"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

I've argued that it isn't Goku's fault(which was said twice in the story; first by Whis, then even more explicitly by Vados) and I'm not speculating that. Meanwhile, I just saw people arguing it's Goku's fault while also speculating that the angels are evil. It seems like you're reaching.

I suppose the new theory is that Krillin gives 18 the sunglasses and that's a rule violation. I hope not.

Where? Show me what you just saw.

What I saw was in a chat room, it's long since gone. You're actually so biased towards your own side that you need proof someone who agrees with you thinks differently about something else entirely?

Asking for proof of a claim is biased??? I gave you an opportunity to prove your claim and you failed. I apologize that you were unable to support it.

Anyway the point I'm making is that the show blantantly and deliberately goes out of its way to paint Goku as the bad guy. Yet we have people who not only will make the claim that it wasn't his fault and then as if to mitigate the damage either pass the blame to the Grand Priest of some sinister plot or think the consequences aren't as dire even when the consequences are shown on screen. To be clear I'm not saying that any of these theories couldn't happen. The point I'm making is that we are at the point where fans run counter to what's being shown on screen to support head canon. It's like the narcissists prayer but replaced with Goku.

A Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did...
You deserved it.

A Goku fan's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if Goku did it, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not Goku's fault.
And if it was, Goku didn't mean it.
And if Goku did it...
They deserved it.

Look it just saying it's text book psychology at this point to explain away Goku's behavior. Lord Beerus basically shows that there is some level of responsibility Goku can accept for things. All I'm saying is there are aspects of the presentation that have to be taken at face value. The show is clearly trying to depict Goku as his reckless actions having consequences and rather to coming to terms with something known about his character fans are explaining it away using the above logic. It's just a psychological observation I made and not a big deal. I just find it interesting that it's occurring to such a large degree. I haven't actually seen this phenomenon in mass before with the exception of things like public figures caught in compromising situations.

[HeroR]

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

That isn't true. The Grand Priest said that Zen'o mentioned often that they're too many universes. Nothing about this idea came after meeting Future Zen'o. And the Grand Priest also never said that the mortal level was created recently.

If Goku didn't remind Zen'o of the tournament, eight universes would have been eventually destroyed rather it's soon or a hundred years from now.

[Lord Frieza]

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

That isn't true. The Grand Priest said that Zen'o mentioned often that they're too many universes. Nothing about this idea came after meeting Future Zen'o. And the Grand Priest also never said that the mortal level was created recently.

If Goku didn't remind Zen'o of the tournament, eight universes would have been eventually destroyed rather it's soon or a hundred years from now.

Fair enough.

[Kishido]

Actually it is his fault but not in the way most people think.

Him wanting the tournament was throwing all the lower universes a bone because without it they would all just be killed.

What is Goku's fault is this, He brought Future Zen-Oh to this timeline. Going by what Zamasu and Black talked about, 17 years in the future, all the universes are still around. There has been no Omni-Erase and no tournament. If not for Black is would have been life as normal. The entire scoring system and the idea of erasing universes only came into being because Zen-Oh and Fututr Zen-Oh were allowed to meet, an event facilitated by Goku.

Because in Trunks future there was no Goku and U6 tournament

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

WTF has Future Zeno do with it?

Even iwthout him Goku could have been bored and ask Zeno abotu the tournament

[Lord Frieza]

WTF has Future Zeno do with it?

Even iwthout him Goku could have been bored and ask Zeno abotu the tournament

See above ^. HeroR beat you to the punch and changed my mind. So yeah your right, I was wrong.

[Kishido]

WTF has Future Zeno do with it?

Even iwthout him Goku could have been bored and ask Zeno abotu the tournament

See above ^. HeroR beat you to the punch and changed my mind. So yeah your right, I was wrong.

Ok sorry

[Simere]

Where? Show me what you just saw.

What I saw was in a chat room, it's long since gone. You're actually so biased towards your own side that you need proof someone who agrees with you thinks differently about something else entirely?

Asking for proof of a claim is biased??? I gave you an opportunity to prove your claim and you failed. I apologize that you were unable to support it.

You're asking for proof for something incredibly mundane: the idea that two people could agree on one thing but disagree on something else. You don't think I can find people who blame Goku and also think angels are evil? Yeah, that's strange.

I didn't ask you for proof of your claim, because it wasn't strange to me that opinions differ. How about you provide that proof of all these people now, since you're being snotty about it?

[Lord Frieza]

WTF has Future Zeno do with it?

Even iwthout him Goku could have been bored and ask Zeno abotu the tournament

See above ^. HeroR beat you to the punch and changed my mind. So yeah your right, I was wrong.

Ok sorry

Its fine , I'm sorry to.

[Kishido]

See above ^. HeroR beat you to the punch and changed my mind. So yeah your right, I was wrong.

Ok sorry

Its fine , I'm sorry to.

[Shinda Forever]

Krillin is probably going to kill that green parrot guy in the next episode, lol

Fuck, ahahahahah, that fucking ridiculous green parrot is hilarious. I think it was a great opponent for Krillin.

[TheMikado]

WTF has Future Zeno do with it?

Even iwthout him Goku could have been bored and ask Zeno abotu the tournament

See above ^. HeroR beat you to the punch and changed my mind. So yeah your right, I was wrong.

Ok sorry

Well we don't know what the catalyst is, if Dragonball Online is still canon then we know Zeno hadn't planned on destroying the universes anytime within the next few hundred years or so.

Also I only remember one mention of Zeno thinking there were too many universes. I don't remember any recurring theme of him wanting to erase them. Not to mention Zeno pretty much not actively pursuing it. The isn't to absolve Zeno of responsibility, but lets no act like universe destruction was already a forgone conclusion with or without Goku.

One last thing, did Zeno create the universes? Also why exactly does he think there are too many? He had 18 at one point? So he wants to take the number down to 5? Why?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

That isn't true. The Grand Priest said that Zen'o mentioned often that they're too many universes. Nothing about this idea came after meeting Future Zen'o. And the Grand Priest also never said that the mortal level was created recently.

If Goku didn't remind Zen'o of the tournament, eight universes would have been eventually destroyed rather it's soon or a hundred years from now.

Exactly!! Goku has now given one universe a chance of survival that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

[TheMikado]

What I saw was in a chat room, it's long since gone. You're actually so biased towards your own side that you need proof someone who agrees with you thinks differently about something else entirely?

Asking for proof of a claim is biased??? I gave you an opportunity to prove your claim and you failed. I apologize that you were unable to support it.

You're asking for proof for something incredibly mundane: the idea that two people could agree on one thing but disagree on something else. You don't think I can find people who blame Goku and also think angels are evil? Yeah, that's strange.

I didn't ask you for proof of your claim, because it wasn't strange to me that opinions differ. How about you provide that proof of all these people now, since you're being snotty about it?

There's nothing snotty about it, your counter to my assertion was basically, well I've seen the opposite. I'm 100% positive those opinions do exist. I was just testing to see if you fabricated the "I saw" line out of thin air. That's all. No bias involved just testing anonymous internet claims.

[Lord Frieza]

Ok sorry

Its fine , I'm sorry to.

I'm glade we could settle this in such a nice and friendly manner............................. .

[TheMikado]

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

That isn't true. The Grand Priest said that Zen'o mentioned often that they're too many universes. Nothing about this idea came after meeting Future Zen'o. And the Grand Priest also never said that the mortal level was created recently.

If Goku didn't remind Zen'o of the tournament, eight universes would have been eventually destroyed rather it's soon or a hundred years from now.

Exactly!! Goku has now given one universe a chance of survival that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

But how do we know that? You're making Goku out to be some savior. How do we know that Zeno wouldn't be saving 6, or 10, or 1? How do we know 5 wasn't the original number and that he actually doomed a universe that would have otherwise been saved due to doing the hard work of actually keeping their Mortal Level up. Goku could have actually cause a universe who was more deserving of being saved to actually be destroyed by that logic.

[Simere]

Asking for proof of a claim is biased??? I gave you an opportunity to prove your claim and you failed. I apologize that you were unable to support it.

You're asking for proof for something incredibly mundane: the idea that two people could agree on one thing but disagree on something else. You don't think I can find people who blame Goku and also think angels are evil? Yeah, that's strange.

I didn't ask you for proof of your claim, because it wasn't strange to me that opinions differ. How about you provide that proof of all these people now, since you're being snotty about it?

There's nothing snotty about it, your counter to my assertion was basically, well I've seen the opposite. I'm 100% positive those opinions do exist. I was just testing to see if you fabricated the "I saw" line out of thin air. That's all. No bias involved just testing anonymous internet claims.

All right, that's fine. But If I were to say right now "I apologize you're unable to provide proof for your claim", would it smack a bit of snottiness to you?

[TheMikado]

You're asking for proof for something incredibly mundane: the idea that two people could agree on one thing but disagree on something else. You don't think I can find people who blame Goku and also think angels are evil? Yeah, that's strange.

I didn't ask you for proof of your claim, because it wasn't strange to me that opinions differ. How about you provide that proof of all these people now, since you're being snotty about it?

There's nothing snotty about it, your counter to my assertion was basically, well I've seen the opposite. I'm 100% positive those opinions do exist. I was just testing to see if you fabricated the "I saw" line out of thin air. That's all. No bias involved just testing anonymous internet claims.

All right, that's fine. But If I were to say right now "I apologize you're unable to provide proof for your claim", would it smack a bit of snottiness to you?

No you're in your right to do so. I would just tell you to refer to the post history of posters on this message board because the evidence is readily available.

[VegettoEX]

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[Kanassa]

And? No I'm serious whats that got to do with anything?

All that tells me is that there is a good reason for no multiverse tournament, which Zen-Oh nearly forgot about anyway. The Universe Level System and the idea of so many universe being pain were things came into existence sole because the to Omni-Kings met. 17 years in the future all the universe are still around so Future Zen-Oh clearly did not come up with the idea at this point in his time line on his own.

All that point to a simple fact: Had Goku not brought Future Zen-Oh back with him, none would have been destroyed. This IS all his fault.

That isn't true. The Grand Priest said that Zen'o mentioned often that they're too many universes. Nothing about this idea came after meeting Future Zen'o. And the Grand Priest also never said that the mortal level was created recently.

If Goku didn't remind Zen'o of the tournament, eight universes would have been eventually destroyed rather it's soon or a hundred years from now.

I don't understand this idea that Goku bringing Future Zeno is what caused the universal destruction or the tournament.

The tournament happens because Goku reminded Zeno about it
Who only thought up of the tournament because he was inspired by the tournament Champa and Beerus started
And before then Zeno was already planning to erase universes

As far as we know at this point, Future Zeno had little to no effect on the events that caused the tournament and it's rules to come to be.

[shadowmaria]

Based on the three synopsis' and the NEP for DBS99, I'm pretty confident in saying that the Parrot Warrior from Universe 10 is Gyum, mentioned a few times.

Also, I'm gonna take a stab and say that Smugfox with the two earrings is Shousa, also mentioned in the synopsis'