SSBlue -- people seem confused by it.

[TheMikado]

Goku said it drained stamina all the way back when he fought Hit though. Re-watch that episode and see for yourself. Still, like I wrote above, this only means it can't be used forever because it can tire you out, doesn't mean your ki level is dropping as you fight like it was the case with Golden Freeza.

How does that make it any different from the other forms? None of them can be kept on forever, Old Kai said as much when he told Goku NOT to transform before fusing with Gohan because it could have some bad consequences.

I don't know, the way the anime keeps portraying it they act like it's better than perfect SS but when they actually sit down and talk about it, it comes off like SS3 and the actual events do NOT support the later at all. There's literally no point that Blue's so-called stamina drain factors into anything besides as a plot device for Goku to not immediately murder stomp someone with it.

Well, it could be that infusing SS with SSG's power increases its physical drain back to pre-FPSS levels, in that it's not initial-Golden Freeza or SS3 levels of drain, but significant enough and shouldn't be used constantly, which is why regular FPSS is still useful, since it has none of the physical stamina drain.

SSB is perfect Ki control, and SS is perfect physical stamina control.

But we've never actually seen it drain stamina, then to top it off you have Goku using Kaioken, a stamina draining technique, stacked on top. Who also said there's a 90% chance to wreck his body but proceeds to stack KKx 10 on top of SSB. Again with no visible stamina drain to the point when he's able to casually stand around and maintain the stacked form. That's why this is odd. With SSJ3 we see the effects of drawing that much power multiple times and how taxing it can be.

[Snakeway Skywalker]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

[OLKv3]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

Revisionist history. I hate the majority of this fanbase

[Kogu 87]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

We do know that it requires a proper amount of stamina to activate & maintain ( we see this during the final battle vs metaphysical zamasu ).

[OLKv3]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

We do know that it requires a proper amount of stamina to activate & maintain ( we see this during the final battle vs metaphysical zamasu ).

That was ki that it required

[ekrolo2]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

We do know that it requires a proper amount of stamina to activate & maintain ( we see this during the final battle vs metaphysical zamasu ).

That's because Goku & Vegeta are drained from the fusion and then giving Trunks whatever power they had left for the Spirit Sword. Being too weak to turn it on isn't exactly an exclusive thing to Blue since Vegeta can't use any SS form when he goes to stall Kid Boo.

[Saturnine]

You're probably right - it's just a drama-preserving handicap for Goku and Vegeta, without it they'd be way too OP.

But still, it's not like pre-FPSSj could fight all that long. Keep in mind that Goku's battle against Freeza lasted only somewhat longer than 5 minutes, while here he'd have to hold out for 48. I don't think an unmastered SSj could fight for that long while exerting himself. Might be the case too for Blue. Not a debilitating weakness, but still something to be kept in mind when attempting to last that long in battle.

Oh, and FPSSj Goku also got tired as hell after fighting Cell. Not due to the form itself, but granted still.

[Kogu 87]

I like how all the DBS YouTubers are reviewing this episode like "yeah, of course we know that blue drains stamina quickly & heavily", soo.

Since when did we know that before?

We do know that it requires a proper amount of stamina to activate & maintain ( we see this during the final battle vs metaphysical zamasu ).

That was ki that it required

Is ki not linked to stamina in a way ?

For example, when a fighter throw a number of power punches, this reduces their stamina.
Should work the same way with a ki blast / ki utilisation - we have seen characters pant with fatigue after using certain ki-based attacks/transformations.

[Shinda Forever]

They keep calling it blue but the color is green, the same as ssj eyes.

[Simere]

They keep calling it blue but the color is green, the same as ssj eyes.

It's always blue with the aura; without it can veer into the teal range.

[Shinda Forever]

They keep calling it blue but the color is green, the same as ssj eyes.

It's always blue with the aura; without it can veer into the teal range.

I would say that without the aura, it is green.

[ChiefWamsutta]

This is such bullshit.

I thought Goku and Vegeta achieved perfect Ki and stamina control with anime SSBlue.

That is how Goku could do SSBlue KK.

Is this what Toshio meant by vote for SSBlue as the next Dokkan Theme?!?! Are we gonna see SSBlue Completed in the anime?! Then how is SSBlue KK possible?!

Fuck this bullshit. How do you even explain this shit anymore?

[Bullza]

Since when did we know that before?"

I thought Goku and Vegeta achieved perfect Ki and stamina control with anime SSBlue.

Fuck this bullshit. How do you even explain this shit anymore?

I see that this is confusing people and I'm not sure why. Back in Episode 38 when Goku fights Hit, Hit asks him if he forgot to transform but Goku tells him it uses a lot of energy and that he was saving it for after.

I thought that was the whole reason why he fought him in Base form to start with.

[Snakeway Skywalker]

Since when did we know that before?"

I thought Goku and Vegeta achieved perfect Ki and stamina control with anime SSBlue.

Fuck this bullshit. How do you even explain this shit anymore?

I see that this is confusing people and I'm not sure why. Back in Episode 38 when Goku fights Hit, Hit asks him if he forgot to transform but Goku tells him it uses a lot of energy and that he was saving it for after.

I thought that was the whole reason why he fought him in Base form to start with.

Man, that was awhile ago. I don't remember it so well.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Since when did we know that before?"

I thought Goku and Vegeta achieved perfect Ki and stamina control with anime SSBlue.

Fuck this bullshit. How do you even explain this shit anymore?

I see that this is confusing people and I'm not sure why. Back in Episode 38 when Goku fights Hit, Hit asks him if he forgot to transform but Goku tells him it uses a lot of energy and that he was saving it for after.

I thought that was the whole reason why he fought him in Base form to start with.

Man, that was awhile ago. I don't remember it so well.

Bullza is right. Goku did say that. I distinctly remember it because I was so confused, since I thought that was only from the manga.

I have an idea about this whole thing. Goku probably always had this blue stamina. He has been awake for over 48 hours straight and used SSBlue multiple times during that. So using it during the tournament is a last resort.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

So did this past episode make the Two-Base Theory more or less plausible?

[Lionel]

I'm not too concerned over the idea of characters acquiring God Ki, provided there's some kind of explanation for it. Think about it -- from the highest multiversal destroyer to the lowliest planetary overseer, all of these beings would technically constitute as gods. Karin should logically have god ki yet how much of the cast has surpassed him? Every Z-fighter of note, that's who. Plus Tao getting some cybernetic upgrades was somehow enough to surpass a god. Does anyone question that factoid? I will grant the level of Hakaishin and SSJG has been put on a far higher pedestal through the dialogue, but the basic gesture of surpassing is all the same.

[Snakeway Skywalker]

There's a point when I take a step back and realize how nerdy this whole discussion is. I think I'm gonna take my leave from this thread now.

[greeZH]

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerds!

[Saturnine]

They keep calling it blue but the color is green, the same as ssj eyes.

It's always blue with the aura; without it can veer into the teal range.

I would say that without the aura, it is green.

Dude, it's tbe bluest shade of blue possible, no idea where you pulled the green from. Is everything ok with your color vision?