"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Zamasu55]

Frieza will lose as he is too arrogant and probably weaker.

Toppo couldnt land a clean hit on SSJB Goku and got him thinking about him over and over, Freeza knocked the SSJB out of Goku in one shot.

Toppo's on par with Goku, everybody said that.

[SansrivaaL]

Toppo's on par with Goku, everybody said that.

I have a habit of not listening to what Beerus says, he's full of crap (he later said Goku killed Toppo but was proven wrong, never take his word for anything). The only ones that said they were even was Beerus and Toppo himself.

[Yedis]

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[kinisking]

Toppo wasn't done powering up. He clearly powered up before Goku went to kaioken .

Him powering up can just mean him reaching from getting stomped to actually putting up a fight. Still a far cry to what Freeza pulled.

He didn't even get to fight in his powered up form. Toppo sensed kaioken Goku and still thought he was as powerful as him.

[Zamasu55]

Toppo's on par with Goku, everybody said that.

I have a habit of not listening to what Beerus says, he's full of crap (he later said Goku killed Toppo but was proven wrong, never take his word for anything). The only ones that said they were even was Beerus and Toppo himself.

And Goku himself, he said to Vegeta he wasn't sure he couldn beat him.

[SansrivaaL]

He didn't even get to fight in his powered up form. Toppo sensed kaioken Goku and still thought he was as powerful as him.

Why exactly should we believe what Toppo says? couldnt it be just him not wanting to accept that an evil person from his perspective is more powerful than him? its the same with Vegeta always saying he's more powerful than Goku. I rarely take anything these characters says especially new ones that we have no background off to heart, even the ones that we know always lies.

And Goku himself, he said to Vegeta he wasn't sure he couldn beat him.

That was obviously to get Vegeta pumped up (you can tell from how Goku was saying it with his tone) and join in which we obviously saw that it had effect, but his daddy instincts were too strong at the time.

[Simere]

Toppo wasn't done powering up. He clearly powered up before Goku went to kaioken .

Him powering up can just mean him reaching from getting stomped to actually putting up a fight. Still a far cry to what Freeza pulled.

He didn't even get to fight in his powered up form. Toppo sensed kaioken Goku and still thought he was as powerful as him.

Do we know Toppo can sense ki?

[HeroR]

Toppo wasn't done powering up. He clearly powered up before Goku went to kaioken .

Him powering up can just mean him reaching from getting stomped to actually putting up a fight. Still a far cry to what Freeza pulled.

He didn't even get to fight in his powered up form. Toppo sensed kaioken Goku and still thought he was as powerful as him.

Yet acted surprised when Goku went Blue and stomped him.

[Ki Breaker]

Do we know Toppo can sense ki?

Ki or not, he could tell goku became more powerful both times he transformed

[BlueBasilisk]

Do we know Toppo can sense ki?

Ki or not, he could tell goku became more powerful both times he transformed

Plus he just saw Kaioken Goku floor Bergamo not 5 minutes before they fought. I don't see any reason for Toppo and Goku to both lie about them being evenly matched.

[Simere]

Do we know Toppo can sense ki?

Ki or not, he could tell goku became more powerful both times he transformed

Plus he just saw Kaioken Goku floor Bergamo not 5 minutes before they fought..

Seeing doesn't really mean anything, does it? It's not the size of the ki blast, it's the size of the ki in the blast. You can't tell how strong someone is if you can't sense them. And, like HeroR said, Toppo saw SSB but still managed to be surprised by it.

I don't see any reason for Toppo and Goku to both lie about them being evenly matched

Goku didn't say he was evenly matched with Toppo. He said he wasn't sure if SSB was enough to win(not SSBKK).

[emperior]

It's possible that Toppo was surprised by SSB because he felt its pressure.

[perucho1990]

I agree with this.

Also people are acting like the only SSB level people that will be there are just Golden Freeza,Goku,Vegeta,Hit,Gohan,Toppo,17 and Jiren. This won't even be close to being the case, the fact they made 17 and Gohan be SSB level should be proof enough. They wouldn't give u7 five ssjb level people if there was only going to be three ssjb level people out of the 7 other teams.

I actually find it quite crazy that people think the only non u7 characters that will be SSJB level will be Jiren,Toppo and Hit. What would be the point of the arc if the fighters are that weak and this would be a repeat of the champa arc.

Yeah, Brianne, Kale will also be SSJB level, you could throw Caulifla as well if she unlocks SSJ ikari(which put Trunks on that level).

Hit already mentioned Frost became stronger than in the U6 tournament and he hasnt unlocked Golden form yet.

If the Unknown fighter(the one >Hakaishin) is also there well there is another Blue level guy too.

The whole teamwork thing might turn into rubbish and was also used to kill time in order for the Anime Production to improve.

[precita]

Hit is probably not going to get a major role in this tournament, they already did the Goku Vs. Hit rematch not too long ago so there's no reason for another one. Also all these new fighters will have greater importance in the tournament because the writers will want to showcase them for the first time.

I wonder what they'll do with Hit. He seems rather low-key this time around. Would be nice to see Gohan beat him I guess.

[namekiansaiyan]

Hit is probably not going to get a major role in this tournament, they already did the Goku Vs. Hit rematch not too long ago so there's no reason for another one. Also all these new fighters will have greater importance in the tournament because the writers will want to showcase them for the first time.

I wonder what they'll do with Hit. He seems rather low-key this time around. Would be nice to see Gohan beat him I guess.

Hit can easily play a big role but just not have a fight with Goku.

I agree with this.

Also people are acting like the only SSB level people that will be there are just Golden Freeza,Goku,Vegeta,Hit,Gohan,Toppo,17 and Jiren. This won't even be close to being the case, the fact they made 17 and Gohan be SSB level should be proof enough. They wouldn't give u7 five ssjb level people if there was only going to be three ssjb level people out of the 7 other teams.

I actually find it quite crazy that people think the only non u7 characters that will be SSJB level will be Jiren,Toppo and Hit. What would be the point of the arc if the fighters are that weak and this would be a repeat of the champa arc.

Yeah, Brianne, Kale will also be SSJB level, you could throw Caulifla as well if she unlocks SSJ ikari(which put Trunks on that level).

Hit already mentioned Frost became stronger than in the U6 tournament and he hasnt unlocked Golden form yet.

If the Unknown fighter(the one >Hakaishin) is also there well there is another Blue level guy too.

The whole teamwork thing might turn into rubbish and was also used to kill time in order for the Anime Production to improve.

I doubt, Brianne, Kale, Caulifla and Frost are going to be as strong as you think they will be.

[TekTheNinja]

I don't see Vegeta jobbing to Jiren... Bri Bri is taking him out first

I didn't know Misaka Mikoto was competing

The crossover you never knew you wanted.

[Zamasu55]

I agree with this.

Also people are acting like the only SSB level people that will be there are just Golden Freeza,Goku,Vegeta,Hit,Gohan,Toppo,17 and Jiren. This won't even be close to being the case, the fact they made 17 and Gohan be SSB level should be proof enough. They wouldn't give u7 five ssjb level people if there was only going to be three ssjb level people out of the 7 other teams.

I actually find it quite crazy that people think the only non u7 characters that will be SSJB level will be Jiren,Toppo and Hit. What would be the point of the arc if the fighters are that weak and this would be a repeat of the champa arc.

Yeah, Brianne, Kale will also be SSJB level, you could throw Caulifla as well if she unlocks SSJ ikari(which put Trunks on that level).

Hit already mentioned Frost became stronger than in the U6 tournament and he hasnt unlocked Golden form yet.

If the Unknown fighter(the one >Hakaishin) is also there well there is another Blue level guy too.

The whole teamwork thing might turn into rubbish and was also used to kill time in order for the Anime Production to improve.

Whis was 99% talking about Jiren.

[Jigurashi]

I agree with this.

Also people are acting like the only SSB level people that will be there are just Golden Freeza,Goku,Vegeta,Hit,Gohan,Toppo,17 and Jiren. This won't even be close to being the case, the fact they made 17 and Gohan be SSB level should be proof enough. They wouldn't give u7 five ssjb level people if there was only going to be three ssjb level people out of the 7 other teams.

I actually find it quite crazy that people think the only non u7 characters that will be SSJB level will be Jiren,Toppo and Hit. What would be the point of the arc if the fighters are that weak and this would be a repeat of the champa arc.

Yeah, Brianne, Kale will also be SSJB level, you could throw Caulifla as well if she unlocks SSJ ikari(which put Trunks on that level).

Hit already mentioned Frost became stronger than in the U6 tournament and he hasnt unlocked Golden form yet.

If the Unknown fighter(the one >Hakaishin) is also there well there is another Blue level guy too.

The whole teamwork thing might turn into rubbish and was also used to kill time in order for the Anime Production to improve.

Whis was 99% talking about Jiren.

I've seen the arguments for both sides of this. One argument brought up to support it it not being Jiren is that Whis didn't mention him. But I'm always left wondering how would Whis know Jiren though?

What makes you so sure it is Jiren though?

[Zamasu55]

Yeah, Brianne, Kale will also be SSJB level, you could throw Caulifla as well if she unlocks SSJ ikari(which put Trunks on that level).

Hit already mentioned Frost became stronger than in the U6 tournament and he hasnt unlocked Golden form yet.

If the Unknown fighter(the one >Hakaishin) is also there well there is another Blue level guy too.

The whole teamwork thing might turn into rubbish and was also used to kill time in order for the Anime Production to improve.

Whis was 99% talking about Jiren.

I've seen the arguments for both sides of this. One argument brought up to support it it not being Jiren is that Whis didn't mention him. But I'm always left wondering how would Whis know Jiren though?

What makes you so sure it is Jiren though?

Who else could it be?
Whis was talking about someone partecipating in the tournament. Which universe, 11th aside, could have a mortal who's stronger than his God of destruction'?

[namekiansaiyan]

Why do so many people forget about the characters they call 'weak' and 'useless' and assume they are only going to last 2 seconds.

The characters I am talking about are: 18, Krillin, Roshi, Piccolo, Tien, Basil, Bergamo, Lavenda, Botamo, Magetta and Hit even though he is one of the strongest.

Why do many of you think they are going to do so bad and after a couple of minutes their will only be what many of you call 'SSB tier' in the arena? If not then what are they going to do as these characters just seem to be forgotten by too many people? Also, what are the upper and lower boundaries for this 'SSB tier'?

It also seems like too many people are also not taking in the rules and conditions of the tournament. What I mean is that theere is no break after every mini fight between fighters where that can have a cup of tea and a senzu bean. They will have to continue noatter how tired or injured they are. This means in theory anyone can beat another fighter in the tournament.

For example, Goku and Toppo could easily happen at the start but after the fight the winner or both ( if it is a draw or interrupted ) will probably in a bad condition so someone a lot weaker like Basil could beat them.

I just feel too many people are looking at this tournament as a traditional Dragon Ball tournament instead of what the tournament is.