"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

Attempt at a front view by youngjijiii on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/youngjijii/status/8 ... 4407389185
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The hair certainly looks different from SSJ.

I like it. It's like a mixture of a little bit of everything.

I really am curious about the eyes. I'm guessing purple ssjg right now.

[vashter]

Lol 17 got strong from fighting poachers on some random island ffs. Thats awful.

Think about what training and fights goku has done/been involved with since the cell saga. No one bar vegeta should be anywhere close.

And please done say 17 has potential. hate that shit.

IMO the whole potential stuff is the main reason why Goten and Trunks are being omitted in DBS, because if they train they will become OP as hell like Gohan and Mirai Trunks did after hours of training.

I agree that 17 has the worst excuse in reaching Blue tier.

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

[perucho1990]

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

The same Goku that said Roshi was good while not holding back despite Toshio saying Yurin boosted Roshi.

Dont take Gokus words to 100%, He is now as credible as Shin.

They shouldve mentioned 17 got stronger via something else like mental training(thats what Gohan did).

We are just 24 hours left from the start of the ToP, based on the spoilers, either Ganos or Murichim will be first people eliminated.

And out of U7, Tenshinhan might be out in episode 98(he should at least detect Damon whereabout before he gets eliminated).

[vashter]

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

The same Goku that said Roshi was good while not holding back despite Toshio saying Yurin boosted Roshi.

Dont take Gokus words to 100%, He is now as credible as Shin.

They shouldve mentioned 17 got stronger via something else like mental training(thats what Gohan did).

We are just 24 hours left from the start of the ToP, based on the spoilers, either Ganos or Murichim will be first people eliminated.

And out of U7, Tenshinhan might be out in episode 98(he should at least detect Damon whereabout before he gets eliminated).

Goku was just motivation them to get them pump up for TOP make them feel more confidence than goku himself he already knew he has something in his sleeve whole damn time.

[MainJPW]

Goku was just motivation them to get them pump up for TOP make them feel more confidence than goku himself he already knew he has something in his sleeve whole damn time.

And what is there to insist 17 isn't god tier outside of speculating?

What we saw between Goku and 17, coupled in with statements says otherwise. And besides 17 had no prior knowledge of SSJB before fighting Goku, so I hardly see how Goku would have used that form to motivate him. Goku could have just as easily used SSJ2 or SSJ3 to motivate 17 if he felt he could take 17 in one of his lower forms. According to Goku, that didn't seem to be the case.

Your entire argument would have worked if 17 himself wasn't holding back as well.

[TheMikado]

^ so why use SSB to motivate Krillin?

[MainJPW]

so why use SSB to motivate Krillin?

I...don't know.

Going back to Toshio's tweet, he says that Goku uses the form to motivate the warriors, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense especially in the case of 17. And it's not like going Blue against Kuririn will somehow help him compete with god tier fighters, he'd just end up getting one shotted sooner rather than later.

[DainIronfoot]

so why use SSB to motivate Krillin?

I...don't know.

Going back to Toshio's tweet, he says that Goku uses the form to motivate the warriors, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense especially in the case of 17. And it's not like going Blue against Kuririn will somehow help him compete with god tier fighters, he'd just end up getting one shotted sooner rather than later.

It's already been long described for people, if one still doesn't understand the reasoning for Goku using it on Kuririn, then they likely won't get it no matter how much you break it down. I had detailed it in full myself on that episode thread for it.

Anyways, I'm really excited for a diff tweet Toshio made involving a great fight with an evolved Hit .

[Lord Frieza]

so why use SSB to motivate Krillin?

I...don't know.

Going back to Toshio's tweet, he says that Goku uses the form to motivate the warriors, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense especially in the case of 17. And it's not like going Blue against Kuririn will somehow help him compete with god tier fighters, he'd just end up getting one shotted sooner rather than later.

It's already been long described for people, if one still doesn't understand the reasoning for Goku using it on Kuririn, then they likely won't get it no matter how much you break it down. I had detailed it in full myself on that episode thread for it.

Anyways, I'm really excited for a diff tweet Toshio made involving a great fight with an evolved Hit .

Nice to know Hit not been slacking, hopefully he wont be jobbing this arc.....unless he gets in a fight with Jiren.

[MainJPW]

It's already been long described for people, if one still doesn't understand the reasoning for Goku using it on Kuririn, then they likely won't get it no matter how much you break it down. I had detailed it in full myself on that episode thread for it.

Anyways, I'm really excited for a diff tweet Toshio made involving a great fight with an evolved Hit .

Okay....I didn't see it.

Anyway, yeah. I wonder what he means by "evolved Hit", will his abilities not be hindered by the void or what?

[Lord Frieza]

It's already been long described for people, if one still doesn't understand the reasoning for Goku using it on Kuririn, then they likely won't get it no matter how much you break it down. I had detailed it in full myself on that episode thread for it.

Anyways, I'm really excited for a diff tweet Toshio made involving a great fight with an evolved Hit .

Okay....I didn't see it.

Anyway, yeah. I wonder what he means by "evolved Hit", will his abilities not be hindered by the void or what?

Well it looks like it might not be a problem.

The ring produces its own gravity, which means it has mass/energy and likely has its own pocket of normal space/time around it which Hit can use. Should he fall into the void or the ring be badly damaged.....well then it might be a problem for him.

Also he might have been able to restore his pocket dimension were he stores his skipped time, which means he's carrying some "time" with him if the ring has none.

[HeroR]

Lol 17 got strong from fighting poachers on some random island ffs. Thats awful.

Think about what training and fights goku has done/been involved with since the cell saga. No one bar vegeta should be anywhere close.

And please done say 17 has potential. hate that shit.

IMO the whole potential stuff is the main reason why Goten and Trunks are being omitted in DBS, because if they train they will become OP as hell like Gohan and Mirai Trunks did after hours of training.

I agree that 17 has the worst excuse in reaching Blue tier.

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

17 was holding back too.

[vashter]

so why use SSB to motivate Krillin?

I...don't know.

Going back to Toshio's tweet, he says that Goku uses the form to motivate the warriors, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense especially in the case of 17. And it's not like going Blue against Kuririn will somehow help him compete with god tier fighters, he'd just end up getting one shotted sooner rather than later.

^^^^^^^^ also Krillin is a pussy he always afraid of shit, I believe it why goku went SSB just to make krillin wake up.

[HeroR]

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

The same Goku that said Roshi was good while not holding back despite Toshio saying Yurin boosted Roshi.

Dont take Gokus words to 100%, He is now as credible as Shin.

They shouldve mentioned 17 got stronger via something else like mental training(thats what Gohan did).

We are just 24 hours left from the start of the ToP, based on the spoilers, either Ganos or Murichim will be first people eliminated.

And out of U7, Tenshinhan might be out in episode 98(he should at least detect Damon whereabout before he gets eliminated).

Toshio didn't write that episode, so his words are quite frankly meaningless.

[Ki Breaker]

I thought there is no one that can come in the way though (jk).

Yeah, there kinda isn't..
jiren himself could stop fighting him to save one of his team members, it's not anyone coming In the way, it's a conscious decision to stop fighting even if they start..

The thing is we don't know. They could start fighting as early as tomorrow's episode or as late as the end of TOP.

Yeah, let's drop it, not really leading anywhere without more information

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So Super Saiyan Blue is totally worthless then? It was supposed to be the characters with God power, now there's something above it?

Don't see how you come to that logic, SSGSS is just a Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan, If Goku has found something stronger than SSG as a base so then fusing that with SS will logically result in something stronger. Don't see how having god ki in SSGSS the same way he did in SSG makes SSGSS suddenly "worthless" especially since we literally know nothing. God3>SSGSS>SSG, the same way SS3>SS2>SS1Variants>SS1. Does SS3 with all its handicaps suddenly make all previous SS forms worthless? No.

[emperior]

I would like it if this time they go the manga route with this new form. A new super powerful form that needs to be completely mastered to get the most out of it. It would be great. If the design and explanation are good (It seems like the design is going to be awesome and not a recolour), then I want this to be the ultimate form. After it, I want Goku and Vegeta to surpass the Gods through further mastery of the form, new techniques etc... but no more transformations.

[Lapislettuce]

THANK GOD goku has a new transformation. Would be silly for the likes of 17 and gohan to catch up with him after doing barely any serious training or going trhogh the things goku and vegeta have.

Goku should always stand alone.

We don't know what kind of training 17 did, and from the looks of it Goku's new transformation is going to be random i don't see how it is from "serious training" but i agree Goku should always have stand alone since he's the main character that way fans of the other characters would know their place i guess.

Lol 17 got strong from fighting poachers on some random island ffs. Thats awful.

Think about what training and fights goku has done/been involved with since the cell saga. No one bar vegeta should be anywhere close.

And please done say 17 has potential. hate that shit.

When the creator of the show you're watching says 17 has an enormous potential you have got to accept it either you "hate" or love it, besides you don't know how he trained so don't twist stuff and creat things that aren't there based on your personal headcanon ! Frieza reached god level by training for 3 months with FODDER i don't see how does that makes any more sense than 17's power up. out of all the recent power ups 17's one makes most sense.

[Lapislettuce]

Lol 17 got strong from fighting poachers on some random island ffs. Thats awful.

Think about what training and fights goku has done/been involved with since the cell saga. No one bar vegeta should be anywhere close.

And please done say 17 has potential. hate that shit.

IMO the whole potential stuff is the main reason why Goten and Trunks are being omitted in DBS, because if they train they will become OP as hell like Gohan and Mirai Trunks did after hours of training.

I agree that 17 has the worst excuse in reaching Blue tier.

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

That's a terrible argument first 17 was holding back too, second Goku himself said he didn't intend to use ssb against 17 so in a way he pushed him to, and third 17 wasn't even there when Goku said the Frieza comment and he didn't mention Beerus either does that mean Beerus can't take on Frieza too ?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Lol 17 got strong from fighting poachers on some random island ffs. Thats awful.

Think about what training and fights goku has done/been involved with since the cell saga. No one bar vegeta should be anywhere close.

And please done say 17 has potential. hate that shit.

IMO the whole potential stuff is the main reason why Goten and Trunks are being omitted in DBS, because if they train they will become OP as hell like Gohan and Mirai Trunks did after hours of training.

I agree that 17 has the worst excuse in reaching Blue tier.

Lol yet goku said him or vegeta can take out freeza, Freeza was proven be 3rd strongest, 17 isn't even close to one of them... goku was even holding back again against 17 on purpose >_> idk what you are crying about.

That is just the personality of Goku plus he has KK. The episode clearly showed Frieza is at the same level as his Standard Blue. Vegeta may or may not be stronger depending how his Blue compares. I do think Frieza is a tad above Gohan.