Will there be Angels/Gods of Destruction at the EOZ

[TheOne]

So after today's episode I think some of us started having more suspicions about Angels being future Antagonists (or at least some form of mortal vs angel rebellion).

If this were to occur, do you think they will get rid of Zeno and the Angels to make it so they aren't around at the EOZ? Would you like for them to still be involved?

Personally I have no idea how any of the mortals would ever overpower angels... But it's just a thought.

[Lionel]

As mentioned in a previous topic, I would prefer for some kind of factionalised splintering to occur with a few ningen sympathisers aligning against their brethren. It would make the prospects of an active resistance seem more realistic with a few angels siding with the mortals. The characterisations would also be more varied as it would paint the angels as capable of rational thought and making their own decisions, even if it's against their own kind.

[MajinVegetaPD]

As mentioned in a previous topic, I would prefer for some kind of factionalised splintering to occur with a few ningen sympathisers aligning against their brethren. It would make the prospects of an active resistance seem more realistic with a few angels siding with the mortals. The characterisations would also be more varied as it would paint the angels as capable of rational thought and making their own decisions, even if it's against their own kind.

I'm not sure what good that would do. Zeno can just literally wipe anyone out that's not on board with a mere thought. I don't see what good a rally would do, unless of course there is something we don't know about Zeno and/o the Grand Priest.

[Lionel]

As mentioned in a previous topic, I would prefer for some kind of factionalised splintering to occur with a few ningen sympathisers aligning against their brethren. It would make the prospects of an active resistance seem more realistic with a few angels siding with the mortals. The characterisations would also be more varied as it would paint the angels as capable of rational thought and making their own decisions, even if it's against their own kind.

I'm not sure what good that would do. Zeno can just literally wipe anyone out that's not on board with a mere thought. I don't see what good a rally would do, unless of course there is something we don't know about Zeno and/o the Grand Priest.

Take advantage of his childilke gullibility. Zeno may not be killable but they can still neutralise the threat he presents. My proposal would involve strategically marooning them in the decimated future timeline that the older Trunks who we all know originated from. He has no means for traversing timelines, far as we know. The issue I could see arising with this strategy would lie in the time rings. Team Survival would have to somehow wrest control of the entire multiversal supply of them away from whichever storage location they've been placed in. From there on it would be a matter of somehow battling Daishinkan and his forces.

Alternatively, who is to say the Super Dragon Balls couldn't destroy Zeno? Supposedly they're capable of granting any wish. I know some might cite the "no limits fallacy" argument, but in my defence, it's not as though we're familiar with the Super Dragon Balls' creator's power. Zarama has only been spoken of in passing. He's the only unknown variable we don't know about at this time.

[GodKaio-Ken]

As mentioned in a previous topic, I would prefer for some kind of factionalised splintering to occur with a few ningen sympathisers aligning against their brethren. It would make the prospects of an active resistance seem more realistic with a few angels siding with the mortals. The characterisations would also be more varied as it would paint the angels as capable of rational thought and making their own decisions, even if it's against their own kind.

I'm not sure what good that would do. Zeno can just literally wipe anyone out that's not on board with a mere thought. I don't see what good a rally would do, unless of course there is something we don't know about Zeno and/o the Grand Priest.

Take advantage of his childilke gullibility. Zeno may not be killable but they can still neutralise the threat he presents. My proposal would involve strategically marooning them in the decimated future timeline that the older Trunks who we all know originated from. He has no means for traversing timelines, far as we know. The issue I could see arising with this strategy would lie in the time rings. Team Survival would have to somehow wrest control of the entire multiversal supply of them away from whichever storage location they've been placed in. From there on it would be a matter of somehow battling Daishinkan and his forces.

Alternatively, who is to say the Super Dragon Balls couldn't destroy Zeno? Supposedly they're capable of granting any wish. I know some might cite the "no limits fallacy" argument, but in my defence, it's not as though we're familiar with the Super Dragon Balls' creator's power. Zarama has only been spoken of in passing. He's the only unknown variable we don't know about at this time.

Its much easier and more likely to just have the Zeno get mad at eachother and do a double erase creating a power vaccuum.

Maybe Grand Priest realized Future Zeno erased Future Grand Priest (assumed on my part) and now knows he can be gone at any time too. There is some motivation to deceive there.

I'm pretty sure the Super Dragon balls cant kill Zeno. Considering the fear Gods have of him I expect it would have been attempted at some point. I honestly dont even believe they can bring back what he has erased.

[Fizzer]

It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for Zeno to either be

-sent to another timeline
-trapped in a similar way to how Whis trapped Zamasu
-erased with the super dragon balls (by the Grand Priest?)

I would like to see the Angels become villains. I've always got that vibe from some of them, mainly Vados and the Grand Priest.

[Basako]

Yes, now we know they exited. They weren't there because...

- Off-universe: ...they hadn't been created by the author yet.

- In-universe: ...they had better things to do than watch a tounament in Earth. What things? Who knows.

[aravinthan]

Yes, now we know they exited. They weren't there because...

- Off-universe: ...they hadn't been created by the author yet.

- In-universe: ...they had better things to do than watch a tounament in Earth. What things? Who knows.

Perfect in-universe reason. Beerus and Whis never came to earth after they killed all of the...... Ok tried to kill all dinosaurs, which was like at least 10000 years before, as stated by Beerus. They didn't came to any tournament like tenachi budokais because they have no reason to be here watching mortals hit each other. So they didn't watch the tournament at EoZ.

[marcbret87]

Honestly, I have a hard time believing EoZ will still be cannon at the end of the series. In any case, to me it seems clear that something is up with the angels, Mojito's and even the Grand Priest's smile when U9 was erased is not quite what I'd expect

[aravinthan]

Honestly, I have a hard time believing EoZ will still be cannon at the end of the series. In any case, to me it seems clear that something is up with the angels, Mojito's and even the Grand Priest's smile when U9 was erased is not quite what I'd expect

I would love it if they retcon End of Z but I think Toyatoro said there will be no change in EoZ and super wont end by it.

[Kanious]

Until now i haven't seen ANY evidence of angels being evil. Mojito was happy about his universe being deleted because he despised the incompetent gods there, this is on toei official site since many months ago, also we saw in the anime many times that he was bothered by his gods attitudes.

I hope to see the whole EoZ being retconned [and surpassed] with what is established now, it would be miserable to discard everything that heppened and stick to the EoZ exactly like it was...

Also, about being evil, remember Future's Zeno. He wiped 12 universes in a blink of second, without any help from Grand Priest. Is he evil? Not. It is their nature, they all are doing their jobs... i think that there is a small possibility of Great Priest being "corrupted", but i don't think that it is at al...

[Basako]

Until now i haven't seen ANY evidence of angels being evil. Mojito was happy about his universe being deleted because he despised the incompetent gods there, this is on toei official site since many months ago, also we saw in the anime many times that he was bothered by his gods attitudes.

I hope to see the whole EoZ being retconned [and surpassed] with what is established now, it would be miserable to discard everything that heppened and stick to the EoZ exactly like it was...

Also, about being evil, remember Future's Zeno. He wiped 12 universes in a blink of second, without any help from Grand Priest. Is he evil? Not. It is their nature, they all are doing their jobs... i think that there is a small possibility of Great Priest being "corrupted", but i don't think that it is at al...

But nothing has to be discarded, there is room for the EoZ and Super together. Not for GT.

I like the EoZ, I didn't want neither expect it to be retconned and Toyotaro confirmed it won't. Toei and Toyotaro have respect for Toriyama's original story and the EoZ was always part of it.

There's no evidence about evil angels, but that smile looked evil. And why would his whole universe being erased make him happy? Just because he didn't like his gods? Nah.

[UpFromTheSkies]

You're assuming the only angels that exist are the ones we know about. Where is Whis and Vados' mother? There could be an entire race of angels living in an angelic realm separate from the 12 universes like the demon realm. And what about Zeno's race? He seems to be a child version of his guardians, what happened to his parents? Is the Grand Priest responsible for their disappearance?

[TheOne]

You're assuming the only angels that exist are the ones we know about. Where is Whis and Vados' mother? There could be an entire race of angels living in an angelic realm separate from the 12 universes like the demon realm. And what about Zeno's race? He seems to be a child version of his guardians, what happened to his parents? Is the Grand Priest responsible for their disappearance?

This seems possible as well. An angelic realm. We already know that Dabura came from some dark realm that shadowed this current one.

[TheOne]

Yes, now we know they exited. They weren't there because...

- Off-universe: ...they hadn't been created by the author yet.

- In-universe: ...they had better things to do than watch a tounament in Earth. What things? Who knows.

Perfect in-universe reason. Beerus and Whis never came to earth after they killed all of the...... Ok tried to kill all dinosaurs, which was like at least 10000 years before, as stated by Beerus. They didn't came to any tournament like tenachi budokais because they have no reason to be here watching mortals hit each other. So they didn't watch the tournament at EoZ.

Honestly I could see them coming for the special food that you get at sporting events, like funnel cakes and fried butter, but you're probably right.

Aside from the premiere of Uub (who could also be a candidate for God of Destruction one day) they have no reason to show up.

From an emotional stand point, I think Whis, Beerus and the Z fighters would have been through a lot together at this point. Especially if there's some sort of rebellion against Zeno or something. I think they would've developed a soft spot for U7 mortals and wouldn't mind coming to see them after x amount of years of being apart. I doubt Beerus has had this kind of interaction with mortals before. Aside from when he became a diety

[lancerman]

Nothing happened so far that would change the EOZ.