"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

So why didn't Vegetto do it if his (stupid) plan was to blow up Zamasu so hard he wouldn't be able to regen from it?

Could be a requirement of perfect blue which vegetto didn't have

Now I admit I haven't read the chapter, but why not? Vegetto should have everything Goku and Vegeta do.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So why didn't Vegetto do it if his (stupid) plan was to blow up Zamasu so hard he wouldn't be able to regen from it?

Vegetto didn't attempt the Mastered SSB transformation, and since he thought he'd be around for an hour, he didn't need to. The transformation seems to be the prerequisite (otherwise, it would've been attempted before Vegetto, as well).

[Ki Breaker]

Fair point. I'm just hoping the manga provide more context for why Goku chose now to use the Hakie-eque technique, instead of when before Merged Zamasu happened, but right now it just seem out of left field.

Frok what I understood, Goku couldn't use the technique because it takes perfect blue to do so, which he didn't get until Zamasu merged..
Releasing all that energy at once he gets to do the hakai, but just because of that, he only has one chance to do so..
Vegeta notes this is Goku's only chance

The main reason I consider this on par with the Genki Dama Sword in the anime is for how unexpected it is. I mean, there was zero indication that Goku could do such a thing. I mean, if it's explained I'll let it pass but for now, it just seem like such a very odd narrative direction to take.

Agree there, there was zero indication he could pull it off and its just as random as the genki sword..
It's just that it's easier to get away with because it's follows the natural laws of db universe

[Kanassa]

if Goku finished it off with that Hakai I woulda been pissed as hell on par with the anime Trunks genkidama being able to actually in a way did damage to merged Zamasu that only needed to call Zeno for the fnishing touch.

Trunks's attack completely failed, it went beyond failure and actually made everything worse. If Trunks didn't cut Zamasu dick first, the Heroes might have had a chance to try sealing Zamasu again. Trunks keeps screwing over his timeline.

[Ki Breaker]

So why didn't Vegetto do it if his (stupid) plan was to blow up Zamasu so hard he wouldn't be able to regen from it?

Could be a requirement of perfect blue which vegetto didn't have

Now I admit I haven't read the chapter, but why not? Vegetto should have everything Goku and Vegeta do.

Because Goku gave a shot at perfect SSB after his fusion ran out, and he succeeded..
He couldn't do it before and vegetto didn't have a reason to try to achieve perfect blue because he was overwhelmingly stronger without it

[MisteryOne]

Fair point. I'm just hoping the manga provide more context for why Goku chose now to use the Hakie-eque technique, instead of when before Merged Zamasu happened, but right now it just seem out of left field.

2 possibilities, either it can only be done with a perfected SSJB at a 100% always or Goku doesnt want to resort to killing hence just sealing him away would be good enough but now as things are looking way too bad to control he had to use it.

So I'm hearing Goku can hakai now?

Yes.He.Can.

So why didn't Vegetto do it if his (stupid) plan was to blow up Zamasu so hard he wouldn't be able to regen from it?

This is my main concern as well.Vegetto using perfected Blue and Hakai would have been way more efective. The only reason I can think of it's that if he failed that move (and he would have probably failed just like Goku has failed) both Goku and Vegeta would end being useless against Merged since it would take away all of their energy. Maybe he was jusy strong enough to defeat him without it, or so he tought.

But I don't see why it's stupid, it's the same thing Trunks tried to do with Future Zamasu in the anime.

[SansrivaaL]

if Goku finished it off with that Hakai I woulda been pissed as hell on par with the anime Trunks genkidama being able to actually in a way did damage to merged Zamasu that only needed to call Zeno for the fnishing touch.

Trunks's attack completely failed, it went beyond failure and actually made everything worse. If Trunks didn't cut Zamasu dick first, the Heroes might have had a chance to try sealing Zamasu again. Trunks keeps screwing over his timeline.

But he did kill Merged Zamasu, after that the one that was left that engulfed the universe was just Zamasu and watermelon head Zamasu.... here Goku utterly failed and did absolutely nothing and got his jimmies saved by Vegeta and Trunks.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This is my main concern as well.Vegetto using perfected Blue and Hakai would have been way more efective.

Vegetto Blue was already greater than Zamasu, there was no need to attempt a risky transformation, no reason to think it was anything less than overkill. Little did he know that his overwhelming power put a very low cap on the fusion time.

[Kanassa]

But he did kill Merged Zamasu

No, he didn't. He sliced Merged Zamasu in half which allowed Merged Zamasu to merged with the universe. There was no success on Trunks end,

[SansrivaaL]

But he did kill Merged Zamasu

No, he didn't. He sliced Merged Zamasu in half which allowed Merged Zamasu to merged with the universe. There was no success on Trunks end,

Yeah but the one that merged with the universe had the face of Zamasu, not merged Zamasu, so he killed the fusion that was merged Zamasu with only the immortal normal non fusion Zamasu left.

[Ki Breaker]

if Goku finished it off with that Hakai I woulda been pissed as hell on par with the anime Trunks genkidama being able to actually in a way did damage to merged Zamasu that only needed to call Zeno for the fnishing touch.

Trunks's attack completely failed, it went beyond failure and actually made everything worse. If Trunks didn't cut Zamasu dick first, the Heroes might have had a chance to try sealing Zamasu again. Trunks keeps screwing over his timeline.

But he did kill Merged Zamasu, after that the one that was left that engulfed the universe was just Zamasu and watermelon head Zamasu.... here Goku utterly failed and did absolutely nothing and got his jimmies saved by Vegeta and Trunks.

Trunks got penetrated fast after that as well, Vegeta seems to be the only standing guy right now.. and he is trying hakai as well..
Maybe Vegeta is the one to get universal Zamasu to show up here

[Jigurashi]

if Goku finished it off with that Hakai I woulda been pissed as hell on par with the anime Trunks genkidama being able to actually in a way did damage to merged Zamasu that only needed to call Zeno for the fnishing touch.

Trunks's attack completely failed, it went beyond failure and actually made everything worse. If Trunks didn't cut Zamasu dick first, the Heroes might have had a chance to try sealing Zamasu again. Trunks keeps screwing over his timeline.

But he did kill Merged Zamasu, after that the one that was left that engulfed the universe was just Zamasu and watermelon head Zamasu.... here Goku utterly failed and did absolutely nothing and got his jimmies saved by Vegeta and Trunks.

But he didn't kill Zamasu. Zen-chan needing to come in to actually defeat and kill Zamasu is what happened.

[The gr]

Why does MZ have the same Aura as ssb,does this indicate his ki is leaking

[SansrivaaL]

But he didn't kill Zamasu. Zen-chan needing to come in to actually defeat and kill Zamasu is what happened.

Yeah but he killed Merged Zamasu as after killing him only Zamasu's face was showing up, so in a way Trunks succeeded in something.

[Kanassa]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It looks so dumb...

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Why does MZ have the same Aura as ssb,does this indicate his ki is leaking [spoiler][/spoiler]

Zamasu never held his Ki inside of his own body, there's no reason to think it shouldn't leak.

[Kanassa]

Yeah but he killed Merged Zamasu as after killing him only Zamasu's face was showing up, so in a way Trunks succeeded in something.

He made everything worse, there was no success. It's like calling slicing one head off a hydra a success.

[Basako]

Agree there, there was zero indication he could pull it off and its just as random as the genki sword..
It's just that it's easier to get away with because it's follows the natural laws of db universe

At most you could compare this to Trunks using the Mafuba. Trunks didn't perform the Genki Ball, it was created alone spontaneously and then he stuck that into his broken sword. If Trunks had raised his hands and performed the Genkidama, we could say that, and that would bring us the questions of how he could have learnt it or when. But this wasn't the case.

Now Goku is using a technique that exists, we didn't know he could, but here it is. The question is, how can he do that? Could they even know about the Hakai? They spent some time training with Whis, before and after the RoF arc, so there's no plothole here.

Having to be in mastered blue state makes sense, as it's a high technique and just one chance for Goku. But Zamasu is no fool, uses Mai as a shield, otherwise he was done.

[Ki Breaker]

Yeah but he killed Merged Zamasu as after killing him only Zamasu's face was showing up, so in a way Trunks succeeded in something.

He made everything worse, there was no success. It's like calling slicing one head off a hydra a success.

Hey you take that back, I consider it a success in all the dark souls runs I have made

[Jigurashi]

But he didn't kill Zamasu. Zen-chan needing to come in to actually defeat and kill Zamasu is what happened.

Yeah but he killed Merged Zamasu as after killing him only Zamasu's face was showing up, so in a way Trunks succeeded in something.

I'm not saying Trunks didn't do anything, I'm just saying he didn't really kill a Zamasu. As for Vegeta, another poest said he's using Hakai as well, but it just looks like he's using a large ki blast unless I'm wrong.