"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

Title / One week sales / Overall sales
Dragon Ball Super 3 / 78,524 / 170,638
Dragon Ball Super 1 / 15,785 / 310,005
Dragon Ball Super 2 / 15,726 / 284,337

Good job Toyo, at this rate DBS Volume 3 should crack the 200K mark before being out of the Top 50 Oricon Ranking.

[Totamo]

This arc is reaching it's climax.
Trunks time is coming up.

This is gonna be like Vegeta's part in the Broly movie, isn't it?

hahahahahaa


Seriously, toyo needs to end this now.

[LightBing]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Anyway, the closure of this arc is still so open. It's great that the both the anime and manga offer different options. I'm specially curious about Future Trunks treatment. Toyotarõ has been trying his best to push Trunks into the spotlight, without resorting to narrative breaking methods. I consider him sacrificing himself so Goku and Vegeta can escape and the follow up to be the best moment of the arc.

Will he continue the trend or will Trunks have his good run end? I won't put it past Mr.Toriyama to have closed definitely Future Trunks story, given the go ahead for Toyotarõ to finish him.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Frankly, you can't do what Toyotaro's doing and expect people to like it. We've known specifically what the ending to this arc was ultimately going to be for the past 7 months. The journey in-between is fun with Toyotaro's take and all, but the whole premise is stale. It's actually the opposite problem that Toriyama had with his manga, wherein certain stories work just fine in serialization, but not on the whole. With Toyotaro, he's building a work that will be absolutely fine in retrospect, but is ultimately tired in the here and now.

That said, I don't necessarily think it needs to end, or even that it probably should. I just want a complimentary time ring so I can read the whole thing at once.

[OLKv3]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Impatience. The anime is on the shiny new arc and people want to see Toyo's take on it. They've been hyped for it ever since that trailer that used only manga scans. There's nothing wrong with Toyo taking his time with the Zamasu arc though. People would call it rushed if he finished it by now. Can't win, just can't win

[LightBing]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Frankly, you can't do what Toyotaro's doing and expect people to like it. We've known specifically what the ending to this arc was ultimately going to be for the past 7 months. The journey in-between is fun with Toyotaro's take and all, but the whole premise is stale. It's actually the opposite problem that Toriyama had with his manga, wherein certain stories work just fine in serialization, but not on the whole. With Toyotaro, he's building a work that will be absolutely fine in retrospect, but is ultimately tired in the here and now.

That said, I don't necessarily think it needs to end, or even that it probably should. I just want a complimentary time ring so I can read the whole thing at once.

I can understand the feeling, I also wished for a time-machine when Vegeta fought Black for the second time in what was a very weak chapter. What I don't understand is this spam, which is basically children screaming "I want my candy". You can see why after watching this repeat itself for at least a couple of months I would be fatigued.

Makes me wonder if people had the same attitude towards the anime during the original run.

[OLKv3]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Frankly, you can't do what Toyotaro's doing and expect people to like it. We've known specifically what the ending to this arc was ultimately going to be for the past 7 months. The journey in-between is fun with Toyotaro's take and all, but the whole premise is stale. It's actually the opposite problem that Toriyama had with his manga, wherein certain stories work just fine in serialization, but not on the whole. With Toyotaro, he's building a work that will be absolutely fine in retrospect, but is ultimately tired in the here and now.

That said, I don't necessarily think it needs to end, or even that it probably should. I just want a complimentary time ring so I can read the whole thing at once.

I can understand the feeling, I also wished for a time-machine when Vegeta fought Black for the second time in what was a very weak chapter. What I don't understand is this spam, which is basically children screaming "I want my candy". You can see why after watching this repeat itself for at least a couple of months I would be fatigued.

Makes me wonder if people had the same attitude towards the anime during the original run.

They definitely did, since one of DBZ's biggest complaints are the amount of filler it uses. I know it annoyed me how long it took for Bulma and crew to reach Namek, I hated Fake Namek and it wasn't daily episodes for me

[PeanutSaiyan]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Frankly, you can't do what Toyotaro's doing and expect people to like it. We've known specifically what the ending to this arc was ultimately going to be for the past 7 months. The journey in-between is fun with Toyotaro's take and all, but the whole premise is stale. It's actually the opposite problem that Toriyama had with his manga, wherein certain stories work just fine in serialization, but not on the whole. With Toyotaro, he's building a work that will be absolutely fine in retrospect, but is ultimately tired in the here and now.

That said, I don't necessarily think it needs to end, or even that it probably should. I just want a complimentary time ring so I can read the whole thing at once.

Seeing how poorly the arc was handled in the anime, I am absolutely fine with him taking his time to flesh out his narrative and keep giving us what the manga has delivered so far: characters that are more grounded in their roots, a better pace, and a more fleshed out story than it's counterpart.

[Cipher]

Much like the previous story line, I suspect Toyotaro's manga take will read much better as a whole/within a single sitting than waiting for a chapter each month.

[DBZ Macky]

Much like the previous story line, I suspect Toyotaro's manga take will read much better as a whole/within a single sitting than waiting for a chapter each month.

Yeah, I just re-read the Goku Black stuff of the Manga, and damn, that's a lot of chapters. It becomes a lot more interesting when binge-reading and time just flies by.
It seems there's still one or two chapters to go before the arc ends though.

[Lord Beerus]

Title / One week sales / Overall sales
Dragon Ball Super 3 / 78,524 / 170,638
Dragon Ball Super 1 / 15,785 / 310,005
Dragon Ball Super 2 / 15,726 / 284,337

Good job Toyo, at this rate DBS Volume 3 should crack the 200K mark before being out of the Top 50 Oricon Ranking.

Hmm. I find it weird that Volume 1 is outselling Volume 2. You'd think with more new content that Volume 2 would do better. Weird. Great sales either way, and very well deserved.

[Bullza]

Title / One week sales / Overall sales
Dragon Ball Super 3 / 78,524 / 170,638
Dragon Ball Super 1 / 15,785 / 310,005
Dragon Ball Super 2 / 15,726 / 284,337

Good job Toyo, at this rate DBS Volume 3 should crack the 200K mark before being out of the Top 50 Oricon Ranking.

Hmm. I find it weird that Volume 1 is outselling Volume 2. You'd think with more new content that Volume 2 would do better. Weird. Great sales either way, and very well deserved.

From what I've seen those aren't the first week sales either. So I don't know where he got that from.

[Lord Beerus]

Title / One week sales / Overall sales
Dragon Ball Super 3 / 78,524 / 170,638
Dragon Ball Super 1 / 15,785 / 310,005
Dragon Ball Super 2 / 15,726 / 284,337

Good job Toyo, at this rate DBS Volume 3 should crack the 200K mark before being out of the Top 50 Oricon Ranking.

Hmm. I find it weird that Volume 1 is outselling Volume 2. You'd think with more new content that Volume 2 would do better. Weird. Great sales either way, and very well deserved.

From what I've seen those aren't the first week sales either. So I don't know where he got that from.

The sales figures were from here.

[Bullza]

Hmm. I find it weird that Volume 1 is outselling Volume 2. You'd think with more new content that Volume 2 would do better. Weird. Great sales either way, and very well deserved.

From what I've seen those aren't the first week sales either. So I don't know where he got that from.

The sales figures were from here.

Ohhhh you were talking about the sales for this week. I thought he was referring to the first week sales.

Not bad sales really.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Updated volume 3 sales-

170k?!
Above 150k as I expected and still on top 5 which I didn't expect. Good job.
Since it's doing so well I'm expecting to crack the 200k barrier next week and then have a hard time getting close to the 300k goal.

Much like the previous story line, I suspect Toyotaro's manga take will read much better as a whole/within a single sitting than waiting for a chapter each month.

That's valid for any series.
It's always more enjoyable reading/watching everything in a row than have to wait between chapters/episodes.

The newest example of that is the build-up episodes we are having in Universe Survival arc. People are just impatient for the Tournament. After the arc ends, everything will feel much better.

[batistabus]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month? Beyond what I guess are selfish reasons. This as been going on for quite some time and I'm ready to call it spam.

Impatience. The anime is on the shiny new arc and people want to see Toyo's take on it. They've been hyped for it ever since that trailer that used only manga scans. There's nothing wrong with Toyo taking his time with the Zamasu arc though. People would call it rushed if he finished it by now. Can't win, just can't win

This. People are taking out their frustrations on Toyotaro in an unfair and uninformed way. The anime is dragging to get to new material, and the manga seems to be dragging in comparison. Also, its more than likely that Toyotaro doesn't have control over how many chapters he is expected to draw. He's not dragging it out because he feels like it, he's stretching the material to the quota assigned by V-Jump/Shueisha/Dragon Room. Personally, I'm really enjoying the ride.

[Kanassa]

Can people elaborate why the manga needs to end the arc, month after month?

No one's saying the manga NEEDS to end the arc soon, some would just prefer that it would end soon as to some the chapters seem to be getting pointlessly long. Like some feel this is the reverse situation the anime adaptation had. Where people felt the anime would benefit from having an extra episode for the finale battle, some feel that the manga is taking too much time to cover very little.

[Noah]

Makes me wonder if people had the same attitude towards the anime during the original run.

No, because of several factors: Two decades ago, the internet as not influent as is today, even though people may know what could happen in the series next they were all excited how the anime would make it. Watch something you read being animated is way more exciting than the opposite.

[Patrolman Jaco]

Chapter 18

Whis is an Angel, I guess that ring around his neck is meant to be a Halo, makes me wonder why he avoided Vegeta's question in RoF asking what he is since
he so casually revealed it here. Angels are neutral, I guess that makes Black taking out all of the Gods slightly less out there but it's kind of disappointing that we probably won't get to see them fight especially after learning that one of them the Grand Priest is the strongest fighter in the multiverse.
There seems to be a lot of restrictions on the high tier fighters, first the rule about how two Gods of Destruction can't fight each other and now this.

Inquiring about the possibility of the Grand Priest dealing with Black Goku
Didn't include this stupid gag
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Is able to explain the situation to Shin
Chewing out Future Trunks for not mentioning the Potara earlier
Remembering to bring the Senzu Beans
Telling Trunks to hide the Time machine when he senses Black approaching

Damn Toyo Goku is way more competent than Toei Goku, Toei portraying Goku with Alzheimer's disease and the rest of his characterization made the Future Trunks arc really obnoxious to watch. So I'm glad that Toyotaro isn't doing the same.

Manga Zeno has quite the expressive face, sort of makes the design more appealing to me. Since Future Trunks and Present Trunks so close in the manga pretty much brothers, I feel like this will make Goku's decision to chose Future Zeno as Zeno's friend much more natural. Amusing antics with Goku implying Beerus should become Zeno's friend, Beerus and Shin interaction, Goku suggesting that Zamasu didn't chose Monaka because of his nipples and Beerus believing Kibito to be Black Goku. Despite it being a gag it's more than the anime did, despite pushing this Black Goku mystery, where the only viable candidate they gave us was Zamasu, hence why pretty much all other theory were absurd ideas that weren't hinted at all like Black being Future Goten.

Didn't care for the Goku hasn't kissed before gag, no matter how you look at it Goku never kissing despite having two kids and not knowing how it relates to married despite being married himself is stupid, no matter how you look at it. At least Vegeta's blushing reaction was funny.

Glad we got the identity of Black Goku out of the way, since the anime already revealed it, the manga dragging it out would have felt pointless.
Hopefully Toyo better spends his time fleshing out his character instead. Love that page of Future Trunks' flashback, great visuals the shading helped give it a very ominous feeling.

I much prefer how Future Trunks was able to survive here, Black simply allowing him to live, it makes him appear more Saiyan like and probably done with the intent of becoming stronger. Compared to the anime where he was seemingly trying to kill Future Trunks but failed to do so for a whole year, getting thwarted by regular humans using mundane means, making him appear very incompetent.

Kind of weird how Whis calls Gowasu by his name but refers to Shin by his title.

I guess this makes Future Mai surviving that Ki blast from Black more believable since she was given a Senzu bean, in the anime she sort of just regained consciousness somehow, then during a later visit to the future she survived another encounter with Black but was sustain enough damage that she needed a Senzu bean. Much prefer Future Trunks and Mai's reunion here, no shipping bait just genuine happiness to see someone he cares about still alive and well.

Another reminder that Vegeta used to be an ass, these happen pretty much every arc it seems. Would be interesting if in the manga Future Trunks and Mai are the ones to return to past like Vegeta suggested, since they didn't go that route in the anime. Glad the resistance are nowhere to be seen since just about all their appearances had huge amounts of plot induced stupidity or asspulls.

Chapter 19

Manga Black can go regular Super Saiyan, cool I guess. Vegeta's fight with Black seems to imply
SS2 Vegtea>SS2 Black>Base Black>SS2 Trunks=SS3 Goku

So either Vegeta retained his "my Bulma" boost from BoG, or Black wasn't going all out against SS2 Vegeta. The latter would match up with him not getting one shotted by SSB Vegeta like Cabba did and the fact his base form wasn't really troubled by SS2 Vegeta at the beginning.

The manga seems to capture the scale of Dragon Ball fights better than the anime, Vegeta's generic Ki spam in the manga feel way more powerfully than the Final Flash from SS2 Trunks or Kamehameha from SSR Black in the anime. Also that great shot of Vegeta's Final Flash being fired to towards Black at the end followed by that planet shot. The characters still aren't displaying feats worthy of Gods but it's still slightly better than the anime in that regard. The battle also captured Vegeta's fight mannerisms of sending someone flying airborne, pursuing and flowing up with a blow smacking them down to the ground.

Much preferred Vegeta's speech about Black's borrowed body in the manga, here it's delivered when Vegeta is seemingly superior to Black, bu in the anime
that speech was given after Black kicked their asses like twice before hand forcing Vegeta to retreat and undergo a year of training.

I like how Toyo cuts back and forth between the timelines showing each set of characters dealing with the threat of Zamasu on both fronts simultaneously
making it more intense, it also makes the storytelling more streamlined and cohesive. Compared to that of the anime where plots lines are done one after the other, so while Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks are dealing with Black, Beerus and Whis are doing nothing of note and vice versa. Even though I don't care for Zamasu's "justice" bullshit I like how Black's speech was linked up to Present Zamasu's talk with Beerus where he was presumably saying the same thing.

Liked Beerus' Hakai here, cool call back to the BoG movie where Beerus did the same to an egg. Quite a morbid image, reducing a living being to nothing more than sand.

Cool to see Goku actually listening to Future Trunks' warning, forgoing his turn and taking the situation seriously.

Chapter 20

That explains the missing Time ring in one of the previous chapters, so the Time ring wasn't created until Future Trunks' time travelling resulted in a major change of established history. In this case Beerus finding out about the threat of Zamasu from Trunks leading him to destroy Zamasu before he can take Goku's body thus the new timeline.

Speaking of threat I'm glad here Black and Future Zamasu are trying to achieve the No Mortals Plan in all the timelines, making the stakes clear from jump.
The anime failed to do this until near the end of the final battle by then it was too late since he was erased soon afterwards.

Really like how Toyo handled Black's Zenkai, it explains how Black is able to use Goku's body as well as he does since going off what we know from the Ginyu fight, Black should not be able to decently use that body let alone use it better than Goku himself. It also gave Black and Future Zamasu a reason to work together using Zenkai and Healing in conjunction. In the anime Black's "Zenkai" was more akin to Hit's improvement in which it just made him arbitrarily become stronger whenever he was challenged until it was convenient for the plot for him not to be stronger than his adversary, thus making his team up with Future Zamasu kind of unnecessary.

I like that little touch of Black having a Zen like expression before achieving SSR, it's quite fitting since Super Saiyan Blue/Rose requires a calm mind to attain it. I also really dig how his Super Saiyan Rose form looks, I was thinking it would have rose petal-like things floating around in his aura, glad we got this instead those flames look pretty sweet. We also got an explanation on why it's pink instead of blue, not that it was really necessary but appreciated nonetheless.

Love that page with Goku,Vegeta,Black and Future Zamasu facing off, great art.

Pretty cool how Toyo gave Future Zamasu Shinjin powers, most people were praising Zamasu for being the first Kaioshin/Shinjin villain even though he never really fought like one. It also makes him more effective in battle than just being an annoying unkillable dude, like how he stole Goku's Senzu Beans.
Hasn't even returned to the present yet and he's already thinking of a plan to counteract Future Zamasu's immortality. Why does Toei choose to make Goku so mind numbingly incompetent?

Pretty clever plan using the fact they could sense Mai's Ki but not the others along with those mannequins to ambush them, though it kind of left Trunks in a compromising situation. Much prefer it to the resistance somehow getting the drop on Black and Future Zamasu, thwarting them with tear gas, taking
Goku and the others right under their noses and escaping scot free.

I can't say enough how much l love Future Trunks' SS2 form, that page of him stabbing Future Zamasu was great.

Kind of disappointed that Black and Future Zamasu didn't tag team Goku and Vegeta, that was pretty much the only thing I liked about them in the anime. Specifically episode 57, even though the power scaling didn't make a whole lot of sense and it had dumb things like Goku not using IT while Future Zamasu was holding him and Future Trunks down or at least elbowing him. For the most part the fight choreography was pretty good.

Chapter 21

Like the explanation for how exactly the time machine works, I was wondering myself why they couldn't do as Goku suggested, and everything seems to fit in with what was previously established in the Artificial Human arc. I'm guessing the reason the connection between the timelines is weakening is because of the stark differences between them. Pretty much everyone in Future Trunks' timeline' is dead including all the Gods apart from Zamasu and Zeno.

I imagine Shin is bummed out because he realizes that this situation is kind of his fault since he told Zamasu about Goku.

I wasn't feeling Black's Bankoku Bikkuri Sho in the last chapter but after seeing him enveloping Future Trunks in it and swinging him around like a wrecking ball I was sold, it was a cool action scene as well as the scene of Black smashing Future Trunks' face in, brutal as hell.

Glad to see Shin and Gowasu being so productive here, had a feeling they would save Future Trunks since they had access to the Time rings and knew what was going down in the future, in the anime they didn't really do anything except for spouting exposition and giving their Potaras to Goku and Vegeta but since Vegetto's inclusion was tact on and didn't really effect the plot, that didn't end up mattering.

Black and Future Zamasu are actually carrying out the No Mortals Plan since there's no one there to stop them, so simple yet the anime couldn't do this for
some reason. No matter how many times Goku and the others retreated to past leaving Future Earth defenseless, Black and Future Zamasu would just simply wait for Goku and the others to come back and defeat them. Instead of actually trying to carry out their goals, this made them feel like roadblocks rather than characters. Also when characters like Future Trunks or Bulma would get emotional over that fact someone got left behind in the future timeline I couldn't buy it since they didn't seem to be in any danger.

So they seem to be aware of the threat of Zeno in this version yet the only precaution they seem to have is to move planets. Shouldn't they be aware that Zeno can destroy an entire Universe? I was kind of hoping that Zamasu stole Goku's body to curry favour with Zeno or something, due to his fondness for Goku.

That Black and Gowasu scene was really good, I didn't really care for the scene in the anime, but the execution here is so much better, in the anime his body language (having his arms behind his back during most of the conversation) gave the impression he didn't really care about the situation, where as in the manga we see Gowasu quite literally reaching out to Zamasu. It generally felt like Gowasu was trying to help his disciple and fix his mistake of letting him turn out this way. It also seemed like his words were starting to get through to him, but Zamasu ultimately decides against it because he's too far gone. Even his "this is the third time I've killed you" line seems more like him trying to prove his resolve, rather than the throwaway quip it was in the anime. Great scene, reminded me a lot of a similar scene in Star Wars the Force Awakens.

Glad Gowasu pointed out if Zamasu had to kill the other Gods because they didn't agree with his ideology, then probably his ideology is wrong. In general I just like how Gowasu was taking responsibility for how Zamasu turned out and apologizing to Future Trunks for how it affected him.

I didn't know how much I missed battle damaged until I saw Future Trunks and Vegeta in this chapter, it really helps elevate the action when you see how battered and bruised the characters get, I hope Toyo keeps it up. Really liked the art in chapter so many panels and pages like Black towering over Future Trunks in his Ki blast, Gowasu falling off that building and that shot of Roshi and Turtle sleeping while Goku is practicing the Mafuba, great stuff.

Chapter 22

Actually attempting to fight Black damn Manga Shin has balls, I hope he plays a role in defeating Zamasu.

I wish the fight between Trunks, Shin, Black and Future Zamasu wasn't off screened. Goku vs Black, Shin vs Future Zamasu would have loved to see those fights, God I wish this manga was weekly so Toyo could expand on things more.

The fight choreography in this chapter wasn't as strong as in the previous chapters though there were some good moments like Goku punching
Future Zamasu in the gut, Vegeta dodging Black's Ki blasts and Vegeta sending Black to the hospital literally and I liked how Goku learned from his previous battle with Future Zamasu and made sure not to fall for his paralysis technique again.

Happy to see that Vegeta's RoTaS training wasn't simply to make him stronger, but rather to boost his efficiency with SSB. Not only is that a much more interesting way of improving a character's capability in battle, but it also doesn't conflict with Trunks' statement before about how Goku and Vegeta have reached their peaks in power. It's also cool that the method Vegeta used to overcome Black was inspired by something Goku did, not only is it similar to how Goku chose to combat Hit in the Champa arc but it's also quite similar to how Vegeta described Goku's Ki manipulation during his fight with Jeice and Burter in the Namek arc,it kind of legitimizes Vegeta's speech to Black during their first fight.

I was wondering if Toyo would ever explain how Vegeta got SSB, since the anime went in a completely different direction with Vegeta obtaining it by training but the manga seems to have stuck with the implication that Vegeta did the SSG ritual off screen between the BoG and RoF movies. So the only way for Future Trunks to get God Ki is to do the SSG ritual it seems.

So it seems Goku fucking up in regards to the seal was a part of Toriyama's outline, goddammit. Though he didn't forget the seal completely like he did in the anime, it was inside an envelope so it's slightly more forgivable, granted I don't know we he didn't check inside to make sure he got the right thing. At least the punchline here is funnier than its anime counterpart.

Cool how Toyo addressed the taxing cost of using the Mafuba but did Goku really need SSB to seal Future Zamasu?

Goku getting into Future Zamasu's head kind of reminded me of when he was doing the same to Majin Buu telling him despite how strong he is, he still lets Bobbidi manipulate him.

Interesting how Black refers to Future Zamasu as brother similar to how Present Trunks calls Future Trunks big bro.

Wow Goku actually tried attacking Black and Future Zamasu to prevent them from fusing, quite rare you see a character do something like that in this series, the only other instance that comes to mind is Future Trunks attacking Cell after he absorbed 18. I find it funny that even though the manga skipped the RoF arc, Goku seems to have taken the event of that arc more seriously than his anime counterpart.

Unlike most I don't find the pacing of the manga to be a problem, outside of the BoG arc the pacing has been fine imo but I have to admit this chapter felt rather rushed.

Chapter 23

I like how Toyo draws Merged Zamasu's hair with one long bang going down past his face making it slightly reminiscent of his Kaioshin mohawk hairstyle.
Merged Zamasu also appears to have retained some of Goku's physical features, making his design more than just Zamasu with SSJ hair. Though I do miss the Halo thing from the anime that was pretty sweet.

The fight choreography was much better here than in the previous chapter, very dynamic with Toyo playing with the perspective of the panels.
I'm glad Merged Zamasu still has access to his Shinjin powers, hopefully he will use some of Goku's techniques as well. In the anime despite being a fusion of both Black Goku and Future Zamasu, he barely retained any of their fighting styles at first especially Goku.

For some reason Goku was able to use SSB again, despite last chapter him saying he couldn't and there's the issue of using SSB succession in which case SSG would be the better option, the chapter draws attention to it by having Future Trunks comments on it so supposedly there's a reason behind it.

I was wondering how Toyo was going to handle Merged Zamasu's immortality, the half-immortal shit didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me and pretty much made Black and Zamasu fusing in the anime really stupid, since it lessened each of their combat advantages Black's nonsensical "Zenkai" boosts and Future Zamasu's immortality which ultimately lead to their defeat. Though this does make it kind of hard for them to defeat Merged Zamasu if he's completely immortal, interested in how Toyo going to write around that.

I'm not fond of Goku and Vegeta choosing to fight one on one, I know last chapter Goku was talking about how one on one fights is something proud warriors do, but the difference in strength should have forced their hands, if Merged Zamasu felt like it both of them would have been killed instantly.

Toyo handled the Potara retcon better than Toei by having it simply be a misunderstanding on Shin's part, in the anime he doesn't even react to this new information. Quite interesting how the time limit also applies to Zamasu since he's not officially a Kaioshin, makes sense becoming a Kaioshin shouldn't be as easy as killing one and stealing their earrings. Now Toyo has a chance to do that Goku vs Black fight, if Goku and Vegeta aren't killed or put out of commission by Merged Zamasu first.
Also, could anyone put on a Potara have the ability to use the Time rings? like Trunks maybe, since it appears that the Potara is the requirement to use them rather than the actual position of Kaioshin.

So Zamasu needs to find a version of himself that actually legitimately succeeded in becoming a Kaioshin if he wants the fusion to stick, that could be an interesting character dynamic if that version of Zamasu got over his warped ideology and changed for the better.

Always wanted to see Katchin weaponized though I was thinking more along the lines of a Katchin sword for Future Trunks but I'll take this, so with this and Future Trunks' attempt to cut the Katchin while training with Future Kaioshin being interrupted, Toyo is definitely setting up Trunks cleaving that shit in two right?

Despite not actually appearing in the manga Future Bulma gets more characterization here than in the anime, feel kinda bad for her, she lost out on her chance to see how Vegeta changed for the better, great scene added a nice amount of emotional weight to this situation, I hope we get some sort of resolution to that before the end of the arc. I do like how this fuels Vegeta's motivation for fusing with Goku much better than in the anime where he agrees to fuse because Goku kept nagging him until he went oh fine I'll do it.

Kind of surprised that Vegetto was actually a part of Toriyama's outline, since both his appearances in the anime and manga have little impact on the plot, you could remove him from both and it probably wouldn't change much. His appearance here was even more brief than it was in the anime. Regardless, he had a bad ass entrance, imposing Ki blast out a nowhere encompassing most of Merged Zamasu follow by a cool planet shot and an amusing scene of Vegetto speed blitzing Merged Zamasu so fast that he doesn't realize his hands have been dismembered. Though I wish the scale was much bigger, I mean SSG Goku vs Beerus was apparently destroying the Universe, and despite characters getting stronger since then yet the feats haven't been nowhere near as impressive since then.

SSB Vegetto is apparently stronger than Beerus or at least on par with him, this coincides with Whis' words in the RoF move saying if Goku and Vegeta worked together they could beat Beerus and also Toriyama ranking of Beerus compared to SSG Goku, with Beerus being 10 and SSG Goku being 6.
Cool, nice to know how characters rank in relation to each other.

Chapter 24

It's great to see battle damaged Goku again, though I'm not sure how his clothes got that way by being hit with blunt objects. Also, what happened to the Potaras Goku and Vegeta were wearing?

Gowasu doesn't seem too sure why how Merged Zamasu outlasted Vegetto, I'm thinking it's probably because it's a fusion of two Zamasus, giving it better compatibility then two different people fusing. In the Majin arc Elder Kaioshin did imply that Goku and Vegeta rivalry made Vegetto stronger, so there might be other benefits a fusion can have based on the people who fused. Gowasu says if Shin wasn't a Kaioshin he wouldn't have been able to come to the future with the Time ring, but Zamasu isn't a Kaioshin and he's able to use the Time ring. I'll assume he means that under normal circumstances people other than Kaioshin aren't meant to wear Potaras and thus would not be able to use the Time ring, since while Zamasu was still training under Gowasu, he was allowed to use the Time ring despite not being a Kaioshin because Gowasu lent him his Potara.

Digging Merged Zamasu's space time powers, reminds me of Janemba but utilized more creatively here. Anime Black also had space-time powers so I wonder it's Black's doing or is it a power exclusive to Merged Zamasu like Vegetto's Spirit sword.

So this entire time Trunks has been subconsciously healing people, this kind of reminds me of Elizabeth from Nanatsu no Taizai. That explains why Future Mai and Gowasu survived their encounters with Black, though I was kind of hoping that Gowasu surviving was the result of his words reaching Black, weakening his resolve a little. I suppose the conversation between Gowasu and Shin in chapter 21 about the healing powers of those that serve under the Kaioshin was also alluding to this.
I don't mind Future Trunks having healing abilities, but I don't understand why Future Kaioshin went to the trouble of dancing around Trunks for an entire day only for him to not tell Trunks the benefits of said ritual. Also, why do Kaioshin disciples lose their healing powers when they become a Kaioshin? That's kind of a useful ability and I can't think of any good reason why they should lose that ability once promoted.
I really hope Future Trunks being a Kaioshin disciple eventually leads to the Time Patrol being established.

Vegeta's line about how they're all going to make through this alive and go home, seems like a death flag.
Happy to see Vegeta is still willing to set aside his pride for the greater good, I hear a few people claim that Dragon Ball Super ignores Vegeta's character development at the end of the Majin arc, glad that isn't the case, though I still would have preferred Goku and Vegeta fighting together.
Merged Zamasu beating the shit out of Vegeta brutal as hell, quite reminiscent of the Babari.

Dude Goku don't tell the enemy about Trunks' healing abilities.
Cool fight between Goku and Merged Zamasu, I usually don't care for panels featuring two characters and a bunch of impact stars implying movement but that top panel on page 37 before Goku elbowed Zamasu, looks pretty sweet.

I really like how in the manga version of this arc instead of the usual ways of characters getting stronger like rage boosts and level grinding. Toyo instead has the characters achieve greater strength by using the power they already have but more efficiently, it also really helps set SSB apart from the regular Super Saiyan transformations. Since neither method of drawing out SSB's power seems perfect, Vegeta's relies on him reacting in time to switch from SSG to SSB
and Goku's breaks his body apart trying to maintain SSB's power and both Goku and Vegeta have explained each others methods to Future Trunks. I'm guessing if Future Trunks gets SSB, he'll master it using what he learned from both Goku and Vegeta, maybe even combining both methods.

Not a lot of story progression this chapter, but at least no one can complain about the manga rushing.

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Much like the previous story line, I suspect Toyotaro's manga take will read much better as a whole/within a single sitting than waiting for a chapter each month.

I agree with This statement,at first I wasn't a huge fan of chapter 16,18,19 but after re reading it I grow fond of those chapter, especially with a good translation with viz, and is fun pointing out the difference and similarity between the anime and manga

The manga is good delivering a streamlined story, like u6 so I have high hopes for the Manga version of the USA arc,he could make an easier and less messy version of that arc