Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Animelover5487]

Yeah the powerscaling is kind of hard to gauge in this episode. Everyone seems like their fighting relatively evenly with everyone, even Magetta, a Super Saiyan tier opponent can fight Toppo, a God tier opponent to a standstill. Another thing that I find weird is Gohan, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Roshi's blast being tanked by Lavender, Botamo and two other fighters, unless we assume Gohan and the group surpressed their battle powers to coordinate with the weaker fighters of the group it makes no sense for all the blasts to be tanked by all four of then with the same amount of ease.

Also Goku has to go Super Saiyan Blue to escape this green monster looking guy from U4's headlock, I find it weird that Goku doesn't even try to use any of his lower forms like Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2 but if Goku really needed Blue then this guy is quite powerful.

[Bullza]

Everyone seems like their fighting relatively evenly with everyone, even Magetta, a Super Saiyan tier opponent can fight Toppo, a God tier opponent to a standstill.

Well Toppo did tangle with Super Saiyan Goku for a extended period, they even cancelled out each others blasts but then it turned out that Toppo was as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku once he was serious.

Most of the top guys probably won't be using their full power from the get go, Vegeta didn't go Blue, Frieza didn't go Gold, Gohan didn't go Ultimate etc. Probably the same for Toppo and he's saving power for later.

Besides which I expect there will be a lot of little moments like that and if you tried to make sense of them all you'd never make sense of anything.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Everyone seems like their fighting relatively evenly with everyone, even Magetta, a Super Saiyan tier opponent can fight Toppo, a God tier opponent to a standstill.

Well Toppo did tangle with Super Saiyan Goku for a extended period, they even cancelled out each others blasts but then it turned out that Toppo was as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku once he was serious.

Most of the top guys probably won't be using their full power from the get go, Vegeta didn't go Blue, Frieza didn't go Gold, Gohan didn't go Ultimate etc. Probably the same for Toppo and he's saving power for later.

Besides which I expect there will be a lot of little moments like that and if you tried to make sense of them all you'd never make sense of anything.

Yeah, it was pretty blatantly clear many contestants were holding back much of their power until things got serious. It is far TOO early to be judging power scaling in this tournament.

[khazgore]

what interests me at the moment are how strong the different fighters at the tournament of power is. the different fighters will have severe differences in power. me myself will try to make a tier list which probably is not very accurate.

minimum TIER roshi-tien- fairy?
low tier - botamo? + the weakest 25-30% of the fighters?
mid tier - 50ish% of the fighters + frost and piccolo
mid-high tier wolfpack,cabba, gohan and the top 25-30% of the fighters
high tier frieza + the strongest fighters of the weaker universes top 20ish% of fighters i suppose.
very high tier SSB goku + vegeta, toppo, golden frieza, top 10% or lower i suppose.
god tier SSB goku kkx10, hit.
super top tier. jiren+ goku assuming goku gets a new form or a power up of some sort..

[ChiefWamsutta]

I really don't know how to scale Lilibeu the fairy. All we know is that she is much weaker than Basil who is weaker than Good Buu level or so. Nink the ogre is less than SSBlue Goku.

Haha, I don't think I am going to bother trying to powerscale anyone that is not the following:

Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Frieza, Piccolo, #17, #18, Krillin, Tien, Roshi, Hit, Cabba, Frost, Caulifla, Kale, Toppo, Jiren.

[omaro34]

The attacks by Piccolo, Roshi, Gohan and Krillin weren't their best versions of their respective attacks forsure.

Gohan was in his base, and Piccolo still had on his weighted clothing and didn't even charge his SBC.

[Bullza]

I really don't know how to scale Lilibeu the fairy. All we know is that she is much weaker than Basil who is weaker than Good Buu level or so. Nink the ogre is less than SSBlue Goku.

Base Goku >= Bergamo > Basil > Napapa > Lilybeu > Krillin (Pre-Universe Survival saga)

Perhaps something like that? Base Goku has a small (if that) edge on Bergamo. Bergamo they said was the strongest in his Universe? He should be the strongest of the three at least.

Napapa was able to deflect three Shining Blasters. Lilybeu was able to match one before being blown away by the second one. Krillin was defeated (or even killed) by just the one in that imagination battle.

I suppose that would have been a Krillin that Goku and Gohan pictured him as, as of the Resurrection F saga? Of course he's supposed to be better than that now though.

[Beyond]

what interests me at the moment are how strong the different fighters at the tournament of power is. the different fighters will have severe differences in power. me myself will try to make a tier list which probably is not very accurate.

minimum TIER roshi-tien- fairy?
low tier - botamo? + the weakest 25-30% of the fighters?
mid tier - 50ish% of the fighters + frost and piccolo
mid-high tier wolfpack,cabba, gohan and the top 25-30% of the fighters
high tier frieza + the strongest fighters of the weaker universes top 20ish% of fighters i suppose.
very high tier SSB goku + vegeta, toppo, golden frieza, top 10% or lower i suppose.
god tier SSB goku kkx10, hit.
super top tier. jiren+ goku assuming goku gets a new form or a power up of some sort..

No reason to assume the walfpack could beat Frost or Piccolo tbh. In Fact everything points to the opposite being true.

[DBZ Macky]

So what's everyone's consensus on the power of Goku's base form? He didn't seem too much weaker than True Golden Freeza, since he managed to survive Sidra's Hakai energy when even Freeza had to exert visible effort to overcome it.

It's about time we settled this conundrum. What are your numbers for SSG Goku (vs. Beerus) and current Base/SS/SSB Goku?

[Ki Breaker]

The attacks by Piccolo, Roshi, Gohan and Krillin weren't their best versions of their respective attacks forsure.

Gohan was in his base, and Piccolo still had on his weighted clothing and didn't even charge his SBC.

Krillin wouldn't have fired his strongest kienzan either, he most likely fired it to make the opponent Dodge in the direction others were attacking in

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I don't think we'll be getting any tangible power-scaling until everyone starts to get REALLY serious, when it comes down to the final fights. Right now, there are too many different levels of fighters with too much chaos to gauge things.

[Zamasu55]

I don't think we'll be getting any tangible power-scaling until everyone starts to get REALLY serious, when it comes down to the final fights. Right now, there are too many different levels of fighters with too much chaos to gauge things.

Nah, there were some serious fights.

Lilibeu got trashed by Basil, we can assume she's one of the weakest if not the weakest fighter of them all.

The Basil vs Napapa fight was pretty serious. The last one was on U9's kicker level, probably slightly weaker.

18 and the female Pride Trooper seemed to be on the same exact level... even though the last seemed "worried" a little bit.

Base Goku was on par with Ganos, but he probably was suppressed.

[Marlowe89]

Base Goku was on par with Ganos

Nah. During Goku's first skirmish with Ganos, Ganos was on the defensive and seemed to be doing everything he could just to fend off Goku's punches. During the second skirmish, Ganos ended up fleeing from Goku altogether after the latter quite casually withstood his ki blast barrage.

Ganos should be weaker than base Goku, maybe even considerably so.

I don't think we'll be getting any tangible power-scaling until everyone starts to get REALLY serious, when it comes down to the final fights. Right now, there are too many different levels of fighters with too much chaos to gauge things.

I actually thought the episode was fairly straightforward. Nink is the only one I find really difficult to place, and unfortunately we'll probably never find out how strong he was since Goku ringed him out.

[TheMikado]

The attacks by Piccolo, Roshi, Gohan and Krillin weren't their best versions of their respective attacks forsure.

Gohan was in his base, and Piccolo still had on his weighted clothing and didn't even charge his SBC.

Krillin wouldn't have fired his strongest kienzan either, he most likely fired it to make the opponent Dodge in the direction others were attacking in

I don't see why it even matters. These attacks should have been something they could tank. I'm pretty sure Tien did a solar flare and no one blinked so are we supposed to believe these enemies are so strong that a solar flare doesn't even affect them?

[GodKaio-Ken]

The attacks by Piccolo, Roshi, Gohan and Krillin weren't their best versions of their respective attacks forsure.

Gohan was in his base, and Piccolo still had on his weighted clothing and didn't even charge his SBC.

Krillin wouldn't have fired his strongest kienzan either, he most likely fired it to make the opponent Dodge in the direction others were attacking in

I don't see why it even matters. These attacks should have been something they could tank. I'm pretty sure Tien did a solar flare and no one blinked so are we supposed to believe these enemies are so strong that a solar flare doesn't even affect them?

Except the solar flare was what allowed them to use the group attack and youre wrong.

[TheMikado]

Krillin wouldn't have fired his strongest kienzan either, he most likely fired it to make the opponent Dodge in the direction others were attacking in

I don't see why it even matters. These attacks should have been something they could tank. I'm pretty sure Tien did a solar flare and no one blinked so are we supposed to believe these enemies are so strong that a solar flare doesn't even affect them?

Except the solar flare was what allowed them to use the group attack and youre wrong.

I just rewatched and they did cover their eyes. So even with then defending against that their combination of attacks were completely ineffective??

[Ki Breaker]

I don't see why it even matters. These attacks should have been something they could tank. I'm pretty sure Tien did a solar flare and no one blinked so are we supposed to believe these enemies are so strong that a solar flare doesn't even affect them?

Except the solar flare was what allowed them to use the group attack and youre wrong.

I just rewatched and they did cover their eyes. So even with then defending against that their combination of attacks were completely ineffective??

Yup they were, they shouldn't have been no matter how I see it either..
I would just chalk it up to them attacking not with full power but just testing the waters on how much these guys can take without getting killed..

[ChiefWamsutta]

Except the solar flare was what allowed them to use the group attack and youre wrong.

I just rewatched and they did cover their eyes. So even with then defending against that their combination of attacks were completely ineffective??

Yup they were, they shouldn't have been no matter how I see it either..
I would just chalk it up to them attacking not with full power but just testing the waters on how much these guys can take without getting killed..

Botamo probably absorbed their attacks.

[TheMikado]

I just rewatched and they did cover their eyes. So even with then defending against that their combination of attacks were completely ineffective??

Yup they were, they shouldn't have been no matter how I see it either..
I would just chalk it up to them attacking not with full power but just testing the waters on how much these guys can take without getting killed..

Botamo probably absorbed their attacks.

Someone else suggested it which isn't a problem, but I would rather they show someone with nullification abilities just tanked their most powerful attacks to ramp up the tension. Honestly it wasn't well presented and we don't know what really happened with attacks. It's clearly trying to set the precedent for being outmatched but left us with too many questions to formulate any sense of tension when the easiest conclusion is to say they were holding back considerably.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I don't see why it even matters. These attacks should have been something they could tank. I'm pretty sure Tien did a solar flare and no one blinked so are we supposed to believe these enemies are so strong that a solar flare doesn't even affect them?

Except the solar flare was what allowed them to use the group attack and youre wrong.

I just rewatched and they did cover their eyes. So even with then defending against that their combination of attacks were completely ineffective??

Sorry the youre wrong part came off jerkish.

I agree it was weird the attacks had 0 effect.