Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I distinctly remember it being stated in the manga that Earth was the last planet months ago and I don't remember that ever being said in the anime.
And I do read the manga.

I don't actually think it was said in either, but the better fansubs of DBS back when Episode 61 aired (Batman?) phrased it in such a way where that was the implication.

[MisteryOne]

What...? It's the exact opposite. The Zamasus said that once Earth falled their plan would be completed. On the other hand, in the manga Future Zamasu suggested to kill all the Earthlings and move to another planet before Zeno noticed them, and they did it, but Gowasu, Shin, Mai and Trunks appeared (and later Goku and Vegeta) so they didn't leave despite having killed all the humans.

So it's a giant plot hole for the anime actually. Specially considering how weak Black was before fighting Goku, being around SS3 level and not having the ability to transform.
( I wonder if someday people will actually read the manga before calling nonsenses or sprending misinformation btw)

I distinctly remember it being stated in the manga that Earth was the last planet months ago and I don't remember that ever being said in the anime.
And I do read the manga.

Then you remember it bad. It's clearly said in the chapter when Black stabs Gowasu, that they still had more planets to clean so they should move before Zeno notices them. Future Zamasu suggested it while they were on their hideout and Black was drinking tea IIRC. Zamasu has his arms crossed in that scene if that helps. Just after that they kill the rest of the survivors of the planet (Trunks and Mai were at Kaioshin planet)

Pretty sure it was said in the anime that once Earthlings dissapeared their Zero Ningen Plan would be completed. I don't see how that doesn't mean Earth was not the last planet.

[ArchedThunder]

Then you remember it bad. It's clearly said in the chapter when Black stabs Gowasu, that they still had more planets to clean so they should move before Zeno notices them. Future Zamasu suggested it while they were on their hideout and Black was drinking tea IIRC. Zamasu has his arms crossed in that scene if that helps. Just after that they kill the rest of the survivors of the planet (Trunks and Mai were at Kaioshin planet)

Pretty sure it was said in the anime that once Earthlings dissapeared their Zero Ningen Plan would be completed. I don't see how that doesn't mean Earth was not the last planet.

I checked and I must have remembered wrong. The anime doesn't say it either though, in 61 they say that they have killed countless mortals before and that humans were the next race, then in 65 Merged Zamasu says that he will wipe out all remaining life today to complete the plan, but he doesn't specify on Earth or anything like that and with the immense power he had he could probably do it even if there are tons of planets left in the mutiverse.
So I guess it isn't an issue in the anime or manga and we were both wrong, lol.
Also the Future Trunks arc looks a lot worse than I remembered, it's crazy how much better the show looks now.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Also the Future Trunks arc looks a lot worse than I remembered, it's crazy how much better the show looks now.

It's crazy how skeptical we were about the initial changes in Super's aesthetic with the current arc. Going back now, everything before 77 looks so... incomplete?

[Ajay]

Yeah, absolutely. I really enjoyed that arc, but as I noted back then too, it was seriously struggling to hold itself together, especially towards the end.

I was super apprehensive about the filter towards the start of this arc. Always loved the line work, even if it's sometimes imperfect, but the excessive bloom and contrast really put me off, particularly seeing some of the darker details being crushed.

My opinion's definitely evolved since then. Not only have they used the filter to create some really unique atmosphere, but it's helped mask Super's poor compositing really well. There's depth to the image now!

If Nagamine doesn't stick around, I'll be very curious to see how the aesthetic changes, if at all.

[emperior]

The filter has definitely been toned down though. The true blessing is the lineart work, which I believe masks some art imperfections here and there and makes good drawings even better. I really hope Nagamine is here to stay until the end of Super.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The filter has definitely been toned down though.

I thought so to, until I actually looked through the episodes. The filter has actually been pretty consistent since day one. Our eyes are what adjusted.

[emperior]

The filter has definitely been toned down though.

I thought so to, until I actually looked through the episodes. The filter has actually been pretty consistent since day one. Our eyes are what adjusted.

Are you sure? I believe that, at the very least, the filter was stronger in episode 77.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The filter has definitely been toned down though.

I thought so to, until I actually looked through the episodes. The filter has actually been pretty consistent since day one. Our eyes are what adjusted.

Are you sure? I believe that, at the very least, the filter was stronger in episode 77.

It might be a tad stronger, but on the whole, it only varies depending on the location and weather, not episode number.

[Ajay]

It's the same from the few tests I've done. The main difference is that most of the scenes on Earth are set at night now, so you're not seeing the same type of filter found in those earlier episodes. It's far more subdued in the evening.

Of course, now that we're at the arena, it's back in full force!

[Hit!!]

Yeah but there's some additional polishing being done now other than the filter.

I believe that the lighting now is much more consistent and well done than before. Even in the black arc. Note how Golden Frieza in the ROF arc didn't have all that golden shine that he had in episode 94 and 95. Also when he turned Golden in hell with Goku, you could see the purple backround being reflected on his body. But back in the ROF arc, that didn't exist in Super.

Look at this comparison:

Golden Frieza episode 25

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Goruden Furiza in episode 93

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[Jinzoningen MULE]

Yeah but there's some additional polishing being done now other than the filter.

I believe that the lighting now is much more consistent and well done than before. Even in the black arc. Note how Golden Frieza in the ROF arc didn't have all that golden shine that he had in episode 94 and 95. Also when he turned Golden in hell with Goku, you could see the purple backround being reflected on his body. But back in the ROF arc, that didn't exist in Super.

Look at this comparison:

Golden Frieza episode 25

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Goruden Furiza in episode 93

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These specific comparisons don't really work, since the later was much more abstract of a scene than anything in RoF. Though I don't think anyone could disagree that lighting, shading, colors, etc. have improved dramatically as of late.

[emperior]

I feel like lately the characters blend a lot better with the background. As for those Freezer shots above from episode 25 I had no complains. You found the best shots from Golden Freezer in the RoF arc though. He looked bad most of the times.

[Noah]

Not having breaks in July to help the schedule more sucks, but they know what they are doing.

Not quite, times like this is what separate the men from the boys. We'll see who can handle the pressure of a tight schedule and yet put a good work on it.

[Mazingerdestro]

Not having breaks in July to help the schedule more sucks, but they know what they are doing.

Not quite, times like this is what separate the men from the boys. We'll see who can handle the pressure of a tight schedule and yet put a good work on it.

It was never a matter of hard work. Every team that works on Super are giving 110%. They have proved that they are real men when they took so much shit from the internet but didn't reply negatively and instead worked harder to reach the level they are now. It was always a schedule issue. Breaks won't save the series but they are crucial. Breaks and fillers are the reason the series is getting better

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

The schedule has indeed been improved, and that's always a good news, but I want to say that the main issue right now, the one Ajay has stated in the other thread, is that there aren't enough animators to help out the Super staff. It's definitely tough, but outsourcing the episodes do help a lot. They have introduced second key animators in the Future Trunks arc, but that's more of negative than positive, because it's a sign that talented key animators are scrambling key frames to move on to next project they are working on quickly.

But things have improved since Nagamine took the reign. We are seeing less 2nd key animators. We haven't seen Higashide do key animation nearly every episode nowadays. The animation supervisors are more comfortable with the position they are currently in. It's a stark contrast to what they were doing in the first three arcs, and to the lesser extent, Future Trunks arc. One of the animators said that the key animators were very limited in drawing movements in the Champa arc, but it looks like they can do that now.

There's also different (good) touches by Nagamine that made the series look completely different. The darker filter and thick line works were by his doing. The narrative, composition, storyboard, and characterization are also stronger and better than before. He is one of the biggest directors in Toei and it really shows that. He brings out the best in each staff that works on the show. It's like a new series. Interestingly, he also directed Ultimate Blast opening, so it's no wonder his touch has been felt very strong. Interesting thing to note is that he seemed to have told Yamamuro to lay off the talented animators' drawings. Yamamuro's correction had been very minimal in the opening.

It sucks that the series opened the curtain to the very bad start, but at least the current arc shows a lot of improvements, and hopefully future's arcs will line up better with the older series. The future looks bright, but the schedule will still be an issue no matter how hard the director tries to change things up, unless the show is cancelled and plan for new series.

[ArchedThunder]

It sucks that the series opened the curtain to the very bad start, but at least the current arc shows a lot of improvements, and hopefully future's arcs will line up better with the older series. The future looks bright, but the schedule will still be an issue no matter how hard the director tries to change things up, unless the show is cancelled and plan for new series.

In all honestly I personally don't think this is true. As time goes on the show will continue to improve its production and grow its stable of talent. It's certainly going to be harder to get the show to total normalcy since it has to keep going, but if things keep improving as it has been and we keep getting new staff then I think it's more a matter of when, not if. When that time comes is certainly something we won't know till it happens, but as the show shows no sign of stopping I have zero doubt that that day will come.

[Hit!!]

I feel like lately the characters blend a lot better with the background. As for those Freezer shots above from episode 25 I had no complains. You found the best shots from Golden Freezer in the RoF arc though. He looked bad most of the times.

Yeah i used the best shots of Frieza because i didn't want anyone to complain about me nitpicking the worst shots and making an unfair comparison. But as Jinzoningen said, i doubt anybody would disagree that Frieza had better lighting in episodes 93 - 95 than in the whole RoF arc.

[MisteryOne]

Then you remember it bad. It's clearly said in the chapter when Black stabs Gowasu, that they still had more planets to clean so they should move before Zeno notices them. Future Zamasu suggested it while they were on their hideout and Black was drinking tea IIRC. Zamasu has his arms crossed in that scene if that helps. Just after that they kill the rest of the survivors of the planet (Trunks and Mai were at Kaioshin planet)

Pretty sure it was said in the anime that once Earthlings dissapeared their Zero Ningen Plan would be completed. I don't see how that doesn't mean Earth was not the last planet.

I checked and I must have remembered wrong. The anime doesn't say it either though, in 61 they say that they have killed countless mortals before and that humans were the next race, then in 65 Merged Zamasu says that he will wipe out all remaining life today to complete the plan, but he doesn't specify on Earth or anything like that and with the immense power he had he could probably do it even if there are tons of planets left in the mutiverse.
So I guess it isn't an issue in the anime or manga and we were both wrong, lol.
Also the Future Trunks arc looks a lot worse than I remembered, it's crazy how much better the show looks now.

Really? I trough Black said it on episode 61. My bad then

The interesting thing about the anime FT arc is that every time I rewatch certain scenes I notice how bad it actually looks, while the first time I usually thought it looked decent. It's still definetly better than the Champa arc, but it's still below average Z and the level that this actual arc apparently has.


This has made me curious about something. To anyone interested in answer this...What is your favourite episode so far in terms of just animation or art? Ignore the plot and every other element, just think about pure animation or specific shots.

[emperior]

My favorite episodes in terms of animation and art are: 13, 16, 38, 56, 66, 86, 94, 95

47 and 57 would also be in the list but those had way too many rough drawings unfortunately. 47 was very good apart from modern day scenes, which were rough.

If I have to choose just one episode, it would be episode 66