Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
They wouldn't have had a chance to see it. That's a pretty weird mistake, perhaps Toyotaro has forgotten he didn't have Goku tag along with Beerus when he confronted Zamasu.
That or maybe Beerus taught it to them back when they were training, I mean even if Toyo did mistake the anime for the manga Vegeta wasnt there as well but he knows Hakai was Beerus' move. Weird but at least he called it out.
How/Why would Beerus teach Goku something that seems to be only granted to the Hakaishins to fulfill their role? And also have the risk of being used against him one day?
Need to proper read the chapter first, but seems like Toyotaro's screwed up again.
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Kanassa wrote:
Well, Hakai is a killing move and Goku tends to not purposely kill his foes as that would spoil the fun of the fight. Plus next arc has a no killing rule
Yeah, but he has a guaranteed killing move now and a guaranteed sealing move too..
There shouldn't be goku is struggling because his opponent in being annoying anymore, opponent tries to go too far? Hakai to his face..
Alright screwattack, how about we do a managa goku vs Superman death battle now huh
How is the move guaranteed? It failed
The hakai removed half of zamasu, if he wasn't a cloning dimension cutting immortal taki mai hostage being he would be done for..
Besides a haikai is guaranteed a kill, just not spammable with how current goku can do it, once and very loosely, give it time and he has to learn it to perfection, that's how his character works
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Hakai is no special or unique technique, it's just a different way for Beerus to destroy someone.
Just as he destroyed the egg, turning it into dust (in BoG).
Goku is just releasing the power of the SSB he was containing in an attack
FortuneSSJ wrote:
How/Why would Beerus teach him something that seems to be only granted to the Hakaishins to fulfill their role? And also have the risk of being used against him one day?
Beerus or Whis, maybe Whis knows how the move works and taught it to them as Whis is Beerus' master as well, maybe the hakai move was a well known move for the angels and teaches it to the GoD's.
Also with Beerus he knows Goku wouldnt do something like that to him, he's a fighting numbskull not a killer... well until this chapter since he was planning on killing Zamasu. Teached them or showed them anything coulda worked since how in the world does Vegeta even know the move came from Beerus.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
They wouldn't have had a chance to see it. That's a pretty weird mistake, perhaps Toyotaro has forgotten he didn't have Goku tag along with Beerus when he confronted Zamasu.
That or maybe Beerus taught it to them back when they were training, I mean even if Toyo did mistake the anime for the manga Vegeta wasnt there as well but he knows Hakai was Beerus' move. Weird but at least he called it out.
How/Why would Beerus teach Goku something that seems to be only granted to the Hakaishins to fulfill their role? And also have the risk of being used against him one day?
Need to proper read the chapter first, but seems like Toyotaro's screwed up again.
Where was it ever stated that Hakai is something granted only to Gods of Destruction? I've never seen anyone refer to it as such.
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
TheSaiyanGod wrote:Hakai is no special or unique technique, it's just a different way for Beerus to destroy someone.
Just as he destroyed the egg, turning it into dust (in BoG).
Goku is just releasing the power of the SSB he was containing in an attack
A bike and an armoured rocket powered air lifing thruster car both are for going somewhere..
One has you put more effort and the other is guaranteed to take you places, hakai is the latter
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I can imagine a gag page on the vol since Toyo likes explaining stuffs, Beerus shows Goku and Vegeta his hakai move with a smugish face and tone '''That is why you two can never... NEVER hope to beat me, I can turn you to dust in a blink of an eye with that move''
SansrivaaL wrote:I can imagine a gag page on the vol since Toyo likes explaining stuffs, Beerus shows Goku and Vegeta his hakai move with a smugish face and tone '''That is why you two can never... NEVER hope to beat me, I can turn you to dust in a blink of an eye with that move''
Oh boy, he shouldn't have done that, goku takes "you can't beat me" very seriously
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FortuneSSJ wrote:
How/Why would Beerus teach Goku something that seems to be only granted to the Hakaishins to fulfill their role? And also have the risk of being used against him one day?
Need to proper read the chapter first, but seems like Toyotaro's screwed up again.
Where was it ever stated that Hakai is something granted only to Gods of Destruction? I've never seen anyone refer to it as such.
That's why I said "that seems". Beerus and Sidra can do it. Hakai comes from Hakaishin. A OP ability like that shouldn't be something that anyone except them can do.
Goku didn't even saw Beerus doing that in the manga, which makes it more stupid. But if you like it well, cool for you I guess.
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SansrivaaL wrote:I can imagine a gag page on the vol since Toyo likes explaining stuffs, Beerus shows Goku and Vegeta his hakai move with a smugish face and tone '''That is why you two can never... NEVER hope to beat me, I can turn you to dust in a blink of an eye with that move''
Wow, didn't see that coming. These few panels alone made it clear that I enjoy the Manga a lot more than I'd thought. Instead of repeating what was already there in the Anime, or just rushing the arc, this feels like an actual high-stakes battle. It's been a long time since that happened in Super.
At this point I wouldn't mind even if Toyo took 3 more chapters to finish this arc. I'd rather get to see more of this epic fight than waste a chapter on Caulifla attaining Super Saiyan with "tingly-feelings" and Krillin getting back into martial arts and fighting Goku for like the 3rd fucking time.
DBZ Macky wrote:Wow, didn't see that coming. These few panels alone made it clear that I enjoy the Manga a lot more than I'd thought. Instead of repeating what was already there in the Anime, or just rushing the arc, this feels like an actual high-stakes battle. It's been a long time since that happened in Super.
At this point I wouldn't mind even if Toyo took 3 more chapters to finish this arc. I'd rather get to see more of this epic fight than waste a chapter on Caulifla attaining Super Saiyan with "tingly-feelings" and Krillin getting back into martial arts and fighting Goku for like the 3rd fucking time.
If not for the OPness of hakai I would be thrilled at how amazingly the fight is going, I cannot shake the feeling he gave goku a very OP technique and made future hardships for him he could have easily avoided making..
He is willing to go that far for a grand battle, that's real ballsy
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Goku can use a Hakai type technique? That's... really fucking awesome! To me, that's the the anime's version of the Genki Dama Sword. It's nonsense, but it's spectacular nonsense.
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The moment is very cool, but turning Hakai into an actual technique that can be learned is... odd. I was under the impression once you're very powerful erasing stuff that easily is just a perk, "Hakai" being just added for the coolness.
It takes a lot away from Beerus killing Zamasu in the present (the most important part of the plot). It especially hurts since it is Beerus' first moment since BoG where it's shown he's not one to be fucked it... now it just seems run of the mill.
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I have only seen a couple of images...For the moment these are my toughts;
-Dunno way but Merged looks fucking dope without clothed. Gotta love it.
- Goku has Hakai? ...What?
- I'm confused. Trunks cuts Black and Zamasu in half, but then there are two Merged?
It seems interesting at the very least. We'll se how it turns out.
English is not my first language. Please excuse my gramatical mistakes.
Lord Beerus wrote:Goku can use a Hakai type technique? That's... really fucking awesome! To me, that's the the anime's version of the Genki Dama Sword. It's nonsense, but it's spectacular nonsense.
Not nonsense, he has only one shot at the technique, it's an existing technique, he could have learnt it from the days he spent training with the guy who teaches god of destructions..
Genki sword on the other hand has nothing going for it, absolutely nothing
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Ki Breaker wrote:Hakai is OP, It won't be easy writing him in the future, addressing the question why he didn't use hakai in future fights is going to be though
Well, Hakai is a killing move and Goku tends to not purposely kill his foes as that would spoil the fun of the fight. Plus next arc has a no killing rule
Yeah, but he has a guaranteed killing move now and a guaranteed sealing move too..
There shouldn't be goku is struggling because his opponent in being annoying anymore, opponent tries to go too far? Hakai to his face..
Alright screwattack, how about we do a managa goku vs Superman death battle now huh
Learning Hakai doesn't change the outcome of that battle. Goku still loses.
Chapter looks good aside from Goku using Hakai, with that he just surpassed Vegetto, so Vegetto being surpassed was part of Toriyamas outline after all.
