"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Basako]

He said the Mafuba and the thunder shock are useful for the tournament..
It won't kill him if all he does is throw the guy out of the ring

Oh, missed that. Yeah, probably the Mafuba is not as deadly without putting the opponent into a container.

In defense of Ten, the Kikoho should be quite effective to ring out some fighters too, even stronger than him.

[Hellspawn28]

SSj3 Goku use all of his time on Earth because he use so much ki. I feel like most of Freeza's time will be wasted very quickly now thanks to his Golden Form.

[Ki Breaker]

He said the Mafuba and the thunder shock are useful for the tournament..
It won't kill him if all he does is throw the guy out of the ring

Oh, missed that. Yeah, probably the Mafuba is not as deadly without putting the opponent into a container.

In defense of Ten, the Kikoho should be quite effective to ring out some fighters too, even stronger than him.

He can't keep doing that though, his overall potenty to keep going will get reduced by the kikoho..
Same goes for the Mafuba but Roshi has other techniques to not solely rely on it..

Tien seems to be the prime candidate to get ringed out first all things considered

[Basako]

He can't keep doing that though, his overall potenty to keep going will get reduced by the kikoho..
Same goes for the Mafuba but he has other techniques to not solely rely on it..

Tien seems to be the prime candidate to get ringed out first

True, both techniques have limited use. But wait, Ten has other stuff too. He could bring his four arms and start launching Dodonpas everywhere. He has the Tayoken. The Kamehameha. He can split in four. I still think he is a firm candidate to fall first, but he has more than the Kikoho, that's just his best move.

[Ki Breaker]

He can't keep doing that though, his overall potenty to keep going will get reduced by the kikoho..
Same goes for the Mafuba but he has other techniques to not solely rely on it..

Tien seems to be the prime candidate to get ringed out first

True, both techniques have limited use. But wait, Ten has other stuff too. He could bring his four arms and start launching Dodonpas everywhere. He has the Tayoken. The Kamehameha. He can split in four. I still think he is the first candidate to fall first, but he has more than the Kikoho, that's just his best move.

A dodonpa a way keeps the fighters away, but also ensures your own erasure if one of them dies, because that's what the technique is supposed to do, that's out of the question..

Taiyoken is okay and is good enough but if Krillin was shown to have developed 100x taiyoken, the immediate logical reasoning suggests the regular one won't be working as it should for some reason..

4 tiens means 3 more bodies to keep from getting ringed out at the same time when all four are four times weaker than an already low tier fighter..
If even one of those weak bodies go out I would assume that counts as a ring out, they would just spam this shit out of splitting technique otherwise, there will probably be said rule to prevent this from happening..

[Basako]

A dodonpa a way keeps the fighters away, but also ensures your own erasure if one of them dies, because that's what the technique is supposed to do, that's out of the question..

Taiyoken is okay and is good enough but if Krillin was shown to have developed 100x taiyoken, the immediate logical reasoning suggests the regular one won't be working as it should for some reason..

4 tiens means 3 more bodies to keep from getting ringed out at the same time when all four are four times weaker than an already low tier fighter..
If even one of those weak bodies go out I would assume that counts as a ring out, they would just spam this shit out of splitting technique otherwise, there will probably be said rule to prevent this from happening..

Agreed about the four split, that's not a good thing for this tournament.

The Tayoken is his technique, it's just meant to blind and then attack or escape. X100 thing is just bullshit, it's the only technique that didn't need an upgrade, I bet that was filler. Speaking about Krilin, for a useless technique for this tounament we have the Kiezan, because killing is not allowed.

The Dodonpa is not necessarily deadly as the Kiezan. It can weaken the opponents and then he can attack them hand to hand. By the way, don't forget there's always the hand to hand that all of them can do, it's not all about fancy techniques. They are great, but fights are 80% punches and kicks. Ten can bring out two extra arms.

[alakazam^]

It is obvious that if he can feel the divine Ki, he can also feel the normal Ki. What I am saying is that to experience the divine Ki there is a specific training. Even Vegeta, who learned to feel normal Ki alone, needed Whis. Freeza had no idea that he would face someone who possessed this Ki.
For what reason would he simply remember to try to learn? If Frieza says "Judging by the energy I am sensing" then this may refer so much that he is feeling the energy of Goku, as by his own energy, since he said that he had no dimension of his powers

Exactly. He even punched Goku before transforming so to measure his new strength. Why would he do that if he could feel hi, from the get go?

[hexcode99]

It is obvious that if he can feel the divine Ki, he can also feel the normal Ki. What I am saying is that to experience the divine Ki there is a specific training. Even Vegeta, who learned to feel normal Ki alone, needed Whis. Freeza had no idea that he would face someone who possessed this Ki.
For what reason would he simply remember to try to learn? If Frieza says "Judging by the energy I am sensing" then this may refer so much that he is feeling the energy of Goku, as by his own energy, since he said that he had no dimension of his powers

Exactly. He even punched Goku before transforming so to measure his new strength. Why would he do that if he could feel hi, from the get go?

I believe I recall reading that Freeza in his original form (AKA 4th) attacked him because he could not sense Goku's Ki when in his SSB form.
But when Freeza transformed in his Golden form, his power was above Goku's, thus allowing him to sense his Ki.

[Nitori]

Since some people believe the "leaks" to be real based off the recent FujiTV summary, here's a quick rundown on the facts:


The FujiTV summary does not indicate a betrayal by Freeza whatsoever. No matter how much you slice and dice it, nothing in that summary suggests such a thing. It is basic reading comprehension.

— The summary is in line with what we already have in terms of official info - Freeza seems to have no trouble against the assassins and fights them alongside Goku.

— Then in the preview, Sidra personally gets involved; Freeza is clearly shown to be talking through the orb that belongs to the U9 Kaioshin. Freeza's "change of objective" is most likely referring to Sidra's personal involvement out of desperation.

— There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of Quitela either in the preview, as neither Goku nor Freeza say anything suspecious, or in any official info we have so far. There isn't even a shot of Quitela that gives any hints.

— Moreover, as of this episode, Quitela himself flat-out says that he cannot get personally involved in this Freeza situation. Neither he nor Sidra went to U7, and it is only Sidra who is watching the fight. Quitela knows Freeza is dead, and from a different Universe. By Quitela's words alone, stealing Freeza from U7 is off the table.


We can prove the leaks to be demonstrably false judging by the pacing of each episode alone.

— We know for a fact that the ToP starts on ep97. According to the "leaks", Quitela hatches his plan on ep95, meaning Freeza would have to turn by the end of that same episode.

— However, nothing in official info indicates such a thing whatsoever. It is mostly Goku and Freeza fighting assassins, and then Freeza taunting Sidra. Quitela isn't involved at all here.

— Goku would have to find Yamcha on ep96, yet there is nothing, absolutely nothing that indicates another team shake-up. Unconfirmed titles or not, it is a huge, HUGE stretch.

— On top of that, every teammate except Vegeta got a training episode. Freeza killing the assassins is his training episode, as is in line as a member of Team U7. If Yamcha was to be the 10th member, he would have to have an episode dedicated to him, yet this is not the case whatsoever as the ToP starts on ep97.


And this isn't even including the following facts:

— Toshio Yoshitaka, confirmed again, by himself, that "Freeza will be on the same team [as Goku]", and that "tension and fun also increase". You could argue that he might not be credible, but KenXyro specifically asked Toshio if the SPOILERS are real, to which he replied they are lies. He has no reason to lie here.

— Freeza's VA Ryusei Nakao said that "Freeza teams up with Universe 7" when he referred to Freeza and Frost scheming together. So Freeza won't get shafted in favor of Buu waking up or Yamcha.

— We have the image from Toei's website that has been there for months before Buu got the shaft, branded u07_furiiza.

So yes, the spoilers are demonstrably false.

[BlueBasilisk]

The "change of objective" could simply be Frieza deciding to stop messing around with the small fry assassins and seeking out the source.

[Nitori]

The "change of objective" could simply be Frieza deciding to stop messing around with the small fry assassins and seeking out the source.

Exactly what I was thinking as well. Isn't it strange that, in spite of the fact that Quitela offers Sidra cover for the fact that they cannot get personally involved, Sidra decides to get personally involved after all?

I don't read too much into these FujiTV previews, as they tend to sensationalize ordinary events of an episode.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Since some people believe the "leaks" to be real based off the recent FujiTV summary, here's a quick rundown on the facts:


The FujiTV summary does not indicate a betrayal by Freeza whatsoever. No matter how much you slice and dice it, nothing in that summary suggests such a thing. It is basic reading comprehension.

— The summary is in line with what we already have in terms of official info - Freeza seems to have no trouble against the assassins and fights them alongside Goku.

— Then in the preview, Sidra personally gets involved; Freeza is clearly shown to be talking through the orb that belongs to the U9 Kaioshin. Freeza's "change of objective" is most likely referring to Sidra's personal involvement out of desperation.

— There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of Quitela either in the preview, as neither Goku nor Freeza say anything suspecious, or in any official info we have so far. There isn't even a shot of Quitela that gives any hints.

— Moreover, as of this episode, Quitela himself flat-out says that he cannot get personally involved in this Freeza situation. Neither he nor Sidra went to U7, and it is only Sidra who is watching the fight. Quitela knows Freeza is dead, and from a different Universe. By Quitela's words alone, stealing Freeza from U7 is off the table.


We can prove the leaks to be demonstrably false judging by the pacing of each episode alone.

— We know for a fact that the ToP starts on ep97. According to the "leaks", Quitela hatches his plan on ep95, meaning Freeza would have to turn by the end of that same episode.

— However, nothing in official info indicates such a thing whatsoever. It is mostly Goku and Freeza fighting assassins, and then Freeza taunting Sidra. Quitela isn't involved at all here.

— Goku would have to find Yamcha on ep96, yet there is nothing, absolutely nothing that indicates another team shake-up. Unconfirmed titles or not, it is a huge, HUGE stretch.

— On top of that, every teammate except Vegeta got a training episode. Freeza killing the assassins is his training episode, as is in line as a member of Team U7. If Yamcha was to be the 10th member, he would have to have an episode dedicated to him, yet this is not the case whatsoever as the ToP starts on ep97.


And this isn't even including the following facts:

— Toshio Yoshitaka, confirmed again, by himself, that "Freeza will be on the same team [as Goku]", and that "tension and fun also increase". You could argue that he might not be credible, but KenXyro specifically asked Toshio if the SPOILERS are real, to which he replied they are lies. He has no reason to lie here.

— Freeza's VA Ryusei Nakao said that "Freeza teams up with Universe 7" when he referred to Freeza and Frost scheming together. So Freeza won't get shafted in favor of Buu waking up or Yamcha.

— We have the image from Toei's website that has been there for months before Buu got the shaft, branded u07_furiiza.

So yes, the spoilers are demonstrably false.

Wow, great post. Actually everything indicates that Freeza will not betray the 7th Universe, but I have some doubts.

-So you think that Freeza 's goal change refers to Sidra' s participation? Trying to destroy him? But then, Freeza would make Sidra attack him, why?

-Really, Quitela manipulated Sidra precisely so that Universe 4 did not have to be involved and did not risk being destroyed. And even Sidra himself will not get directly involved. According to the synopses, Quitela would demonstrate a secret plan. But his plan has already been revealed and he is sure that Sidra would comply. Freeza has changed his goal has no connection with this since he does not even know who is behind the killers

-I also think there is very little time left for a member exchange to happen. Normally, in DBS this is pretty much expleted.

-Do you have the Tweets in which Toshio says that Freeza will even stay on the same team as Goku? Just so I use as an argument

-I trust Toshio's word. But is it possible that he said that the synopsis of Episode 96 was a lie just so as not to reveal anything?

-I just learned that Ryusei Nakao said that Freeza would plot something with Frost, but there was no video of him talking or something.
Did you see anything more detailed, with it spouting out that Freeza would partner with the 7th Universe team?

-What does ''branded'' on TOEI's website mean?
I just understood the '' Furiza '' and the '' 07 ''

[MainJPW]

Speaking about Krilin, for a useless technique for this tounament we have the Kiezan, because killing is not allowed.

If Kuririn does end up using the Kienzan I would assume he would use it the same way he did on Goku, creating surprise holes in the ground for a ring out.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's honestly quite sad and embarrassing of the fandom how these "leaks" are still being brought up. Especially influential DB tubers still clinging on to them... Like let's ignore the cold hard facts in favour of an anonymous 2ch poster cuz he might have "inside information".... Such inside information he got staff list and episode titles wrong...!

[Nitori]

-So you think that Freeza 's goal change refers to Sidra' s participation? Trying to destroy him? But then, Freeza would make Sidra attack him, why?

The preview answers this. Sidra attacks Freeza since the assassin plot failed. Freeza seems to have no trouble with the assassins, but at some point Sidra gets personally involved as he clearly sends a Ki blast towards Freeza through one of the main assassins. Since most of them are fodder, Freeza would go after the source of these attacks. He is shown to be talking through the U9 orb, so he will know Sidra is behind this.

-Really, Quitela manipulated Sidra precisely so that Universe 4 did not have to be involved and did not risk being destroyed. And even Sidra himself will not get directly involved. According to the synopses, Quitela would demonstrate a secret plan. But his plan has already been revealed and he is sure that Sidra would comply. Freeza has changed his goal has no connection with this since he does not even know who is behind the killers

And it is precisely because he doesn't know that he changes his goal. His previous goal was a simple warm-up by killing the assassins, but now he wants to go after the source. Simple as that.
And according to the "leak" synopsis, Quitela hatches his plan on ep95, which is demonstrably false since Quitela already revealed his plan to be killing Freeza. He has no plans on recruiting him for U4.

-Do you have the Tweets in which Toshio says that Freeza will even stay on the same team as Goku? Just so I use as an argument

Here's the original Japanese text: その部分はとてもこだわりを持って書きました。
フリーザが同じチームにいることで緊張感が増し、面白さも増します。
期待してください！

-I trust Toshio's word. But is it possible that he said that the synopsis of Episode 96 was a lie just so as not to reveal anything?

Again, KenXyro specifically asked him if the SPOILERS were true, not just the summaries. Toshio said they were lies. Though it is possible that he merely said they were lies to cover his tracks, it is unlikely since he was so adamant about this spoiler being fake.

-I just learned that Ryusei Nakao said that Freeza would plot something with Frost, but there was no video of him talking or something.
Did you see anything more detailed, with it spouting out that Freeza would partner with the 7th Universe team?

According to Twitter user @ZeeHallums, the actor said he just finished recording “a Freeza and Frost convo” and that the pair are “apparently scheming together.” A different fan @gravitypriest shared more of the actor’s teasers.

“According to Nakao, Freeza and Frost are going to meet and form a scheme in Super,” the fan wrote. “Nakoa said the thing about how Freeza is teaming up with U7 and the translator refused to translate cause it’s a spoiler.”

-What does ''branded'' on TOEI's website mean?
I just understood the '' Furiza '' and the '' 07 ''

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/ ... uriiza.png

That's the image.

[Noah]

With the current episode being one of the best of Super so far, the next one's premise to be even better and the teaser of the new DB game to be released. I can say It's been a while since the last time I was that excited with the franchise.

[cheddarsword]

I find it rather odd that this entire arc, it's climax built up like none before (in super anyway) is meant to end with a tournament that will likely be what, two episodes? if the tournament is about 40 minutes, that's about the run time for two episodes without intros and credits/previews.

Extending the clock any more beyond that will just end up making it feel like Namek's 5 minutes all over again.

Barring any theories about corruption, interference or any of that, I may have a way to extend this tournament to the length and climactic ending it deserves.

Overtime.

Multiple universes have the same fighter count left at the end. So it now becomes a free for all, last universe standing brawl.

Zeno would be satisfied with nothing less anyway.

[precita]

The tournament is going to be at least 10-15 episodes, probably more.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Since some people believe the "leaks" to be real based off the recent FujiTV summary, here's a quick rundown on the facts:


The FujiTV summary does not indicate a betrayal by Freeza whatsoever. No matter how much you slice and dice it, nothing in that summary suggests such a thing. It is basic reading comprehension.

— The summary is in line with what we already have in terms of official info - Freeza seems to have no trouble against the assassins and fights them alongside Goku.

— Then in the preview, Sidra personally gets involved; Freeza is clearly shown to be talking through the orb that belongs to the U9 Kaioshin. Freeza's "change of objective" is most likely referring to Sidra's personal involvement out of desperation.

— There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of Quitela either in the preview, as neither Goku nor Freeza say anything suspecious, or in any official info we have so far. There isn't even a shot of Quitela that gives any hints.

— Moreover, as of this episode, Quitela himself flat-out says that he cannot get personally involved in this Freeza situation. Neither he nor Sidra went to U7, and it is only Sidra who is watching the fight. Quitela knows Freeza is dead, and from a different Universe. By Quitela's words alone, stealing Freeza from U7 is off the table.


We can prove the leaks to be demonstrably false judging by the pacing of each episode alone.

— We know for a fact that the ToP starts on ep97. According to the "leaks", Quitela hatches his plan on ep95, meaning Freeza would have to turn by the end of that same episode.

— However, nothing in official info indicates such a thing whatsoever. It is mostly Goku and Freeza fighting assassins, and then Freeza taunting Sidra. Quitela isn't involved at all here.

— Goku would have to find Yamcha on ep96, yet there is nothing, absolutely nothing that indicates another team shake-up. Unconfirmed titles or not, it is a huge, HUGE stretch.

— On top of that, every teammate except Vegeta got a training episode. Freeza killing the assassins is his training episode, as is in line as a member of Team U7. If Yamcha was to be the 10th member, he would have to have an episode dedicated to him, yet this is not the case whatsoever as the ToP starts on ep97.


And this isn't even including the following facts:

— Toshio Yoshitaka, confirmed again, by himself, that "Freeza will be on the same team [as Goku]", and that "tension and fun also increase". You could argue that he might not be credible, but KenXyro specifically asked Toshio if the SPOILERS are real, to which he replied they are lies. He has no reason to lie here.

— Freeza's VA Ryusei Nakao said that "Freeza teams up with Universe 7" when he referred to Freeza and Frost scheming together. So Freeza won't get shafted in favor of Buu waking up or Yamcha.

— We have the image from Toei's website that has been there for months before Buu got the shaft, branded u07_furiiza.

So yes, the spoilers are demonstrably false.

Unless he is erased by Zeno for interfering, you can add the fact I doubt Sidra would allow U9 to cheat thus giving himself lesser odds.

Also as a side note...I dont see how using dead fighters is even cheating. Every universe has dead fighters and the same ability, plus the dead also risk being erased.

I dont understand the people who keep saying this. Its not even 1/1000 as cheap as what the mechanical universe is doing.

[Noah]

The tournament is going to be at least 10-15 episodes, probably more.

Well this arc could be easily be separated in two: the recruitment part and the actual Tournament. I think it actually will be split in three with the third part being the aftermath of the tournament and its consenquences.

I predict 40 episodes in the total.