DBS writer confirms Roshi isn't explicitly stronger than Tien.

[Saturnine]

That person is an incompetent writer, 'nuff said.

The person who wrote episode 89 is the incompetent one.

Roshi just confirmed is episode 94 he still cant fly!!! Which means his his power in 89 was not his. Case fucking closed!

Oh, so he flew in 89? I can't quite remember that to be honest

[JulianStyles]

That person is an incompetent writer, 'nuff said.

The person who wrote episode 89 is the incompetent one.

Roshi just confirmed is episode 94 he still cant fly!!! Which means his his power in 89 was not his. Case fucking closed!

Oh, so he flew in 89? I can't quite remember that to be honest

https://youtu.be/to37sjMDarc

Hes clearly is flying to start the battle. More evidence that Roshis power was increased by witch craft. Tien straight up clocks him in the face twice and nothing. You can examine Tiens students. They went from having no ki to flying, and resisting ki blast from Choutzu. Its a badly written/directed episode.

[Saturnine]

Oh, you mean that mindless, vampirelike levitation? Not exactly flying.

Doesn't mean I don't agree with Roshi being strengthened by the magic, but it's not really legit flight.

[LowRyder2005]

Crap writer got called out on the internet. What's melodromatic is writing an essay to frame this as some bullying sob story.

This is an absolutely ridiculous response. Of course people are entitled to their opinions, and to express them in an interesting way, even if that means they disagree with them and have extensive criticism.

However, no-one deserves personal attacks of that caliber over some strength stuff in a Saturday morning children's cartoon.

Good on him for not tolerating it. Likewise, we're not going to tolerate it here. If you have something worth saying/analyzing/criticizing, we would hope you have the capacity to express it well. If you don't? Well, it probably wasn't worth saying in the first place, and Kanzenshuu isn't the place for you.

Is that person entitled to kindness or civility from complete strangers on a format that doesn't enforce it? No one in real life is entitled to never being insulted.

To answer the first part your question - if there was ever any need: yes, fortunately enough, everyone is entitled to "civilty" in every society which defines itself as civil regardless of the format. In real life, that is.

Unless, hypothetically, we had a specific format that forbade or didn't acknowledge insults as a bad thing it and the indivualds agreed to the format's terms. Which obviously isn't the case for Twitter, still, as I'm pretty sure that kind of behavior violates its TOS.
It's honestly a little frightening if you're willing to justify verbal violence when "you feel" it's deserved; it's also worth reminding everyone again that we're talking about death treats received over some plot direction in a children's cartoon. If you don't rationalize it as cyber-bullying I have no clue on what your mileage would be.

Honestly? It was pretty clear that yours was a "gut response". No need to reach to extreme justifications or generalizations about "society" just because you reasonably got called out on it. Like you, many, many people found the #17 episode poorly written and it's understandable that you may a hard time sympathizing with the writer afterwards; it still doesn't mean it's justified to indulge in behavior like harassing the person in question. In short, you may be free to call him an idiot because of your perception of what "art" should be; he, however, is free not to tolerate it. Name-calling, also, usually helps way, way less than constructive and more friendly criticism.

[blackbewhite2k7]

https://twitter.com/toshio916/status/861361570013511683

Just like most people suspected...Roshi was powered up by Yurin's witchcraft.

You were like, "Unless it made Roshi millions of times stronger..."

It was explained in the episode that Roshi became far stronger than he was in Dragon Ball through training, and that his full power was actually quite impressive by human standards, according to Goku. So if you think Roshi is only at his Dragon Ball level, it's your fault for not paying attention.

You are aware none of these tweets were mine, right?

It's been clear since the Resurrection arc that he's stronger then he was in Dragon Ball, but skyrocketing past any of the formal z fighters like Tenshinhan is (too put it lightly) ridiculous, hence Toshio's answer makes the most sense.

You guys do realize that the Japanese are usually vague, and say things like "I think" and "probably" and "perhaps" a lot, right? It's a formality inherent to their language that doesn't directly translate.

Also episode 94 flat out confirmed that the Thunder shock surprise is a disabling move meant to even out the odds, when he used it effectively against yet ANOTHER character who's outranked Roshi by a lot since the Saiyan arc.

[Blackstripe]

Also episode 94 flat out confirmed that the Thunder shock surprise is a disabling move meant to even out the odds, when he used it effectively against yet ANOTHER character who's outranked Roshi by a lot since the Saiyan arc.

You seriously think Yajirobi is still stronger than Roshi?

[blackbewhite2k7]

Also episode 94 flat out confirmed that the Thunder shock surprise is a disabling move meant to even out the odds, when he used it effectively against yet ANOTHER character who's outranked Roshi by a lot since the Saiyan arc.

You seriously think Yajirobi is still stronger than Roshi?

If you were to judge, solely from everything we've seen since before ressurection f movie, manga or arc, then yes. He was one of the few guys chosen to train with Korin. If Roshi has been training all this time, in secret, who's to say Yajirobe hasn't? (both characters were portrayed as equally laid back, and not focused on training back since Z started.)

[Blackstripe]

If you were to judge, solely from everything we've seen since before ressurection f movie, manga or arc, then yes. He was one of the few guys chosen to train with Korin. If Roshi has been training all this time, in secret, who's to say Yajirobe hasn't? (both characters were portrayed as equally laid back, and not focused on training back since Z started.)

And why would you judge ssolely from everything before Resurrection of F, when everything since then has pointed to the opposite? We know Roshi has been training. It has been stated as fact. We don't know if Yajirobe has been, making it nothing but speculation. Therefore, it's far more reasonable to assume Roshi is stronger.

[perucho1990]

That person is an incompetent writer, 'nuff said.

Toshio wrote episode 94. Yoshifumi Fukushima is the one that wrote the Yurin episode, and also the one that wrote Piccolo being killed in the FnF arc, the dumb Copy Vegeta Arc, the recap episode, the fillers pre FnF Arc.

[blackbewhite2k7]

That person is an incompetent writer, 'nuff said.

Toshio wrote episode 94. Yoshifumi Fukushima is the one that wrote the Yurin episode, and also the one that wrote Piccolo being killed in the FnF arc, the dumb Copy Vegeta Arc, the recap episode, the fillers pre FnF Arc.

Wow, now THAT'S one hell of a resume. lol

[Lord Beerus]

That person is an incompetent writer, 'nuff said.

Toshio wrote episode 94. Yoshifumi Fukushima is the one that wrote the Yurin episode, and also the one that wrote Piccolo being killed in the FnF arc, the dumb Copy Vegeta Arc, the recap episode, the fillers pre FnF Arc.

Wow, now THAT'S one hell of a resume. lol

Hey! I liked the pre-ROF arc episodes. I especially loved episode 16. That shit was hilarious.

[Saturnine]

Copy Vegeta... that explains why he made base Vegeta stronger than SSj3 Gotenks. Guess he didn't get the memo that they were doing away with the extremely overpowered base forms

Ironically, it was at least consistent with RoF, unlike practically everything else.