"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nero<>Akira]

The manga probably hinted at this with Completed Blue so I'm just gonna assume it's Goku forcing Blue + KK completely into his body.

the manga thing is stupid considering super saiyan blue is already supposed to be a master form of ki control and tranquility. that's officially what it is. made no sense that Toyotaro to do that.

[MisteryOne]

A new transformation for Goku, what a novel idea! Wait..., Oozaru, Kaioken, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG, SSJB, Kaioken SSJB; oh!

I'm not excited at all for it. It's possible to make a new transformation interesting, I just really doubt it's going to happen here. Why can't they at least develop the current transformations, like it was done with the original SSJ and Blue in the manga. Offer struggles and dilemmas, make the end product much more rewarding than power up to save the day.

Blue shouldn't even have been a thing, when we had SSJ God.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was devopled and mastered in the anime. The manga version just sucks and had all those drawbacks to justify Super Saiyan God.

You mean to justify why Goku and Vegeta didn't just used SSB when they were fighting the U6 fighters apart from Hit. The anime just sucks and created false tension in the Magetta fight when Vegeta could just have used SSB and one shot him. It also makes Goku's line of SSB wasting his energy stupid, and I seriously doubt that didn't come from Toriyama. Not to mention the whole "strongest and OP transformation has drawbacks" is typical Toriyama, and this also allowed Toyotaro to create a mastered version that justified Goku being on par with Merged Zamasu, which also happened in the anime with zero explanations since Goku surpassed him in a beam clash which is pure bullshit since he should be weaker than both Black and Vegeta.

[MisteryOne]

The manga probably hinted at this with Completed Blue so I'm just gonna assume it's Goku forcing Blue + KK completely into his body.

the manga thing is stupid considering super saiyan blue is already supposed to be a master form of ki control and tranquility. that's officially what it is. made no sense that Toyotaro to do that.

That was just said in the anime, it doesn't make it the official explanatiom. Going by your own logic here, why did Toei do that? Specially when SSB is supposed to waste energy as Goku himself said when fighting Hit in both anime and manga.

[MisteryOne]

I didn't know you had a crystal ball that told you it won't be explained.

Then please enlighten me what Super Saiyan Rage is, oh great sage.

This form is probably created by Toriyama, so is not a good comparison at all. The poster itself talks about a power of the gods. It's obviously going to be explained this time.

[Xeztin]

Is the visual actually his form that we will get?

[Lord Beerus]

A new transformation for Goku, what a novel idea! Wait..., Oozaru, Kaioken, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG, SSJB, Kaioken SSJB; oh!

I'm not excited at all for it. It's possible to make a new transformation interesting, I just really doubt it's going to happen here. Why can't they at least develop the current transformations, like it was done with the original SSJ and Blue in the manga. Offer struggles and dilemmas, make the end product much more rewarding than power up to save the day.

Blue shouldn't even have been a thing, when we had SSJ God.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was devopled and mastered in the anime. The manga version just sucks and had all those drawbacks to justify Super Saiyan God.

You mean to justify why Goku and Vegeta didn't just used SSB when they were fighting the U6 fighters apart from Hit. The anime just sucks and created false tension in the Magetta fight when Vegeta could just have used SSB and one shot him. It also makes Goku's line of SSB wasting his energy stupid, and I seriously doubt that didn't come from Toriyama. Not to mention the whole "strongest and OP transformation has drawbacks" is typical Toriyama, and this also allowed Toyotaro to create a mastered version that justified Goku being on par with Merged Zamasu, which also happened in the anime with zero explanations since Goku surpassed him in a beam clash which is pure bullshit since he should be weaker than both Black and Vegeta.

Considering Magetta was damn near indestructable and noselling all of Vegeta's attacks, I'd wager even SSJB Vegeta wouldn't have been able to do much against him. And in the only reason Goku wins the beam clash with Merged Zamasu is becuase he overclcked SSJB when he went full power. Hell, he exherted so much more strength than usual in that Kamehameha while as a SSJB against Merged Zamasu, he broke both of his arms.

[Nero<>Akira]

The manga probably hinted at this with Completed Blue so I'm just gonna assume it's Goku forcing Blue + KK completely into his body.

the manga thing is stupid considering super saiyan blue is already supposed to be a master form of ki control and tranquility. that's officially what it is. made no sense that Toyotaro to do that.

That was just said in the anime, it doesn't make it the official explanatiom. Going by your own logic here, why did Toei do that? Specially when SSB is supposed to waste energy as Goku himself said when fighting Hit in both anime and manga.

But.. it is the official explanation. that's what Super Saiyan Blue is. every form is gonna have draw backs if not mastered properly. by the time the Black arc starts, he can pretty much use Blue without using too much energy. i mean... it's an extremely powerful form. that was the point in F arc too in regards to Freeza's Golden form. the only reason it's not as bad with Blue is because the nature of the form is complete ki mastery.

[HeroR]

*sigh* yet another new form for Goku/for Saiyans/that won't be explained? How many transformations they will give for Goku? Why don't they just give Piccolo a transformation?

Namekians don't transform. Saiyans do since the Great Ape.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Is the visual actually his form that we will get?

No. The visual is Goku trying to achieve the form as per the producers comment. Basically imagine someone screen capped Goku going SS for the first time with his hair standing but not gold yet and add some light gold aura to tease SS, it's like that.

His actual form's silhouette is shown the OP:
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As you can see it looks completely different to any of his current forms.

[HeroR]

A new transformation for Goku, what a novel idea! Wait..., Oozaru, Kaioken, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG, SSJB, Kaioken SSJB; oh!

I'm not excited at all for it. It's possible to make a new transformation interesting, I just really doubt it's going to happen here. Why can't they at least develop the current transformations, like it was done with the original SSJ and Blue in the manga. Offer struggles and dilemmas, make the end product much more rewarding than power up to save the day.

Blue shouldn't even have been a thing, when we had SSJ God.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was devopled and mastered in the anime. The manga version just sucks and had all those drawbacks to justify Super Saiyan God.

It wasn't developed in the anime. Blue in the anime is a form with perfect Ki control, if they needed to master it they didn't bother tell us or offering any plot points because of it. They simply had it by the time of the U6 tournament.

The manga gave it meaning(no matter if people like it or not), it offered handicaps, used them in the stories and forced the characters to have something to strive for while showing off their strong points. That's development.

As I said, it was devopled since it's mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with God ki. Since they have already mastered Super Saiyan, it makes little sense to remaster it again.

The manga just made Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 3 with God ki with all its stamina issues.

[Lord Beerus]

The manga just made Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 3 with God ki with all its stamina issues.

That's way too many Super Saiyan's man. You'll kill somebody with that name!

[bleed0range]

Is the visual actually his form that we will get?

No. The visual is Goku trying to achieve the form as per the producers comment. Basically imagine someone screen capped Goku going SS for the first time with his hair standing but not gold yet and add some light gold aura to tease SS, it's like that.

His actual form's silhouette is shown the OP:
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As you can see it looks completely different to any of his current forms.

What exactly is different about it? It looks like super saiyan to me. How do we know that that is actually the form in the OP anyway? It might not actually be the form.

[Ki Breaker]

The manga just made Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 3 with God ki with all its stamina issues.

That's way too many Super Saiyan's man. You'll kill somebody with that name!

That's the plan secret plan against jiren
let's see how jiren handles the explanation keeping his sanity intact now

[perucho1990]

You mean to justify why Goku and Vegeta didn't just used SSB when they were fighting the U6 fighters apart from Hit. The anime just sucks and created false tension in the Magetta fight when Vegeta could just have used SSB and one shot him. It also makes Goku's line of SSB wasting his energy stupid, and I seriously doubt that didn't come from Toriyama. Not to mention the whole "strongest and OP transformation has drawbacks" is typical Toriyama, and this also allowed Toyotaro to create a mastered version that justified Goku being on par with Merged Zamasu, which also happened in the anime with zero explanations since Goku surpassed him in a beam clash which is pure bullshit since he should be weaker than both Black and Vegeta.

IIRC Vegeta said that he wanted to keep it a secret from Hit, yes everyone knew Veggie shouldve used Blue when he was struggling, even Goku questioned Vegeta for not using SSJB.

"strongest and OP transformation has drawbacks" was Kaioken, and actually was for the better because it didnt nerf Hit, the use of SSJB also made Black and Zamasu look like jokes in the manga.

Goku surpassed Merged Zamasu...at the cost of breaking both of his arms.

Vegeta and Trunks couldve done that too.. if they want to cripple themselves like Goku

[kinisking]

I didn't know you had a crystal ball that told you it won't be explained.

Then please enlighten me what Super Saiyan Rage is, oh great sage.

A transformation brought along by... Wait for it.. rage.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Is the visual actually his form that we will get?

No. The visual is Goku trying to achieve the form as per the producers comment. Basically imagine someone screen capped Goku going SS for the first time with his hair standing but not gold yet and add some light gold aura to tease SS, it's like that.

His actual form's silhouette is shown the OP:
[spoiler]
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As you can see it looks completely different to any of his current forms.

What exactly is different about it? It looks like super saiyan to me. How do we know that that is actually the form in the OP anyway? It might not actually be the form.

It's obviously the form teased in the OP otherwise why would they do that, the red and white steam aura aswell.

Also it is completely different, comparison:
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As you can see Goku has a lot more bangs on the front in this new form. The hair also seems to bigger, sharper and more refined.

[Wilderness]

edit - please delete

[Araki]

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan was devopled and mastered in the anime. The manga version just sucks and had all those drawbacks to justify Super Saiyan God.

It wasn't developed in the anime. Blue in the anime is a form with perfect Ki control, if they needed to master it they didn't bother tell us or offering any plot points because of it. They simply had it by the time of the U6 tournament.

The manga gave it meaning(no matter if people like it or not), it offered handicaps, used them in the stories and forced the characters to have something to strive for while showing off their strong points. That's development.

As I said, it was devopled since it's mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with God ki. Since they have already mastered Super Saiyan, it makes little sense to remaster it again.

The manga just made Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 3 with God ki with all its stamina issues.

Toyotaro gave SSB drawbacks that weren't mentioned at all in RoF and make Goku and Vegeta look stupid for making fun of Freeza's stamina issues mastering Golden. Just another example of typical Toyotaro BS.

[perucho1990]

What Toyo needs is a great editors and around 10 assistants once Toriyama retires for good.

At least someone of the Caliber of Toshio and beyond and the franchise will be in good hands, we wont get to see has beens like Roshi or the likes of Tenshinhan fighting anymore.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It wasn't developed in the anime. Blue in the anime is a form with perfect Ki control, if they needed to master it they didn't bother tell us or offering any plot points because of it. They simply had it by the time of the U6 tournament.

The manga gave it meaning(no matter if people like it or not), it offered handicaps, used them in the stories and forced the characters to have something to strive for while showing off their strong points. That's development.

As I said, it was devopled since it's mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with God ki. Since they have already mastered Super Saiyan, it makes little sense to remaster it again.

The manga just made Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 3 with God ki with all its stamina issues.

Toyotaro gave SSB drawbacks that weren't mentioned at all in RoF and make Goku and Vegeta look stupid for making fun of Freeza's stamina issues mastering Golden. Just another example of typical Toyotaro BS.

Not even that, prior to the chapter there was no mention at least from what I remember of SSGSS being un-mastered, he basically retroactively made SSGSS un mastered to then make Goku suddenly "master" it all so he can go up against Zamasu now all of which was frivolous anyway since the following chapter it didn't accomplish a thing! Smh at how people think this is great writing.