"Dragon Ball FighterZ" Official Discussion Thread

[omegalucas]

My only complaint so far is how they gave a random color outfit to Goku as second option:[spoiler][/spoiler]
It's okay for Buu, but for characters like Goku/Vegeta/Gohan they have other official outfits they can choose as alternative costume, instead of applying a random color scheme to the same outfit.

I think that's his fourth outfit. We never got to see 2 and 3. I'm hoping for at least manga colors there for the characters that have differences between those and the anime colors (at least Goku [sorta], Gohan and Cell).
Anyway, my only gripe is the wrongly placed symbol. It's really strange they animated Goku mainly for a 2nd player point of view (the hair and symbol are reversed when he is on the left/1st player). Easily avoidable if they just had his main outfit from Z (basically this one without the symbol) instead of his BoG/Super's. So, we can forget Kahseral

[Quebaz]

ArcSys' method of developing characters is so ridiculous that the resources of making a full alternate costumes may as well be spent on making a full character, it's the hole they got themselves into. Expect a shit ton of alternate colors full of references to characters not present on the roster and stuff like that though.

[sophitia]

Making alt skin/costume for these games equals making a whole new character. That's why the didn't do it for GG Xrd characters (expect for Elphet).

All the gameplay shown so far is awesome. Day 1 for sure.

[TheNamekGio]

I haven't posted on here for a while, but seeing the reveal trailer for this game has taken me out of slumber. The Last Dragon Ball game that I've played was super Dragon Ball Z for PS2. Finally a competitive Fighter by the makers of Guilty Gear.... our prayers have been answered!!!

[THEGOKU]

Ssj Rose Black would be phenomenal in this game just from the fighting style to the moves and hell his intro would even be amazing. I'm all for this game. And from what it seems like the transformations last throughout the fight which is awesome. I think this team knows exactly what they are doing. Dragonball never died, it was just sleeping waiting for the right time to shine again.

[Innagadadavida]

Oh my GOD GUYS! I am so pumped for this game. The graphics look GORGEOUS and the gameplay looks fast and exciting. I can not wait to get my hands on this game. I hope that we'll get human characters like Tenshinhan and Yamcha. I'd also like to see some classic Dragon Ball characters like King Piccolo and Young Goku. I'm going to keep a close eye on this game. I never knew I wanted something like this until I saw it. I LOVE being taken by surprise like that. We're so lucky to have so many great Dragon Ball games. This looks like a great return to the classic 2D style fighting that Dragon Ball games rarely go back to these days. I'm going to have to brush up on my fighting game skills because I want to compete with some of you guys. Who all is getting it on Steam? I have a PS4 but Steam is just so convenient since I'm on the computer more than I am near the TV. I'm also so happy that Dragon Ball games are getting proper PC ports.

[EA575]

Mechanics breakdown based on the gameplay footage we've gotten.
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Wow, this is a very good breakdown of the gameplay mechanics! I didn't realize how fighting the next character was KoF-like.

[KorgDTR2000]

ArcSys' method of developing characters is so ridiculous that the resources of making a full alternate costumes may as well be spent on making a full character, it's the hole they got themselves into. Expect a shit ton of alternate colors full of references to characters not present on the roster and stuff like that though.

If that's the price we have to pay for such awesome looking characters then that's fine with me.

Still wish his gi didn't have any kanji on it though. Especially since it gets mirrored.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Day one for that casual blood, if they show up.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Some people are actually having problems with it being a competitive fighter?

...How the fuck is that even a bad thing??

The last Dragon Ball game that was close to being competitive was Super Dragon Ball Z... and that came out over 10 fucking years ago. Good lord this fan base sometimes. So hard to please.

Honestly, I think a lot of people are right in saying that people from a different crowd are mainly the ones making blanket statements about this game. For me, I see this a game mainly being marketed toward the Budokai, Burst Limit, and Super DBZ players. Not the Tenkaichi or Raging Blast ones.

I honestly think people got way too used to that one format of games for too long, that and yes mainly casual players who had the majority vote for a long time (as Namco was very reluctant to even touch 2D angles again due to them and the cultural shift from BT3's popularity). People seem to either be uninformed (as Raging blast 3 isn't going to happen, regardless of that Facebook project suggestion) and that people just got too intoxicated on having a large roster due to BT3, thats all they expect now to be a priority or else. That, and the people who have a camera prejudice just because you can't freely-fly to their simulator experience in a sandbox as opposed to direct combat.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Amazing graphics! Gameplay looks good as well. I hope it covers at least up to the Future Trunks arc of Super.

[batistabus]

Wait a minute.

If DBF is featured at EVO 2018

does that make it

Dragon Ball Evolution?




Also, I am very pleased with the gameplay we've seen so far. If you have Amazon Prime, you can preorder the game for $50 (down from $60).

[Big Black Sayian]

The control scheme .
https://twitter.com/thisislijoe/status/ ... 9854963714

[Saiga]

The gameplay looks amazing, the graphics are also so good!

This confirms Golden Freeza as a transformation and SS3 Goku as an Ultimate (unless he shows up in another way, like alternate Ultimates).

The lack of any modifier for Gohan makes me suspect SS2 Gohan is the only version of Gohan we will get in the game - if it means we only have 1 version of every character in the game, that's fine. I'd prefer Ultimate Gohan but understand SS2 Gohan is a smarter move marketing wise. The fact that ArcSys apparently don't do alternate costumes has me a bit worried we might have character slots eating up by SSB Goku/Vegeta and maybe even SSG Goku - like Extreme Butoden's weird roster choices.

What is it about their process that makes alternate costumes akin to making an entire character? How is this different to other fighters?

[sangofe]

Shame that out of this 24 character roster, 3 of the character slots will be reserved for SSG Goku SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta

Where do you got the number 24 characters from?

[Rinsankajugin]

Alright y'all, Dragon Ball FighterZ looks fucking amazing, but remember, this game is ASW's 4th foray into Dragon Ball. If you want to know who might make it into this game's roster, y'all should probably remember the rosters of their previous DB-related games...

Supersonic Warriors
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  Ultimate Gohan
  Piccolo
  Kamiccolo (Base, w/ Kami)
  True Piccolo (Base, w/ Demon King Piccolo)
  Krillin
  Kaioken Krillin (Base, Kaioken)
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  Majin Vegeta
  SSJ Future Trunks
  Ginyu
  Frieza
  Mecha Frieza
  18
  Dr. Gero
  Perfect Cell
  Majin Buu
  Super Buu
  SSJ3 Gotenks

[/spoiler]

Supersonic Warriors 2 (not including assists)
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku (SSJ, SSJ3)
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  Majin Vegeta
  Teen Gohan (Base, SSJ)
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  Gohan (Base, SSJ, Ultimate)
  Piccolo
  Krillin (Base, Unlock Potential)
  Future Trunks
  SSJ Future Trunks (SSJ, Ultra SSJ)
  Ginyu (Base, Goku)
  Frieza (Final Form, Full Power)
  Mecha Frieza
  Dr. Gero
  Semi-Perfect Cell
  Perfect Cell
  Gotenks (Base, SSJ)
  SSJ3 Gotenks
  Majin Buu
  Super Buu
  Cooler (Final Form, Further Form)
  Meta-Cooler
  Broly

[/spoiler]

Extreme Butoden (not including assists)
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku (SSJ, SSJ3)
  SSJG Goku (SSJG, Godly SSJ)
  SSJB Goku
  Teen Gohan
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  SSJ Gohan
  Ultimate Gohan
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  SSJ Future Trunks
  Piccolo
  Krillin
  Raditz
  Nappa
  Ginyu
  Frieza
  18
  Perfect Cell
  Majin Buu
  Kid Buu
  SSJ Gotenks (SSJ, SSJ3)
  Beerus
  Bardock (Base, SSJ)
  Broly

[/spoiler]

Surely what-if forms like Kaioken Krillin probably wont make it, but there's a good chance a majority of the characters listed above who have been in all 3 previous games will make it into DBFZ. Out of all of their DB games so-far, 15 characters in specific have been playable:

• Goku
• SSJ Goku (Confirmed)
• SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Confirmed)
• Ultimate Gohan
• Vegeta
• SSJ Vegeta (Confirmed)
• SSJ Future Trunks
• Piccolo
• Krillin
• Ginyu
• Frieza (Confirmed)
• 18
• Perfect Cell (Confirmed)
• Majin Buu (Confirmed)
• Gotenks

Expect these characters in particular to appear.

[cringey]

It IS a transformation. You can transform in the middle of the battle and play as Golden Freeza as long the transformation goes. He will return to his final form after a while, like saiyans in the first Xenoverse

I didn't say that it wasn't a transformation, but that the transformation could be his ultimate which makes him unique, maybe it gives him some extra tools while he's using it.

I don't think that everyone will have the ability to transform in the middle of the battle.

What is it about their process that makes alternate costumes akin to making an entire character? How is this different to other fighters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E

[Ajay]

What is it about their process that makes alternate costumes akin to making an entire character? How is this different to other fighters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E

For a TL;DW version:

In games like Xenoverse and whatnot, the lighting is dynamic to reflect the environment and the fact you move around it in 3D space. You can place any model in there and they'll be lit appropriately. However, the downside is that it'll look like a lit 3D model, rather than retaining any true anime aesthetic.

What makes Arc System Works' method so interesting is that they manually apply every single character's lighting and shading, which allows them to create that 2D look so well. Because it's a fixed perspective, and any deviations away from it are controlled, they can get away with this trickery.

This means that there's a huge amount of manual effort involved for each individual character. You can't just swap out costumes because the highlights and shadows aren't truly determined by physical lights in the scene - nothing's generated. If you change anything shape-wise, you have to manually redo all of the lighting again for that outfit, which is essentially like doing a whole new character. Changing the colours of textures doesn't affect this, which is why they've gone that route.

[cheddarsword]

Alright y'all, Dragon Ball FighterZ looks fucking amazing, but remember, this game is ASW's 4th foray into Dragon Ball. If you want to know who might make it into this game's roster, y'all should probably remember the rosters of their previous DB-related games...

Supersonic Warriors
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  Ultimate Gohan
  Piccolo
  Kamiccolo (Base, w/ Kami)
  True Piccolo (Base, w/ Demon King Piccolo)
  Krillin
  Kaioken Krillin (Base, Kaioken)
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  Majin Vegeta
  SSJ Future Trunks
  Ginyu
  Frieza
  Mecha Frieza
  18
  Dr. Gero
  Perfect Cell
  Majin Buu
  Super Buu
  SSJ3 Gotenks

[/spoiler]

Supersonic Warriors 2 (not including assists)
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku (SSJ, SSJ3)
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  Majin Vegeta
  Teen Gohan (Base, SSJ)
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  Gohan (Base, SSJ, Ultimate)
  Piccolo
  Krillin (Base, Unlock Potential)
  Future Trunks
  SSJ Future Trunks (SSJ, Ultra SSJ)
  Ginyu (Base, Goku)
  Frieza (Final Form, Full Power)
  Mecha Frieza
  Dr. Gero
  Semi-Perfect Cell
  Perfect Cell
  Gotenks (Base, SSJ)
  SSJ3 Gotenks
  Majin Buu
  Super Buu
  Cooler (Final Form, Further Form)
  Meta-Cooler
  Broly

[/spoiler]

Extreme Butoden (not including assists)
[spoiler]

• Goku (Base, Kaioken)
  SSJ Goku (SSJ, SSJ3)
  SSJG Goku (SSJG, Godly SSJ)
  SSJB Goku
  Teen Gohan
  SSJ2 Teen Gohan
  SSJ Gohan
  Ultimate Gohan
  Vegeta
  SSJ Vegeta
  SSJ Future Trunks
  Piccolo
  Krillin
  Raditz
  Nappa
  Ginyu
  Frieza
  18
  Perfect Cell
  Majin Buu
  Kid Buu
  SSJ Gotenks (SSJ, SSJ3)
  Beerus
  Bardock (Base, SSJ)
  Broly

[/spoiler]

Surely what-if forms like Kaioken Krillin probably wont make it, but there's a good chance a majority of the characters listed above who have been in all 3 previous games will make it into DBFZ. Out of all of their DB games so-far, 15 characters in specific have been playable:

• Goku
• SSJ Goku (Confirmed)
• SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Confirmed)
• Ultimate Gohan
• Vegeta
• SSJ Vegeta (Confirmed)
• SSJ Future Trunks
• Piccolo
• Krillin
• Ginyu
• Frieza (Confirmed)
• 18
• Perfect Cell (Confirmed)
• Majin Buu (Confirmed)
• Gotenks

Expect these characters in particular to appear.

From what i heard, they only did the artwork for those games and this is their first time actually making the game themselves. This would explain why it looks like a real fighting game this time. Even more than the Butoden games.

[TL18]

The more I read about alt colors, the more it makes me think that SSG will just be an alt where as Blue being a separate character. I only say this because, like someone said before me, SSG hasn't really had much spotlight after the movie/Arc. It was kind of a one and done thing. I don't think it's gonna get much love in this game.

but I could be wrong and they have him as a separate character and I have to eat my own words again.

Either way, I'm still getting this game regardless if SSG is or not

[Bullza]

They should have all the characters based on Dragon Ball Super.

If they'd then had a Story mode that covered the first four sagas of the series, I'd probably get it.