Chaozu- most useless character in all of Dragonball?

Jermyn · Post by **Jermyn** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:00 pm

I mean has Chaozu ever won a fight? I used to think Yamcha was the most useless fighter in the Dragonball Z universe, but hey, at least he beat the invisible man. But, while watching Dragonball yestersday I realized that Chaozu has to be weaker. I mean, he's never done anything. Why on earth is he even on this show? I mean, his VERY FIRST fight in the show was against Kuririn, and he lost. I mean, how many people can say that they've lost to Kuririn? The next time Chaozu fights is against King Piccolo where he's killed instantly. After he's wished back and starts training it would appear that he will become stronger, yet he's beaten in the PRELIMINARIES of the World Martial Arts tournament. I think Chaozu is the only Z fighter to ever get beaten in the prelimaries.

And of course, in the Saiyan saga Chaozu is killed while training in the Pendulum room almost immediately. And despite training with Kami, Chaozu can't even hurt Nappa even if he sacrifices his own life. I think the only other times Chaozu fights is when he's training against Piccolo on King Kai's planet and when he fought the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet. Both of which were filler, and if I remember correctly he didn't do so well in those fights either. So, honestly, why was Chaozu ever created? He's completely useless.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:02 pm

Because he's a fun character. Also, he gives more dimension to Tenshinhan.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:15 pm

He was there in Dragonball to show Tien has a soft side and cared about people other then himself, that role followed Chaozu all through the series up until Tien faded into obscurity. As said previously basically he was a prop to develop Tien's character.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:05 pm

What everyone said. Also, I will disprove some things.

Jermyn wrote:I mean has Chaozu ever won a fight?

Yes. Well, I don't know if you'd consider it a "fight", but in the anime, you see the guy who's all covered up. That's because Chaozu burnt the shit out of him, as mentioned.

Jermyn wrote:Why on earth is he even on this show?

Because he's a cool character. Even if he is weak. Why is Bulma on the show? Why is Lunch on the show? Why is the Turtle on the show? Why is Oolong on the show? Why is Puar on the show? They are fun characters. It doesn't matter if they have any powers.

Jermyn wrote:I mean, his VERY FIRST fight in the show was against Kuririn, and he lost. I mean, how many people can say that they've lost to Kuririn?

At that time, I'd say that Kuririn is probably one of the third strongest characters. Hell, I'd say that he was about equal with Chaozu. So, I'd say that Chaozu was the third/fourth strongest, ranking the same as Kuririn. Kuririn just won by fooling Chaozu. Even so, losing to Kuririn in Dragon Ball, but still giving a good fight is a great accomplishment.

Jermyn wrote:The next time Chaozu fights is against King Piccolo where he's killed instantly.

Piccolo Daimao was strong as shit.

Jermyn wrote:After he's wished back and starts training it would appear that he will become stronger, yet he's beaten in the PRELIMINARIES of the World Martial Arts tournament. I think Chaozu is the only Z fighter to ever get beaten in the prelimaries.

I guess you do have a point about him not becoming stronger, but that doesn't mean he was never strong. Also, he's not the only Z Fighter to be beaten in the preliminaries. I you consider him a Z Fighter, Yajirobe (in disguise) lost to Kami (In disguise as Shen) at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

With the rest you said, I guess you have a point, but not on the last statement. Just because Chaozu was no longer useful in battle doesn't mean he's completely useless. There were still many characters that couldn't fight, but they weren't useless. If you have any arguments, please state them.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:39 am

Future Trunks only won 1 fight until he went back to his own time.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:21 am

From the top of my mind at the moment - i'de say the most useless character is Marron from Garlic Jr saga. dimwitted dunce and a blonde who's hair has been dyed blue.. lol

Some other filler characters i dub useless as well.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:19 am

Chouzu beat a lot of people in the preliminaries of the 22nd World Tournament. Compared to the average human, he's strong as hell. He may be the weakest of the Z team, but compared to everyone else he's one of the strongest people on earth.

Bomber Greek · Post by **Bomber Greek** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:11 am

I'd have to say that later in the show though, Yajirobe is, as he doesn't do any further training after Dragon Ball.

Also, Tenkaichi 2 considers Satan a Z Fighter. I guess the award goes to him.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:21 pm

Whoa, whoa. Hold up. Choutzu was kicking Kuririn's ass that whole fight. He lost because he was somehow retarded, and didn't know simple math or his right from his left. Yeah, he lost to Kuririn, and then lost to Cyborg Taopaipai in the preliminaries. Okay, now...Yamcha lost to Roshi, Tenshinhan, and Kami. And honestly, he never had a chance in any of those fights. By the way the pendulum room was filler as well. He also beat Guldo in that Ginyu Force filler. The most useless canon character has to be Bulma's mother. I barely remembered her character until I watched the re-dubbed season two. Princess Snake and Gregory were horrible useless filler abominations. Yajirobe is a pretty good fighter, and decently strong. He was Goku's equal until he drank Korin's water. This is after Goku fought Tenshinhan and Tambourine, and Goku says he's never fought someone so "tough". He trained with Kami and Popo with weighted clothing and took a sip of Korin's water. So he's strong. And he delivers senzu throughout Dragon Ball. He's the bean daddy.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:27 pm

Princess Snake and Gregory were horrible useless filler abominations.

Hey! Gregory's cool! He made for some great commedy moments in the series (and my fanfics). XP

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:57 pm

Chaozu could have served as a spy since he's got one of the less forgotten telepathic connections. And then he could get killed spying and it'd be dramatic and meaningful and would develop all the other characters involved.
*ahem*.
Chaozu is to Tien as Kuririn is to Goku. And Puar is to Yamcha. Chaozu is like a cross between Puar and Kuririn. Because everyone in DB had a sidekick: Goku had Kuririn, KaeSen'nin had the turtle, Bulma had Oolong, Yamcha had Puar, Red had Black, Pilaf had Shou and Mai, and Tenshinhan ha Chaozu. Kuririn and Chaozu happened to be the sidekicks that stayed on as fighters. And for some reason Chaozu just stopped being useful when his fight with Kuririn showed that he had potential. Yajirobe pretty well instantly outclassed him in the department of ass-kicking, but character-wise Chaozu wins because he serves to develop the other characters. It's more of a friendship thing...? Like, clearly we aren't wishing Chaozu back because he's useful for our next opponent... Tien just refuses to come back without him. And he's a friend and stuff.

And... umm... Yeah... and... uh... getting to play as Chaozu in BT was awesome for about ten minutes. Just... because that was when I first played the game.

PaperSun · Post by **PaperSun** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:41 pm

Chaozu is just one of the countless characters in Dragon Ball that help push it forward for the main characters. He's in the same league as Bulma, Tenshinhan, Lunch, etc. of characters who are used for what they are needed for, then mostly forgotten about. They just help move the story along for the main characters.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:08 pm

No, the most useless character is Farmer With Shotgun.

kinoko · Post by **kinoko** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:07 am

Seconding everyone's replies here...

And I'd just like to say that Chaozu sacrificing himself for his friend(s) twice - Piccolo Daimaou and Nappa - definitely does not make him useless. It actually shows strength of a different kind, even if it has nothing to do with prowess in battle, or Ki, or whatever. XP

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:50 am

Rocketman wrote:No, the most useless character is Farmer With Shotgun.

You gotta mean most useful.

Luffy · Post by **Luffy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:31 am

Well i think that the guy that screamed and runned away in one little frame in a random volume, random chapter and random destruction scene is a little les usefull, but the creepy little bastard doesn't do much shit really.