GT vs. Super: Which is more damaging to the series' image?

[ABED]

-So Trunks in GT is a business man, Goten is a flirting teenager, in Super they're both still have the same character that we know and like from DBZ. As opposed to GT where if we didn't hear their name, I would have thought them completely different new characters. There needs to be a level of consistency in character, this is how even after Goku and Kuririn grew up we could still see the characters we knew. GT fails at this massively.

Trunks looks exactly like Trunks. Goten looks very different but given that he wasn't as driven to train as hard at the end of Z and his age, is it that big of a leap to think that he'd be a teen who wants to go on dates? In Super, they are the same characters in Z because it takes place during those same years. GT takes place a few years later. They aren't completely different. We saw Goku and Kuririn grow up. Your issue seems like you are looking for yet another reason to complain when there isn't any.

[Kanassa]

Rewatching GT is a pain in the ass. I'm quite sure nostalgia is blinding GT fans (and Z fans to a lesser extent).

No, stop that. People have different opinions and can enjoy different aspects. The 'Oh, you're just blinded by nostalgia. That's all!" is a bullshit and meaningless argument that should be dismissed. I hate GT. I love Super. But I know that people have legitimate reasons to enjoy each over the other.

[Dbzfan94]

I still can't get how fans can compare Super and GT with a straight face. Rewatching GT is a pain in the ass. I'm quite sure nostalgia is blinding GT fans (and Z fans to a lesser extent)

This couldnt be further from the truth. I hated GT as a kid but going back and rewatching it in my teen-adult years made me enjoy it quite a lot actually.

[Dbzfan94]

-So Trunks in GT is a business man, Goten is a flirting teenager, in Super they're both still have the same character that we know and like from DBZ. As opposed to GT where if we didn't hear their name, I would have thought them completely different new characters. There needs to be a level of consistency in character, this is how even after Goku and Kuririn grew up we could still see the characters we knew. GT fails at this massively.

I say this as a huge Goten fan, adding something new to his character was more than welcome. He was talking about dates in the end of Z anyway, so it''s not a stretch for them to go down that path with him in GT. my thoughts about his GT design aside, I dont see whats wrong with expanding elements that were only briefly shown in a character previously.

[ABED]

The 'Oh, you're just blinded by nostalgia. That's all!" is a bullshit and meaningless argument that should be dismissed.

It is a legit argument as some people are in fact blinded to something's quality simply because they loved it when they were younger.

[Spencer_23]

I enjoyed GT for the most part and have liked Super so far. What's funny is in real life everyone I know likes both series, but when you go online there's some hate, kinda crazy imo

GT :

Cons - power scaling (not as bad as Super tho), side characters irrelevant, weak execution of solid arc ideas, too short.

Pros - SS4, cool fights, everyone actually aged, GREAT arc ideas, Bebi's character, great ending to the series

Super :

Cons - power scaling, lack of serious stakes (or at least the sense of danger isn't there), too much Frieza, transformations are bland, Trunks/Goten not aging, seems real fan servicey

Pros - great new characters (Beerus/Whis, Cabba, Zeno, Hit etc), more "fun" than GT, side characters more relevant

[sangofe]

Rewatching GT is a pain in the ass. I'm quite sure nostalgia is blinding GT fans (and Z fans to a lesser extent).

No, stop that. People have different opinions and can enjoy different aspects. The 'Oh, you're just blinded by nostalgia. That's all!" is a bullshit and meaningless argument that should be dismissed. I hate GT. I love Super. But I know that people have legitimate reasons to enjoy each over the other.

Revisiting GT actually makes me appreciate it more, especially for its consistently beautiful hand drawn art. When you compare that to super's super inconsistent art... For me, GT wins when it comes to the art but loses in most of the story execution. None are especially damaging to reputation.

[emperior]

I still can't get how fans can compare Super and GT with a straight face. Rewatching GT is a pain in the ass. I'm quite sure nostalgia is blinding GT fans (and Z fans to a lesser extent)

This couldnt be further from the truth. I hated GT as a kid but going back and rewatching it in my teen-adult years made me enjoy it quite a lot actually.

To each his own, I guess. I would just like it if people who say they prefer GT rewatched it, like you did. If someone rewatched ALL of GT (so no skipping through the Black Star DBs arc) and still believes GT is better than Super, then I'm fine. As long as they provide their reasoning.

As I said, nostalgia is also blinding DBZ fans. Some people just forget how much DBZ dragged. In fact now that Kai exists it doesn't make much sense to watch Z over it.

[sangofe]

The Pilaf saga just wasn't very good at all, the only canon saga I'd say that for. It started off just fine in the first few chapters, it was from when Oolong was introduced up until the end of the saga was the low point of the series.

Which of course is why Toriyama changed it up considerably for the next saga.

The RRA saga was alright but that was about it. The King Piccolo Saga was better but still not that great. Then all you had inbetween were Tournaments which were great.

That sums up the original Dragon Ball. Villain after the Dragon Balls, Tournament, Villain after the Dragon Balls, Tournament, Villain after the Dragon Balls, Tournament.

Z > Super > Original > GT

I absolutely loved the king piccolo saga. Rra was a bit too long. Most of DB was great. In my opinion, DB is the best, then Z, then super just above GT, but they're so different and got very different pros and cons that it's difficult to say which one is better because of what's good and bad about them.

[FortuneSSJ]

Damaging the series' image? Definitely Dragon Ball Evolution!

Both Super and GT are masterpieces when compared to that.

Now that hating Super is the new thing, a lot of GT fans came out of the closet and finally admit they like GT.

However Super has a lot of fans and it's becoming something really big. Its success is undeniable when you see the insane amount of money the franchise is doing nowadays.

Unfortunately the same thing can't be said about Dragon Ball Evolution.
It was hated when it came out and it's still hated nowadays. Every fan that bought a ticket to watch that trash should be refunded and receive a formal apology.

I never saw a DB fan saying with a straight face that was a good DB movie and the movie came out almost 10 years ago.

Quoting the writer Ben Ramsey:

To have something with my name on it as the writer be so globally reviled is gut wrenching. To receive hate mail from all over the world is heartbreaking.

"I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off..."

Fortunately, it was offensive enough to piss off Toriyama and bring him back to give me cool new stuff. A blessing in disguise, but good Lord the movie is terrible!