I realized something odd about the Namek aging process.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:22 pm

I just noticed it. When Goku killed Piccolo Daimou, Piccolo, of course, spat the egg containing the Piccolo we all know out. First, we get some clips of Piccolo as a kid, and then, fast-forward three years, and Piccolo is a fully grown Namek. Now apparantly, the Namekian aging process is incrediblly fast, but for Dende, he first appears in the Namek saga and we don't see him again until the Cell saga which is 4 years later. How come Dende remained a little kid even after 4 years, yet it took Piccolo 3 years to become fully grown and matured? It seems odd.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:34 pm

No offense, but it's kinda bad that you now noticed. Everyone had already noticed that long ago. We all blame it on Toriyama-itis. As in Toriyama forgets crap he writes.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:36 pm

Tsukento wrote:No offense, but it's kinda bad that you now noticed. Everyone had already noticed that long ago. We all blame it on Toriyama-itis. As in Toriyama forgets crap he writes.

Whoops. Dammit. I just never really thought about it until I saw one of the Saiyan saga episodes.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:47 pm

Don't worry about it. This is really nothing surprising considering Toriyama's done it more than once where he writes something and completely forgets about it later on. Like Goku's weird psychic abilities when he arrived on Namek.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:49 pm

Piccolo's speeded age process could be do to multiple things. Him being a reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, being of demon dissention, being a warrior type Namekian, a special kind of training, or all of the above.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:53 pm

I think the moment Nappa said that Piccolo was a Namekian, we all figured out that Piccolo wasn't a demon like we all originally believed.

Don't think being a Warrior-type or special training had anything to do with his age. Otherwise, Piccolo woulda been an old prune by the time the Saiyans arrived.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:53 pm

Tsukento wrote:Don't worry about it. This is really nothing surprising considering Toriyama's done it more than once where he writes something and completely forgets about it later on. Like Goku's weird psychic abilities when he arrived on Namek.

I remember that. He never did it once after the Namek saga.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:23 pm

Tsukento wrote:I think the moment Nappa said that Piccolo was a Namekian, we all figured out that Piccolo wasn't a demon like we all originally believed.

Eh, he's a Demon in as much as Kami is a God. To me, "demon" or "god" is more of an alignment so to speak. Kami is pure good, therefore a "god" and Piccolo was/is his antithesis. Piccolo even says he is a "demon clansman," making it sound like a following more than an actual race.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:30 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Tsukento wrote:I think the moment Nappa said that Piccolo was a Namekian, we all figured out that Piccolo wasn't a demon like we all originally believed.
Eh, he's a Demon in as much as Kami is a God. To me, "demon" or "god" is more of an alignment so to speak. Kami is pure good, therefore a "god" and Piccolo was/is his antithesis. Piccolo even says he is a "demon clansman," making it sound like a following more than an actual race.

-Corey

That's how I looked at it. He's a Namek, but he's just considered a "demon."

Now, Dabura is a straight Demon, no other way to put it, but Piccolo is just aligned with the Demons. I even remember him saying that he would turn Gohan into a Demon-clansman just like him in the Jpanaese version.

Hironobu Timex · Post by **Hironobu Timex** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:50 pm

There was something about Raditz going to the other world. Did that officially mean that Piccolo was no longer a demon?

I mean its something Kami-sama was talking about with Mr. Popo, and I remember Karin-sama (in DB) saying something else about Piccolo Daimao's victims going into some kind of limbo or something.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:53 pm

Let's all not forget Dende's de-aging during the Buu Saga. He starts off older looking... and then by the time Buu blows up the Earth he's back to looking like a kid again.

As for Piccolo's fast aging I chalk it up to his "father's" wish. When King Piccolo wished for Eternal Youth he de-aged to a certain age. When he was killed he passed his own, eternally young, life force on to Piccolo. So Piccolo aged quickly to the 'eternal youth age' of his father since the wish was still in effect on him.

There was something about Raditz going to the other world. Did that officially mean that Piccolo was no longer a demon?

I mean its something Kami-sama was talking about with Mr. Popo, and I remember Karin-sama (in DB) saying something else about Piccolo Daimao's victims going into some kind of limbo or something.

Yeah, they made a big deal about that because, apparently, those killed by a demon end up in limbo and not the afterlife. So the fact Raditz went to the afterlife signaled to them that Piccolo wasn't a demon/wasn't pure evil. I think it was just forshadowing on Toriyama's part that the new Piccolo wasn't evil incarnate like his father.

testing223 · Post by **testing223** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:37 am

Doesn't Goku use the "Mind reading" ability on the trapped Fat Buu when they're inside Super Buu's body? I seem to recall that scene. Might be anime only, though.

Adey · Post by **Adey** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:01 am

I'd like to think that for the purposes of fighting Goku in those few years, he used some sort of Namek magic to age himself

Furu · Post by **Furu** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:03 pm

Haha, wow. I never noticed Dende's magically shifting age before, but in hindsight, yeah, really inconsistent.

As for Piccolo himself, it's definitely either one of those "Toriyama changed his mind" things (seeing as I'm not convinced he had the Namek thing planned out for an instant when Piccolo first showed up as "Ma Junior", runic shouting match between him and Kami or not) or just one of those off-screen fill-in-the-blank parts that make Dragonball so fun, like Yamcha's magically appearing scars.