"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lapislettuce]

People who are already making assumptions based on the ending sorry to break it to you but ending rarely ever do any foreshadowing for an arc, the openings usually do ! now i'm not killing your hype but don't expect something to happen based on anime ending.

[Totamo]

"You're team leader, and I'm going to ignore everything you have to say at the very first chance I get. So have fun."

They didn't have to write it like this. I would have had Frieza be the first one to run off and ignore Gohan, Vegeta next, then th and androids with Goku trying to get them to listen to Gohan. After it fail Goku goes, oh well. And heads off himself. It wasn't hard to do that.

Goku has gone through teamwork before when needed. Like with Raditz, Freeza, Boo, etc. He knows when to rely on it. It's just Goku remains a static character which can make him insufferable to others as he never seems to grow as a main character at all.

What he did does make sense for him, but it really hurts the whole point of the teamwork aspect they wanted to make feel important. You might has well not have even bothered. Shoulda just said we needed 10 warriors to fight for our universe...and that's it. Even if they actually do start with teamwork, I'd find it regression for Goku's character since it's something he's already bee plenty good at. Hell I think Vegeta already regressed lately since the start of this arc.

The difference between there and here is those were all last resorts and if I remember correctly Vegeta and Goku refused to do fusion even though they would win which he later regretted.

[TheMikado]

Well at the time they thought it was permanent and Buu was no longer fused so Goku could beat him as a SSJ3 so it wasn't actually necessary as a strategy. The difference is that this was actually a strategy going into this with a team captain and everything and Goku just completely ignored it. It was weird to seem him just completely ignore it after gathering the team and ignoring Goten and Trunks because of "teamwork". Goku put a bit of an emphasis on it in the recruitment arc so to see him not even attempt to try after all that was weird. The context and actions are disjointed as if there were two different writers for this episode versus were seems to value ththe virtue of teamwork.

[dbzfan7]

They didn't have to write it like this. I would have had Frieza be the first one to run off and ignore Gohan, Vegeta next, then th and androids with Goku trying to get them to listen to Gohan. After it fail Goku goes, oh well. And heads off himself. It wasn't hard to do that.

Goku has gone through teamwork before when needed. Like with Raditz, Freeza, Boo, etc. He knows when to rely on it. It's just Goku remains a static character which can make him insufferable to others as he never seems to grow as a main character at all.

What he did does make sense for him, but it really hurts the whole point of the teamwork aspect they wanted to make feel important. You might has well not have even bothered. Shoulda just said we needed 10 warriors to fight for our universe...and that's it. Even if they actually do start with teamwork, I'd find it regression for Goku's character since it's something he's already bee plenty good at. Hell I think Vegeta already regressed lately since the start of this arc.

The difference between there and here is those were all last resorts and if I remember correctly Vegeta and Goku refused to do fusion even though they would win which he later regretted.

Last resorts or not, this situation is more dire than all those previous ones combined. This is the last resort. Goku also regrets not doing fusion when he finds out how strong Boo is. At first he thought it was manageable, but then realized it was a big mistake and regretted it. Just like how with Super Boo he immediately wanted fusion as he knew, they were screwed otherwise.

It's not even really the worst thing that they just all went and left.....except for 18 who they made a big deal of being a team with Krillin...then goes on to ditch him immediately. It also is a pain as yeah, it makes sense for this to happen, but it shows how static the main characters can be. Have the same attitude always, make the same mistakes always, and never evolve beyond having a new power up and that's it.

[HeroR]

Why are people calling Krillin and Piccolo scrubs? I don't see how they are. Basil was doing alright and Piccolo should be stronger than him. Krillin is quick on his feat and probably has gotten reasonably strong.

Based on what? His performance against Buu?

[Kanassa]

Why are people calling Krillin and Piccolo scrubs? I don't see how they are. Basil was doing alright and Piccolo should be stronger than him. Krillin is quick on his feat and probably has gotten reasonably strong.

Based on what? His performance against Buu?

Yeah, we really have nothing to gauge Basil's power on since the Buu fight was Basil not knowing about Buu's special abilities as a damage sponge.

[GodKaio-Ken]

So I guess Beerus is just fine with the fact someone tried to assassinate his fighters literally less than 5-10 minutes ago?

[Beyond]

Why are people calling Krillin and Piccolo scrubs? I don't see how they are. Basil was doing alright and Piccolo should be stronger than him. Krillin is quick on his feat and probably has gotten reasonably strong.

Based on what? His performance against Buu?

Yeah, we really have nothing to gauge Basil's power on since the Buu fight was Basil not knowing about Buu's special abilities as a damage sponge.

I suppose you're right, but Buu did say he was stronger than Basil, and that's after he took the drugs. Base Basil was used in the imagine training for Krillin as well. While Basil looked good in this episode who knows the strength of his opponents.
On the opposite side, Piccolo could be weaker than Roshi for all we know.

[GodVegetto91]

Which upcoming episode spoilers did we get last week? Can anyone quote them to me? I can't find it nor remember it. I remember reading something about Krillin and Kale??

99 with Krillin's hidden power and 100 or 101 with something about berserker in the title.

Oh okay. Thanks.

[Hellspawn28]

I wonder if we will see Jiren vs. Hit soon?

[Dbzfan94]

If I'm not missing anything, C18 vs Pride Trooper girl is the first proper female vs female fight this franchise ever had. It took 30+ years, but better late than never it's what we should say in these situations.

-New Ending-

New Ending is ok but definitely didn't live up to my expectations.
What surprised me the most was seeing Goku with battle damage and Gohan next to him. Maybe Gohan will have a bigger role than I thought, but I'm not expecting something like the Cell games where Goku gives up and entrusts everything to him. He was been looking for this Tournament since Zeno announced it and it's already confirmed he will have a new "transformation".

i liked this ending a lot more than Boogie Back.

[Noah]

The fact Vegeta seems very confident and arrogant doesnt look good for him, I bet she will undestimate Brianne and think she is just a pretty face.

You'd think by now he'd realise that every time he does that he gets humiliated...

Another point why Super characterization is so bad. I mean after many things Vegeta got through in the past, it would be logical to expect him to have learned with his mistakes by stopping to act impulsively and understimating his opponents, but I guess is very difficult for the staff to write him differently from the arrogant prick back in the Android arc.

The same Goku that said Roshi was good while not holding back despite Toshio saying Yurin boosted Roshi. Dont take Gokus words to 100%, He is now as credible as Shin. They should've mentioned 17 got stronger via something else like mental training(thats what Gohan did). We are just 24 hours left from the start of the ToP, based on the spoilers, either Ganos or Murichim will be first people eliminated and out of U7, Tenshinhan might be out in episode 98(he should at least detect Damon whereabout before he gets eliminated).

Toshio didn't write that episode, so his words are quite frankly meaningless.

No, they're not. He's not just giving his opinion like a casual fan and yes stating a fact since he's part of Toei staff and presumably interacts with other writers of the show, there's no sense in doubting him.

I have serious doubts if the Universes are even going to be destroyed... If fighters would be killed off anyway why the rules ensuring safety, on top of that they are safely teleported to the stands with their gods... We did hear Goku saying he won't be a pawn of the Gods for long, maybe this is him playing with the Gods this time around with the grand priest also in Goku's team..

All of the Gods shitting their pants all this time would be hilarious and perfect to let them know who's in charge when Goku is around

It would be funny but honestly I wouldn't like it... In the end this whole arc purpose was just a Goku's prank? All the talk about mortal quality was BS? It actually doesn't make sense to not include Universe 1, 12, 5, and 8 if this matter is actually true.

Attempt at a front view by youngjijiii on Twitter.

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The hair certainly looks different from SSJ.

Something about his arms in this art don't feel natural to me.

[Kanassa]

The fact Vegeta seems very confident and arrogant doesnt look good for him, I bet she will undestimate Brianne and think she is just a pretty face.

You'd think by now he'd realise that every time he does that he gets humiliated...

Another point why Super characterization is so bad. I mean after many things Vegeta got through in the past, it would be logical to expect him to have learned with his mistakes by stopping to act impulsively and understimating his opponents, but I guess is very difficult for the staff to write him differently from the arrogant prick back in the Android arc.

I think by this point Vegeta knows what's gonna happen, but he has a chronic need that HAS to be filled. "I'm sorry, but... I just have t trash talk... I've gone into rehab. It didn't work. Okay!?"

[blackbewhite2k7]

>kikoho

>useless in a tournament in which knocking opponents back is key to winning

Nigga, wat?

Botamo would just tank it, but another thing is ...Did Piccolo forget about Botamos ability?

About Gohan, I could see him lasting until the very end.

Him unlocking his new transformation vs Jiren would be perfect or Goku will ask for his help to fight Jiren because they need to win and not just to have fun, it would be a nice development.

That's like...one debatable example out of the 77 other remaining fighters he could use that move one, though. Plus someone (namely piccolo, who saw this work) could just...pick him up and through him out of the ring like he was before, whilst tenshinhan and the others deal with the rest.

Since the tourney's started, Tenshinhan's been the only one who could sense U4 has two hidden fighters and the only one (so far) who's (one of several) signature move has been effective (not that the latter didn't urk the shit out of me, but still)

[TheOne]

No where did I complain about Goku fighting alone. That's perfectly within his character. It's the degree his recklessness is shown. I gave a perfectly valid way they could have shown the same thing without Goku being the primary douche bag and more consistent with his teamwork and maturity he's gained over the years.

This was Gokus idea. The guy has wet dreams about this kind of stuff. Naturally he will be the first one to go off and do his own thing. He made it pretty clear before that he was going to fight alone. So did Vegeta and the others.

There was nothing wrong with the way they approached it. It's like letting a kid loose in a toy store.

The problem is he's not a kid, the fate of the universe and everyone he knows hangs in the balance, it's 48 minutes. All I'm asking is that he at least tried to act like an adult for 1 out of these critical 48 mins. I don't think that's a lot to ask. The point I've been making is that this by itself isn't a crucial point in his character but constantly showing Goku as more impulsive and reckless than he should be at this point isn't a good look. It the same thing with the reminding Zen'o thing. By itself it's not bad, him being so impulsive and everyone saying they need to treat Goku like a child at this point is ridiculous. His character has developed beyond this at this point, if he ever was this bad to begin with. He didn't run off obsessed and looking for Frieza leaving everyone to fend for themselves, he didn't go hunting down Cell on his own because he wanted to fight, and he talked multiple times about taking out Buu together and didn't go running off by himself. Now suddenly we need one of those child leashes for Goku because he can't be reasoned with. Look again it's not a big deal it's just as I've said, its death by 1000 cuts with small things like this. It doesn't ruin Goku or the episode, but it doesn't help either.

I see what you're saying now.

Yeah I'd personally like to see them have Goku act a little more responsibly. Not necessarily more heroic, just not like Luffy. Which seems to be the direction they're making him take.

[TheOne]

So I guess Beerus is just fine with the fact someone tried to assassinate his fighters literally less than 5-10 minutes ago?

I was thinking the same thing...

The smart move would be to try and get a Universe disqualified to eliminate the competition. But I could see Zeno saying "no" simply because it'd mean less fireworks.

At the same time the Grand Priest has to know that someone was likely going to be mad and try something like that.

[Jigurashi]

I wonder if we will see Jiren vs. Hit soon?

When's soon? Earliest I see it is episode 101. Even then I have my doubts that episode will be about Jiren. We also don't even know if they're even going to fight.

[HeroR]

I suppose you're right, but Buu did say he was stronger than Basil, and that's after he took the drugs. Base Basil was used in the imagine training for Krillin as well. While Basil looked good in this episode who knows the strength of his opponents.
On the opposite side, Piccolo could be weaker than Roshi for all we know.

Basil was the weakest of the brothers, which why Gohan and Goku mental trained him with Krillin, and Krillin got his ass kicked. Also, Basil lost to Buu mostly because he couldn't bypass Buu's regeneration and Buu out endure him.

[MainJPW]

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Something about his arms in this art don't feel natural to me.

I think the same about the way Toriyama draws arms sometimes.

[omaro34]

I suppose you're right, but Buu did say he was stronger than Basil, and that's after he took the drugs. Base Basil was used in the imagine training for Krillin as well. While Basil looked good in this episode who knows the strength of his opponents.
On the opposite side, Piccolo could be weaker than Roshi for all we know.

Basil was the weakest of the brothers, which why Gohan and Goku mental trained him with Krillin, and Krillin got his ass kicked. Also, Basil lost to Buu mostly because he couldn't bypass Buu's regeneration and Buu out endure him.

Basil seems to throw the same attack time and time again, let him flex his leg muscles against weak fodder fairies. He only got a lot of screen time this past episode to reuse animation, he won't be saying much after another episode or so.