"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Grand priest ain't having any of Goku's shit
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P.S. I really think it's something goku planned and it's the look of its going as planned..

[alakazam^]

Noticing that the same people who said the tournament wasn't Gokus fault as the same people speculating the Angels are evil or that they aren't actually destroying the universes just teleporting them or even possibly going to bring them back later. It seems like reaching at this point. They're doing what they said they were going to do and people are pulling an out of universe Goku moment like "Nah, they don't really mean everything they've been saying for the past several months."

This is just like the Vados speculation times 100 that literally turned out to be nothing at all.

Goku wasn't the one to come up with the tournament so what has that got to do with the other speculations?

[Totamo]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

[Simere]

Since they disappear from the audience, I'm upping the chances of more universes staying in it for the long haul; U6 in particular. They have a lot of characters good for reactions.

Also, this should rule out any hidden fighters clinching a tie or win. The continued existence of a "defeated" universe will reveal their presence.

[Basako]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

He has not fixed them, the SSB still drains a lot of stamina in the manga.

[Boo Machine]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

He has not fixed them, the SSB still drains a lot of stamina in the manga.

Though I think Goku mentions that Vegeta solved the issue. Unclear if Goku solved it himself though.

[Basako]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

He has not fixed them, the SSB still drains a lot of stamina in the manga.

Though I think Goku mentions that Vegeta solved the issue. Unclear if Goku did.

Not really, Vegeta can't use SSB full time, he can just use the SSG and switch to SSB little instants. Goku has not solved the drain either. SSB has always drained a lot of stamina in the manga and it still does.

[TheDipDap1234]

Android 18 was fighting with the rabbit girl called Sorrel and eliminated her off-screen. I really wanted to see that fight.

[Totamo]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

He has not fixed them, the SSB still drains a lot of stamina in the manga.

Then what the heck is full powered super saiyan blue then

[TheMikado]

Noticing that the same people who said the tournament wasn't Gokus fault as the same people speculating the Angels are evil or that they aren't actually destroying the universes just teleporting them or even possibly going to bring them back later. It seems like reaching at this point. They're doing what they said they were going to do and people are pulling an out of universe Goku moment like "Nah, they don't really mean everything they've been saying for the past several months."

This is just like the Vados speculation times 100 that literally turned out to be nothing at all.

I've argued that it isn't Goku's fault(which was said twice in the story; first by Whis, then even more explicitly by Vados) and I'm not speculating that. Meanwhile, I just saw people arguing it's Goku's fault while also speculating that the angels are evil. It seems like you're reaching.

I suppose the new theory is that Krillin gives 18 the sunglasses and that's a rule violation. I hope not.

Where? Show me what you just saw.

[HeroR]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

The manga didn't fixed the stamina issue. Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan breaks his body down when he sucks in his aura like Goku using the Kaioken in the Champa Saga.

[Basako]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

He has not fixed them, the SSB still drains a lot of stamina in the manga.

Then what the heck is full powered super saiyan blue then

You mean the mastered SSB? It's a way Goku developed to put inside his body all the leaking energy of the SSB, so he gets to use all the power of the state. It's that much power, that he can barely mantain it. In a way, it's even more draining. Maybe with some more training we will get better at it, I expect to see it in the US manga arc even better.

[Kishido]

So with todays episode universe merging is out of question

[MisteryOne]

Am I the only dissapointed by how Sorell was defeated offscreen? 18 needs a good fight damn it.

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

Since when has Goku fixed SSB stamina issue in the manga? Actually that was a giant plothole for the anime. Apparently we have to somehow believe Goku and Vegeta were spamming Blue in the FT arc and wasting stamina without reason. It's obvious at this point Toriyama wanted SSB to waste too much energy but for whatever reason Toei ignored it. Which was not really a problem until now, since it doesn't make sense it still wastes energy and Goku and Vegeta have never tried to avoid it like Vegeta did in the manga while fighting Black, or why Goku now spams Blue Kaioken without apparent drawbacks. Gotta love consistency

[Kishido]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

Since when has Goku fixed SSB stamina issue in the manga? Actually that was a giant plothole for the anime. Apparently we have to somehow believe Goku and Vegeta were spamming Blue in the FT arc and wasting stamina without reason. It's obvious at this point Toriyama wanted SSB to waste too much energy but for whatever reason Toei ignored ot.

Funny is that Toriyama himself at RoF mocked Golden Frieza for stamina issued making it look like SSB hasn't this

[Lord Frieza]

Noticing that the same people who said the tournament wasn't Gokus fault as the same people speculating the Angels are evil or that they aren't actually destroying the universes just teleporting them or even possibly going to bring them back later. It seems like reaching at this point. They're doing what they said they were going to do and people are pulling an out of universe Goku moment like "Nah, they don't really mean everything they've been saying for the past several months."

This is just like the Vados speculation times 100 that literally turned out to be nothing at all.

Goku wasn't the one to come up with the tournament so what has that got to do with the other speculations?

Actually it is his fault but not in the way most people think.

Him wanting the tournament was throwing all the lower universes a bone because without it they would all just be killed.

What is Goku's fault is this, He brought Future Zen-Oh to this timeline. Going by what Zamasu and Black talked about, 17 years in the future, all the universes are still around. There has been no Omni-Erase and no tournament. If not for Black is would have been life as normal. The entire scoring system and the idea of erasing universes only came into being because Zen-Oh and Fututr Zen-Oh were allowed to meet, an event facilitated by Goku.

[Kishido]

Noticing that the same people who said the tournament wasn't Gokus fault as the same people speculating the Angels are evil or that they aren't actually destroying the universes just teleporting them or even possibly going to bring them back later. It seems like reaching at this point. They're doing what they said they were going to do and people are pulling an out of universe Goku moment like "Nah, they don't really mean everything they've been saying for the past several months."

This is just like the Vados speculation times 100 that literally turned out to be nothing at all.

Goku wasn't the one to come up with the tournament so what has that got to do with the other speculations?

Actually it is his fault but not in the way most people think.

Him wanting the tournament was throwing all the lower universes a bone because without it they would all just be killed.

What is Goku's fault is this, He brought Future Zen-Oh to this timeline. Going by what Zamasu and Black talked about, 17 years in the future, all the universes are still around. There has been no Omni-Erase and no tournament. If not for Black is would have been life as normal. The entire scoring system and the idea of erasing universes only came into being because Zen-Oh and Fututr Zen-Oh were allowed to meet, an event facilitated by Goku.

Because in Trunks future there was no Goku and U6 tournament

[Simere]

Noticing that the same people who said the tournament wasn't Gokus fault as the same people speculating the Angels are evil or that they aren't actually destroying the universes just teleporting them or even possibly going to bring them back later. It seems like reaching at this point. They're doing what they said they were going to do and people are pulling an out of universe Goku moment like "Nah, they don't really mean everything they've been saying for the past several months."

This is just like the Vados speculation times 100 that literally turned out to be nothing at all.

I've argued that it isn't Goku's fault(which was said twice in the story; first by Whis, then even more explicitly by Vados) and I'm not speculating that. Meanwhile, I just saw people arguing it's Goku's fault while also speculating that the angels are evil. It seems like you're reaching.

I suppose the new theory is that Krillin gives 18 the sunglasses and that's a rule violation. I hope not.

Where? Show me what you just saw.

What I saw was in a chat room, it's long since gone. You're actually so biased towards your own side that you need proof someone who agrees with you thinks differently about something else entirely?

[HeroR]

Question: If Goku still has stamina issues in the anime but he has fixed them in the manga of the future trunks arc, what will be the reason why he doesn't use this in the manga?

Since when has Goku fixed SSB stamina issue in the manga? Actually that was a giant plothole for the anime. Apparently we have to somehow believe Goku and Vegeta were spamming Blue in the FT arc and wasting stamina without reason. It's obvious at this point Toriyama wanted SSB to waste too much energy but for whatever reason Toei ignored ot.

Funny is that Toriyama himself at RoF mocked Golden Frieza for stamina issued making it look like SSB hasn't this

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's stamina issues is nothing on Golden Freeza who couldn't even maintain his max power for a few minutes. He drained so much that he went from dominating Goku to Goku no selling his attacks.

[Lord Frieza]

Goku wasn't the one to come up with the tournament so what has that got to do with the other speculations?

Actually it is his fault but not in the way most people think.

Him wanting the tournament was throwing all the lower universes a bone because without it they would all just be killed.

What is Goku's fault is this, He brought Future Zen-Oh to this timeline. Going by what Zamasu and Black talked about, 17 years in the future, all the universes are still around. There has been no Omni-Erase and no tournament. If not for Black is would have been life as normal. The entire scoring system and the idea of erasing universes only came into being because Zen-Oh and Fututr Zen-Oh were allowed to meet, an event facilitated by Goku.

Because in Trunks future there was no Goku and U6 tournament

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.