"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Krillin1994]

Yeah, whoever has the most players in the ring after the time limit is the winner, or if a single person is left in the ring then that player's universe wins even if there is time left.

Then on what basis is universe 9 destroyed?
Couldn't a scenario arise where nobody is left on the ring..
That should result in a tie or are they saying if that happens every universe gets a dick up their ass

The only way it will be an 8 way tie is if every final member of each universe gets knocked out of the ring at the same time

[Jigurashi]

I don't know how seriously we should take Goku, Freeza, and Jiren as the last 3. I wouldn't mind it, but I don't know. However, as said before, with Heroes past track record of spoiling or foreshadowing events and or fights that take place in the show, Freeza VS Jiren is likely and Goku VS Jiren is obviously happening at some point.

[Shinda Forever]

I don't know how seriously we should take Goku, Freeza, and Jiren as the last 3. I wouldn't mind it, but I don't know. However, as said before, with Heroes past track record of spoiling or foreshadowing events and or fights that take place in the show, Freeza VS Jiren is likely and Goku VS Jiren is obviously happening at some point.

If we look at the video Frieza and Goku seem to be joining forces to beat Jiren. Who says this won't be a 2 x 1 fight?
Maybe Jiren is too powerful to take on 1x1.

[TysonWine]

If we look at the video Frieza and Goku seem to be joining forces to beat Jiren. Who says this won't be a 2 x 1 fight?
Maybe Jiren is too powerful to take on 1x1.

I actually thought the opposite. Goku's in base form with his hands on his side as he watches Frieza attack Jiren. When Goku attacks in Blue, Frieza is nowhere to be seen. This to me, implies taking turns. I would lean towards your interpretation of teamwork if Goku was already in SSB from the start.

[Shinda Forever]

If we look at the video Frieza and Goku seem to be joining forces to beat Jiren. Who says this won't be a 2 x 1 fight?
Maybe Jiren is too powerful to take on 1x1.

I actually thought the opposite. Goku's in base form with his hands on his side as he watches Frieza attack Jiren. When Goku attacks in Blue, Frieza is nowhere to be seen. This to me, implies taking turns. I would lean towards your interpretation of teamwork if Goku was already in SSB from the start.

I can see your point. It is possible.
Do you think that the fact that Goku has the kaioken will help him to do better than Frieza?

[Jigurashi]

If we look at the video Frieza and Goku seem to be joining forces to beat Jiren. Who says this won't be a 2 x 1 fight?
Maybe Jiren is too powerful to take on 1x1.

I actually thought the opposite. Goku's in base form with his hands on his side as he watches Frieza attack Jiren. When Goku attacks in Blue, Frieza is nowhere to be seen. This to me, implies taking turns. I would lean towards your interpretation of teamwork if Goku was already in SSB from the start.

I can see your point. It is possible.
Do you think that the fact that Goku has the kaioken will help him to do better than Frieza?

Depends on how powerful Jiren is. If he's so much more above even SSBKK Goku, then Kaioken wouldn't help Goku do better. It's like if Perfect Cell used his full power from the start in a hypothetical match against CG Vegeta and CG Goku. Goku is stronger than Vegeta by quite a bit, but Cell is so far above Goku's max that being above Vegeta wouldn't really mean much.

This is all assuming he's even above SSBKK Goku. We really just don't know. Though Goku will probably need Kaioken if GF gets stomped by Jiren.

[Kishido]

Let us talk about the Heroes video... If it is some hint that Frieza and Goku are the lasts with Jiren... What if we get a shocker and Frieza wil realize that he has to help Goku knowing he stands no chance against Jiren.

Maybe something like... Goku is all worn out and everything but Frieza comes in buying some time until Goku is full power again... And before he gets beaten he remembers Goku about their deal

[Whatever]

So since Botamo is facing vegeta and lavender is facing goku,does that mean that they both ignored Gohan?
Gohan may last till the end after all,both his father and his enemies are ignoring him lol.

[Daemul]

I don't think that the Hero's Mission vid is hinting at Freeza, Jiren and Goku being the final 3, but it's most likely hinting at both Freeza and Goku, probably in that order, fighting Jiren at some point in the tournament, probably later on.

Let us talk about the Heroes video... If it is some hint that Frieza and Goku are the lasts with Jiren... What if we get a shocker and Frieza wil realize that he has to help Goku knowing he stands no chance against Jiren.

Maybe something like... Goku is all worn out and everything but Frieza comes in buying some time until Goku is full power again... And before he gets beaten he remembers Goku about their deal

Freeza ain't going to have a Vegeta moment lol, that's completely out of character. Freeza's defintion of "help" would be to kill Jiren and disqualify himself in the process lol

[Kishido]

I don't think that the Hero's Mission vid is hinting at Freeza, Jiren and Goku being the final 3, but it's most likely hinting at both Freeza and Goku, probably in that order, fighting Jiren at some point in the tournament, probably later on.

Let us talk about the Heroes video... If it is some hint that Frieza and Goku are the lasts with Jiren... What if we get a shocker and Frieza wil realize that he has to help Goku knowing he stands no chance against Jiren.

Maybe something like... Goku is all worn out and everything but Frieza comes in buying some time until Goku is full power again... And before he gets beaten he remembers Goku about their deal

Freeza ain't going to have a Vegeta moment lol, that's completely out of character. Freeza's defintion of "help" would be to kill Jiren and disqualify himself in the process lol

It wouldn't be a Vegeta moment. He still would be a cocky evil asshole who just looks on the bigger picture and him being revived.

He is currently smart enough not going against Beerus as well knowing he can't. So maybe he will realize it against Jiren and play the game for his own goal

[perucho1990]

We could agree that Jiren, Goku and Freeza are locks for the Final 10 basing on the DBH Vid.

Gohan might be in there too if the ED was hinting he will work together with Goku.

Botamo/Magetta as a team could be very OP if Magetta doesnt have his mental weakness anymore, Botamo would eat all the dmg while Magetta spams his lava attacks.

If only 101-102 spoilers were available we would get confirmation if Kale got eliminated, but I have the feeling she is because 101 is a Pride Troopers centered episode, Vermod would just order Jiren to get rid of Kale, the only way Kale could survive.

A) Caulifla sacrifices herself to save her.
B) Cabba sacrifices himself, which would gain the respect of Caulifla and Kale

[Kishido]

Off-topic question:

Can someone answer me if there wqas one scene at RoF or Super retelling with final form Frieza and this aura?



The wiki is calling it mastered final form and that's why he doesn't need the bulked up form anymore... But I can't find the scene where

A: Frieza says this
B: He has this kind of aura

[TheOne]

So since Botamo is facing vegeta and lavender is facing goku,does that mean that they both ignored Gohan?
Gohan may last till the end after all,both his father and his enemies are ignoring him lol.

I can see vegeta being the one to target Magetta and botamo first since he knows they're weakenesses, but comes to find out that they have since improved on their weak areas. Making it a harder fight than he thought.

[BlueBasilisk]

The Heroes videos can be hit and miss. Like one for the U6 arc showed SSB Goku fighting first form Frost. You know how that went. That said, I could easily see Jiren, Goku, Hit and Frieza being some of the last fighters standing. Frieza is one tough bastard and won't go down easy.

[aravinthan]

Who is interested in Gohan V Lavenda?
He will definitlely be shocked due to power difference in Gohan from Gohan`s SSJ2 to Goku`s SSJ2

[Big Black Sayian]

I just realized something if Goku vs Jiren in the intro is indeed the fight from the anime doest that mean Ribraine /Vegeta are gonna be some the last 10 fighters too? :p

[Lord Frieza]

Off-topic question:

Can someone answer me if there wqas one scene at RoF or Super retelling with final form Frieza and this aura?



The wiki is calling it mastered final form and that's why he doesn't need the bulked up form anymore... But I can't find the scene where

A: Frieza says this
B: He has this kind of aura

Its never stated only implied. If you take Frieza at his word, he was going all out against Base Goku during RoF. IF thats the case, he's fighting at 100% full power without bulking up like he used to. The muscle mass he gained before was just a side effect, since he spent so much time repressing his power and never mastering it, Frieza's body could not handle it naturally. This is also why his stamina is so poor, his power is so great that it surpassed his natural limits.

Mastered Final Form is just Frieza being able to tap into his full power naturally like Goku or anyone else could. Funny thing, 100% remind me of King Piccolo's comment about his full power shortening his life when used.

Away he never has that aura when just fighting. The image is just promotional art that, in hindsight, hinted at Golden Frieza.

The only time he has an aura like that one is when he transforms.


I've said this befor but the difference between 100% and Mastered Final Form Frieza is the same difference as Golden Frieza and True Golden Frieza. They are not different or transformations or even a form like Mastered Super Saiyan. Its just Frieza getting the natural control over his power that everyone else has.

[Jigurashi]

I just realized something if Goku vs Jiren in the intro is indeed the fight from the anime doest that mean Ribraine /Vegeta are gonna be some the last 10 fighters too? :p

Possibly. The fact that they're using footage from the anime (which I don't mind at all as I think the footage looked good), could hint to that. I'm very curious cause Goku VS Jiren in the opening has them flying for a majority of it. Might mean the rules will be lifted at some point.

[MisteryOne]

The Heroes videos can be hit and miss. Like one for the U6 arc showed SSB Goku fighting first form Frost. You know how that went. That said, I could easily see Jiren, Goku, Hit and Frieza being some of the last fighters standing. Frieza is one tough bastard and won't go down easy.

I mean, Goku still fought Frost, that was probably the point and they could not spoil everything. Most of the Heroes videos seem to hint at some points by Toriyama since it always happen in both anime and manga. For example Goku and Black fighting in the future and Future Zamasu looking it. It obviously didn't happen that way, specially because Vegeta and Trunks were not there and both were fighting in base. But the point still was that Goku fighted Black in the future and «Zamasu was not Black but rather his ally". It also spoilered SSB Goku fighting Merged Zamasu, which again happened in both medias. In the Champa arc it also showed SSB Vegeta vs SS Cabba and Hit.

The point is that I think that there are more chances of this being a hit that a miss IMO

[precita]

A real shame we're only going to see less than an episode or two of Krillin fighting, and probably not even that. Only 2 episodes till he's eliminated and the preview to this weeks doesn't focus on him at all.

So Krillin got all that build-up for maybe half an episode of fighting. I have no idea how they thought this was a good thing. Even if they still wanted Krillin to be disqualified, they could have waited further into the tournament.