Are Spoilers and Leaks Ruining the Dragonball Super Experience?

[Drellz26]

I apologize if this thread has been created, I did a search and didn't find anything. (I see the spoiler discussion thread by I don't want to actually speak about any spoilers)

Please let's try to refrain from discussing the spoilers in here for those who have managed to stay clear of them so far.

Are the spoilers and leaks we get every arc ruining Super? Fortunately I have been able to avoid many of them but of course it's not always possible. I can't even log on here or YouTube with being scared of what I will see. Everyone tries to do a great job with hiding the spoilers but most the time a topic/video title is enough to ruin the future episodes. This has been a huge issue throughout this arc and I honestly feel like they take away from Super. It sucks, we don't have the surprise factor, and we end up having a huge part of the fandom being upset at possibilities/situations we don't have a full explanation towards. One of the best parts of Z as a kid was not knowing what the future holds, and that's always the best part of Super and every time the episode leaks begin, my interest starts to fade....

Does anyone else feel similar or even disagree with me? I know can't be the only one trying their hardest to watch the show as it comes.

[Ki Breaker]

They definitely do take away the awe of fresh experience

[FortuneSSJ]

I wouldn't say "ruin it" but that's subjective.
I have to say people complaining about this and that like they already watched an episode that didn't even come out is annoying, yeah.

[Anime Kitten]

They absolutely do hinder the experience as you know what's coming and it doesn't have any shock value. You really do lose a lot of the fun that comes from watching the show.

However, I do think it would be easier to accept if people didn't spread them like wildfire. For instance, yesterday I casually entered the "Things that grind your gears" thread, and the first thing I saw on my screen was a quote of someone outright stating a spoiler with no beforehand warning nor a spoiler tag. YouTube isn't as difficult for me personally, as I'm not on there as much, but I can see how it's worse when there are video titles explicitly revealing future plot points.

Simply put, yeah, I really hate them, but I greatly respect and appreciate those who hide the spoilers as best they can.

[Simere]

I guess I have to ask: if it's such a negative for you, why risk coming to the fandom? Do you enjoy us that much more?

Fandom wasn't something I was aware of when I first experienced DB. Spoilers, on the other hand, were very much a part of my experience. I always knew the general direction the story was going. Not because I predicted it or anything; I was just somehow always aware of the broad strokes. Merchandising, I suppose. And catching episodes out of order.

Most my favorite stories were spoiled before I properly read/watched/played them. Come to think of it, nowadays I don't give any new stories a chance unless I spoil it to make sure I'll enjoy something first. With stories that are highly prone to disappointing me, like DBS(though it hasn't really yet), I think spoilers help me manage my expectations.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well no because being spoiled by these leaks is on the person. I don't buy that things are like this are tough to avoid, it isn't if you truly want to avoid things. For example I watched Logan back in Feb without seeing a single spec of footage at all. Or how I succesfly avoided the Pokemon Sun and Moon data-mine for the months before the lead up to actual game. You can mute accounts on twitter, you can mute notifications, you can turn pictures sand videos off you can turn retweets off it is pretty easy to avoid things tbh. Just don't come on the Super sub-forum, no one is allowed to spoil stuff outside the sub-forum without tagging so that should be safe.

If you want a clean Super experience it is pretty simple. For me I don't really mind since previews etc have no context and episodes almost always pan out not how one would these previews are intentionally vague, but if I wanna stay clean I know what to do.

I wouldn't say "ruin it" but that's subjective.
I have to say people complaining about this and that like they already watched an episode that didn't even come out is annoying, yeah.

Oh man! Annoying is an under statement, a couple of brief sentences and people acting like they seen and know everything when in reality we have zero context, so many so many occasions previews have been misleading or intentionally vague. Here we are 100 episodes in and people still haven't learned.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I like them personally. I like time to digest what is about to happen...especially when I dislike it. It gives me time to accept.

[emperior]

I would prefer it if we never got spoilers, though it's not that hard to avoid them.
Back in FT arc I couldn't watch Super for many weeks and I was able to avoid spoilers. I must say that was a great thing because I enjoyed every episode much more when I didn't know what was going to happen.

[Chuquita]

I love spoilers. I go out of my way to find them. They don't hinder my enjoyment of a show. If the information is out there and if I know it's out there, I'm going to find and read it.

[BlueBasilisk]

For me they don't, but I watched DBZ for the first time knowing about everything up to the end of GT thanks to one of those unofficial guidebooks. I can see how it would for some people but these things come out on a set schedule every week/month so it's easy to know what to avoid.

The mini shitstorms that flare up each time we get more info or a new manga chapter on the other hand...

[Ki Breaker]

I love spoilers. I go out of my way to find them. They don't hinder my enjoyment of a show. If the information is out there and if I know it's out there, I'm going to find and read it.

I do understand as I do so myself for shows not so dear to me as Dragonball, but how dose knowing spoilers of a show, I assume, you think a lot on, not spoil the enjoyment?

[Kishido]

What spoilers actually? The summaries from TV magazines aren't spoilers after all and they are so short that they do not tell too much to let the people discuss... Example is Krillin currently and what exactly will happen... Same like movie trailers and other stuff

A real spoiler would be leaking the whole story or stuff like often happening with games where some insiders post it

[Chuquita]

I love spoilers. I go out of my way to find them. They don't hinder my enjoyment of a show. If the information is out there and if I know it's out there, I'm going to find and read it.

I do understand as I do so myself for shows not so dear to me as Dragonball, but how dose knowing spoilers of a show, I assume, you think a lot on, not spoil the enjoyment?

As long as it's not something like the answer to a mystery, it's good. I wouldn't have wanted the "Who is Gokû Black?" mystery spoilered early for me. I had a lot of fun theorizing on that. All my favorite theories hinged on it being Gokû inside that body as well as outside. I can't imagine I'd enjoy it the same if I knew it was Zamasu body snatching from the start.

Spoilers generally give me something more to look forward to, to theorize on.

[FortuneSSJ]

What spoilers actually? The summaries from TV magazines aren't spoilers after all and they are so short that they do not tell too much to let the people discuss... Example is Krillin currently and what exactly will happen... Same like movie trailers and other stuff

They are spoilers. Spoiler is anything that reveals new plot information about story events yet to come.
Example:
[spoiler]Universe 9 is the first to fall.
Krillin is the first U7 fighter to be eliminated.
Jiren stops Kale's rampage.
etc...[/spoiler]

[precita]

For other shows, I'd say yes, but not for Dragonball.

For example, most of us had the entire span of Dragonball Z spoiled to us before we watched it. Back when most of us were growing up with the dub and were only on the Saiyan/Freeza saga, we used to read spoilers and see images of everything that happened in the Cell and Buu arcs. Pretty much the entire span of DBZ was spoiled to most of us before it happened. Prior to that, since we saw Dragonball AFTER DBZ, we also pretty much knew what had to happen in Dragonball, and the events that led up to where we are now.

One of the biggest plot twists of Goku finding out he was an alien Saiyan rather than being born on Earth was ruined for the entire western fanbase.

[Kishido]

What spoilers actually? The summaries from TV magazines aren't spoilers after all and they are so short that they do not tell too much to let the people discuss... Example is Krillin currently and what exactly will happen... Same like movie trailers and other stuff

They are spoilers. Spoiler is anything that reveals new plot information about story events yet to come.
Example:
[spoiler]Universe 9 is the first to fall.
Krillin is the first U7 fighter to be eliminated.
Jiren stops Kale's rampage.
etc...[/spoiler]

And still gives you stuff to discuss because it isn't that detailed. TV summaries like this have been there even in the past...

For me a spoiler is like mangas... A full detailed leak of the Raw nearly one week before the release in JP

[Snakeway Skywalker]

As someone who does follow spoilers, I could definitely see where someone who avoids them is coming from. I just watched an interesting video by LaughingStock on this, and he brought up many good points on how depending on the popularity of something, you're gonna be spoiled anyway. Like, for instance, people who haven't seen The Empire Strikes Back still know that Vader is Luke's father, and I was spoiled of the plot twist for The Sixth Sense before I had seen it, because both of those movies are engraved in pop culture, and so is Dragon Ball. I had seen many DBZ clips before I watched the actual series, so I was somewhat spoiled, but in retrospect and having seen all of that series, I don't care.

I don't know what I'm trying to say, but I guess, to a certain extent, spoilers are unavoidable, and they've become so widespread in the DB fandom that I feel bad for those that don't wanna be spoiled. I'd tell those people to just watch MasakoX and stay off twitter. Personally, I don't care about DBS spoilers. They come out so early anyway that I'll probably forget 'em by the time the actual episode comes out.

[Grimlock]

I don't care much about leaks and spoilers about something I don't care that much. When the time comes for me to avoid them, then it's because the material is very important and/or it means a lot and I want to have my fresh experience with it. Other than that, I'm all for knowing things beforehand.

[Boo Machine]

I can see why it would ruin the experience for others, but it's never been an issue for me. Mostly because leaks about this show are pretty vague a lot of the time so it's hard to fully tell what's going to happen anyway. But also information like spoilers doesn't really register in my head until I actually seen it happen with my own eyes, if that makes sense.

Like I recently decided to read the entirety of Berserk for the first time, and I had an idea about what type of events would take place because it's a an older series and it's hard to avoid completely if you're into anime at all. But I was still enjoying it greatly because even if I knew what would happen I was experiencing the journey and discovering the context.

If anything spoilers can give me something to look forward to. I wasn't super hyped about this Arc, but spoilers for certain episodes made me excited to get to that point.

[Kanious]

To me not. Actually, the spoilers make me hype more and more, and feel more anxious to watch DBS.