Frieza VS Buu - Who Is Better For The ToP (from a VIEWER perspective)

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Post by Majin Jator » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:28 am

I think this is a kind of a false dychotomy. The inclusion of one of them doesn't exclude the other, specially when we have Mutensroshi, a character that no one expected to see fighting (and whose inclusion doesn't make that much sense in-universe), and Tenshinhan, a cardboarded character that won't bring anything interesting as far as character interactions goes, and isn't exactly a MVP neither.

Buu interacting more with the rest of the cast, and annoying Freeza and C17 for the first time would be something worth watching.

But to answer the OP original question...Not sure. Buu would bring some awesome weirdness when it comes to animation, and his healing abilities would give an edge to team U7. The reactions from opponents when first meeting Buu are usually fun too, reminiscent of Arale and early Goku, with him first being underestimated for his childish behaviour, before he freak them out with his feats of strengt and beat them playfully.

Objectively, thou, I reckon Freeza brings a more interesting character dynamic, but I personally suffer from a "Freeza fatigue", after "Resurrection of F", and Frost (who is eclipsed now), and never was a big fan of the evil emperor to begin with.

But really, both of them in the team would have been great.

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Post by Smilodon » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:58 am

Shinda Forever wrote:
Smilodon wrote:Boo could heal any fighter from U7;
Boo also can absorb someone from other universe and get stronger...And maybe absorb more than one;
Boo can do magic;
Boo is basically stronger than Freeza, and I think he could get stronger than Golden Freeza if he trains;
Boo can learn techniques instantly;
Boo can do the shunkan idou;
And his staminna is almost infinite.

Freeza can't sense ki;
Freeza doesn't have any special technique. He only has power.
Freeza can survive in vacum, but Boo can as well.
Boo can´t do the shunkan idou;
Boo can´t learn techniques instantly just because, he learned Kamehameha, even Tenshinhan learned kamehameha. And his stamina is not almost infinite. He was destroyed by Beerus in seconds. Golden Frieza is stronger than ssj blue.
Kid boo did the shunkan idou when he was destroying everything. Fat boo is the same creature, just without the evil part...If kid boo were inside Fat Boo in past, it's sure he also can do the same techniques.

Boo also learned Vegeta's tecnhiques while fighting against him...He showed against Goku SSJ3 and Goku said that he was a genious.

Everything we saw from Beerus we can't compare. Piccolo was knocked out by a hashi, Gotenks lost his fusion by tapping in the ass, even Goku SSJ3 was knocked out by a finger...But Boo was the only one who came back to fight against Beerus.
Of course Golden Freeza is way stronger than Boo...But Boo is really much stronger in his base than Freeza. They just wanted to make Freeza stronger again. And this is the only thing Freeza is better than Boo now.
But, if Freeza could become that strong, Boo also can too.
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Post by Kastex » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:01 am

SirTorra wrote:I would have been 100x more badass if buu and frieza were in the same team. The interaction between them would have been more interesting for 2 reasons.
1. We've never had 2 of the original 3 villains in the same team( in canon)
2. Frieza has knowledge of buu from his father. He showed a great deal of respect to beerus and he'll likely do the same to buu. Those 2, frieza was told to avoid.
As far as the OP question, buu is the better pick. Much more versatile and reliable. Frieza is pure ruthless power and this saga so far has put more focus on techniques and skill than power.
lol i don't know about that. i guess it depends entirely on what you mean when you say "original" villains. tien used to be a villain, vegeta used to be a villain, 17 and 18 used to be villains, and piccolo used to be a villain.

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Post by Shinda Forever » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:24 am

Smilodon wrote:
Shinda Forever wrote:
Smilodon wrote:Boo could heal any fighter from U7;
Boo also can absorb someone from other universe and get stronger...And maybe absorb more than one;
Boo can do magic;
Boo is basically stronger than Freeza, and I think he could get stronger than Golden Freeza if he trains;
Boo can learn techniques instantly;
Boo can do the shunkan idou;
And his staminna is almost infinite.

Freeza can't sense ki;
Freeza doesn't have any special technique. He only has power.
Freeza can survive in vacum, but Boo can as well.
Boo can´t do the shunkan idou;
Boo can´t learn techniques instantly just because, he learned Kamehameha, even Tenshinhan learned kamehameha. And his stamina is not almost infinite. He was destroyed by Beerus in seconds. Golden Frieza is stronger than ssj blue.
Kid boo did the shunkan idou when he was destroying everything. Fat boo is the same creature, just without the evil part...If kid boo were inside Fat Boo in past, it's sure he also can do the same techniques.

Boo also learned Vegeta's tecnhiques while fighting against him...He showed against Goku SSJ3 and Goku said that he was a genious.

Everything we saw from Beerus we can't compare. Piccolo was knocked out by a hashi, Gotenks lost his fusion by tapping in the ass, even Goku SSJ3 was knocked out by a finger...But Boo was the only one who came back to fight against Beerus.
Of course Golden Freeza is way stronger than Boo...But Boo is really much stronger in his base than Freeza. They just wanted to make Freeza stronger again. And this is the only thing Freeza is better than Boo now.
But, if Freeza could become that strong, Boo also can too.
If fat Buu can do everything Kid buu did, why the hell he never used it? He took a beating from kid Buu without using shunkan idou a single time.
Fat Buu also never showed that he could use those techniques against Basil. Another missed opportunity?

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Post by blackbewhite2k7 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:02 pm

GodKaio-Ken wrote:
blackbewhite2k7 wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:
Aside from Goku, Bulma and Roshi hes really the only one who has been there through thick and thin from the start.

Id say Krillin is far stronger than Tien (whose only feats are anime only) or Roshi which is why I personally left him off.

Others might not feel the same its cool.
>"...Tien (whose only feats are anime only)"

http://z3.ifrm.com/29/164/0/p9869/11_Ti ... aman_5.jpg

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https://twitter.com/kanzenshuu/status/8 ... 8353369092

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http://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/dra ... _10.jpg?v5

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dr ... 0426065330

LOL. This took seconds to prove wrong.
None of those are feats. Also please put me on ignore and dont reply to me. I dislike you greatly and have for a while now...Your opinion literally is worthless to me
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Post by dragon boss z » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:05 pm

TheMikado wrote:I absolutely hate hate hate Frieza. He's literally the worst villain for me across multiple genres. So Freeza's return has it me in Hell right now. I have no problem admitting I can barely watch he show when hes on screen. I refused to watch RoF in its entirety, I barely watched the RoF arc, and I struggled through the Frieza fight. SSJ was literally the saving grace of the series for me and my most hated scenes in GT are when Goku faced Frieza.

Ironically Cooler is one of my favorite Villians.
Let me guess, you were watching the Z dub. There are many people who hated Frieza because of that performance that like him now.

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Post by blackbewhite2k7 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:15 pm

GreatSaiyaJeff wrote:Also don't forget Tien did win a tournament and defeated Tao Pai, so he has some merit to him before Z.
Also, beat Yamcha prior to that when he started fighting seriously.

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Post by buutenks » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:18 pm

Well, TBH, Mr Buu would have been boring, with Freeza u got more interesting interactions. However, i hope they dont ruin it by making Freeza soft, i want him to back stab Goku. I really dont want Freeza turning a new leaf, he should stay evil and stay dead after ToP(atleast until he is needed again).

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Post by SirTorra » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:38 pm

Kastex wrote:
SirTorra wrote:I would have been 100x more badass if buu and frieza were in the same team. The interaction between them would have been more interesting for 2 reasons.
1. We've never had 2 of the original 3 villains in the same team( in canon)
2. Frieza has knowledge of buu from his father. He showed a great deal of respect to beerus and he'll likely do the same to buu. Those 2, frieza was told to avoid.
As far as the OP question, buu is the better pick. Much more versatile and reliable. Frieza is pure ruthless power and this saga so far has put more focus on techniques and skill than power.
lol i don't know about that. i guess it depends entirely on what you mean when you say "original" villains. tien used to be a villain, vegeta used to be a villain, 17 and 18 used to be villains, and piccolo used to be a villain.
I mean the three most popular villains. The ones that help define Z. Frieza Cell and Buu have never interacted with each other and seeing any of the two in the same team would be better than just frieza or buu w/the rest.

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Post by Shinda Forever » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:42 pm

SirTorra wrote:
Kastex wrote:
SirTorra wrote:I would have been 100x more badass if buu and frieza were in the same team. The interaction between them would have been more interesting for 2 reasons.
1. We've never had 2 of the original 3 villains in the same team( in canon)
2. Frieza has knowledge of buu from his father. He showed a great deal of respect to beerus and he'll likely do the same to buu. Those 2, frieza was told to avoid.
As far as the OP question, buu is the better pick. Much more versatile and reliable. Frieza is pure ruthless power and this saga so far has put more focus on techniques and skill than power.
lol i don't know about that. i guess it depends entirely on what you mean when you say "original" villains. tien used to be a villain, vegeta used to be a villain, 17 and 18 used to be villains, and piccolo used to be a villain.
I mean the three most popular villains. The ones that help define Z. Frieza Cell and Buu have never interacted with each other and seeing any of the two in the same team would be better than just frieza or buu w/the rest.
Majin Buu won't be there because, Toriyama prefers Roshi.

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Post by Smilodon » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:56 pm

Shinda Forever wrote:
Smilodon wrote: Kid boo did the shunkan idou when he was destroying everything. Fat boo is the same creature, just without the evil part...If kid boo were inside Fat Boo in past, it's sure he also can do the same techniques.

Boo also learned Vegeta's tecnhiques while fighting against him...He showed against Goku SSJ3 and Goku said that he was a genious.

Everything we saw from Beerus we can't compare. Piccolo was knocked out by a hashi, Gotenks lost his fusion by tapping in the ass, even Goku SSJ3 was knocked out by a finger...But Boo was the only one who came back to fight against Beerus.
Of course Golden Freeza is way stronger than Boo...But Boo is really much stronger in his base than Freeza. They just wanted to make Freeza stronger again. And this is the only thing Freeza is better than Boo now.
But, if Freeza could become that strong, Boo also can too.
If fat Buu can do everything Kid buu did, why the hell he never used it? He took a beating from kid Buu without using shunkan idou a single time.
Fat Buu also never showed that he could use those techniques against Basil. Another missed opportunity?
Kid Boo just used the shunkan idou to go to another planets...In fight they didn't use...Probably it's not that important for him to use.
Cell said he could use Kaioken or Genki Dama, but he never used...Even when he was dominated by Gohan.

But my question is...Freeza doesn't have any technique! Only that kind of Kienzan!
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Post by Shinda Forever » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:07 pm

Smilodon wrote:
Shinda Forever wrote:
Smilodon wrote: Kid boo did the shunkan idou when he was destroying everything. Fat boo is the same creature, just without the evil part...If kid boo were inside Fat Boo in past, it's sure he also can do the same techniques.

Boo also learned Vegeta's tecnhiques while fighting against him...He showed against Goku SSJ3 and Goku said that he was a genious.

Everything we saw from Beerus we can't compare. Piccolo was knocked out by a hashi, Gotenks lost his fusion by tapping in the ass, even Goku SSJ3 was knocked out by a finger...But Boo was the only one who came back to fight against Beerus.
Of course Golden Freeza is way stronger than Boo...But Boo is really much stronger in his base than Freeza. They just wanted to make Freeza stronger again. And this is the only thing Freeza is better than Boo now.
But, if Freeza could become that strong, Boo also can too.
If fat Buu can do everything Kid buu did, why the hell he never used it? He took a beating from kid Buu without using shunkan idou a single time.
Fat Buu also never showed that he could use those techniques against Basil. Another missed opportunity?
Kid Boo just used the shunkan idou to go to another planets...In fight they didn't use...Probably it's not that important for him to use.
Cell said he could use Kaioken or Genki Dama, but he never used...Even when he was dominated by Gohan.

But my question is...Freeza doesn't have any technique! Only that kind of Kienzan!
It is odd that he never used it and are you sure that Cell said that he could use Kaioken? I don't remember to read that in the manga.
Frieza has other techniques like Emperor's Death Beam, Death Ball and Death Wave as well.

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Post by Almighty Majin » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:49 am

Speaking of which, I actually hope Freeza stays alive after this so that Nekomajin Z can properly fit into the timeline.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:27 pm

Almighty Majin wrote:Speaking of which, I actually hope Freeza stays alive after this so that Nekomajin Z can properly fit into the timeline.
Nekomajin is an entirely gag manga with a tone similar to Doctor Slump. It should NEVER be canon to Dragon Ball.

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