relegating Goku/Vegeta to supporting mentor roles is risky for this series. Completely new cast would likely be too offputting for most fans
I agree with you both. Goku is synonymous with the Dragon Ball franchise. Putting him in a minor role will unfortunately be met with backlash by fans. If my memory serves me correctly, Akira Toriyama wanted to focus more on Gohan after Goku's honorable death, but fans demanded Goku to be brought back.

Nekis13 has a good idea. Keep Goku in the show but have him as a mentor role like Master Roshi, Popo, and Whis before him. This way we can watch Goku as the teacher, and his pupils will learn from him while we watch them mature as the show progresses.

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