So the tournament is already too Goku-centered, why bring the older cast back?

[Chuquita]

At the very least it keeps the audience guessing. "Is this character getting the spotlight a part of Toriyama's outline? Or is it because Toei likes this character and is trying to make them look good even when the script doesn't involve them much?".

Krillin I can definitely see because he's voiced by Luffy, Mayumi Tanaka. He sounds like Luffy; the kids like Luffy, Toei thinks to itself.
Gohan I think has fans on the staff who want to see him promoted, so they got out of their way to do so. I mean I could be wrong and he could win the tournament, but Gokû's the one getting the new form, not him; at least the advertisement made it look that way.

They gave Gohan one of the best fights in DBS(Yamamuro animated the last bit of Gohan going for Kaioken Goku iirc ), so the staff likes him.

Gohan will have a powerup tbh, look at the Trunks arc for example, with Trunks fighting Merged Zamasu in the Climax instead of Goku, the casuals loved it despite not being part of Toriyamas outline. Its clear Toriyama wants to be Goku and Vegeta centric, which is one of the main reason Toyotaro needs to take over.

I don't think it's Vegeta centric anymore. It's been 28 episodes since he last felt like the second protagonist. The episode he got this past weekend was his first big one since early December of last year.

Gokû's still protagonist, but he's my favorite so I can't agree in wanting Toyotaro to take over if the purpose would be to off Gokû.

That said, I still wish Future Trunks had been the one to deal the final attack that'd kill Zamasu. Omni King stole that kill.

[Jigurashi]

At the very least it keeps the audience guessing. "Is this character getting the spotlight a part of Toriyama's outline? Or is it because Toei likes this character and is trying to make them look good even when the script doesn't involve them much?".

Krillin I can definitely see because he's voiced by Luffy, Mayumi Tanaka. He sounds like Luffy; the kids like Luffy, Toei thinks to itself.
Gohan I think has fans on the staff who want to see him promoted, so they got out of their way to do so. I mean I could be wrong and he could win the tournament, but Gokû's the one getting the new form, not him; at least the advertisement made it look that way.

They gave Gohan one of the best fights in DBS(Yamamuro animated the last bit of Gohan going for Kaioken Goku iirc ), so the staff likes him.

Gohan will have a powerup tbh, look at the Trunks arc for example, with Trunks fighting Merged Zamasu in the Climax instead of Goku, the casuals loved it despite not being part of Toriyamas outline. Its clear Toriyama wants to be Goku and Vegeta centric, which is one of the main reason Toyotaro needs to take over.

I don't think it's Vegeta centric anymore. It's been 28 episodes since he last felt like the second protagonist. The episode he got this past weekend was his first big one since early December of last year.

Gokû's still protagonist, but he's my favorite so I can't agree in wanting Toyotaro to take over if the purpose would be to off Gokû.

That said, I still wish Future Trunks had been the one to deal the final attack that'd kill Zamasu. Omni King stole that kill.

Zen-chan couldn't really steal that kill since Trunks is technically the reason Zen-chan needed to be brought in.

[Chuquita]

An unsatisfying kill, then. It felt unsatisfying to not have Trunks be the one to defeat Zamasu, but for it to be someone with no skin in that game/dog in that fight/horse in that race/etc.

[TBMx]

The Trunks vs Zamasu ending made no sense and didn't fit the tone of dragonball and certified his position as a Mary Sue. Him getting the kill on Zamasu's physical body wasn't what made him so, it was the absurd way it was written. The asspull Super Saiyan Rage was tolerable then the Mafuba learned instantly from a video was really pushing it, then the spirit bomb sword blew it. Clearly there's a trunks fanboy on the writing staff. I DON'T want the same to happen to Gohan again. Gohan never earns his powers, he relies on overpowered "potential", which just makes him another cheap Mary Sue. If they do the same to Gohan or anyone as they did to Trunks, that will ruin the arc. As soon as I hear they're going to focus on a Saiyan half breed, at this point my eyes roll and I think here we go... I hope having Gohan in the end shot was just a for show and not a sign of his promotion to second main character.

[Shinda Forever]

The Trunks vs Zamasu ending made no sense and didn't fit the tone of dragonball and certified his position as a Mary Sue. Him getting the kill on Zamasu's physical body wasn't what made him so, it was the absurd way it was written. The asspull Super Saiyan Rage was tolerable then the Mafuba learned instantly from a video was really pushing it, then the spirit bomb sword blew it. Clearly there's a trunks fanboy on the writing staff. I DON'T want the same to happen to Gohan again. Gohan never earns his powers, he relies on overpowered "potential", which just makes him another cheap Mary Sue. If they do the same to Gohan or anyone as they did to Trunks, that will ruin the arc. As soon as I hear they're going to focus on a Saiyan half breed, at this point my eyes roll and I think here we go... I hope having Gohan in the end shot was just a for show and not a sign of his promotion to second main character.

If Gohan becomes the second main character it will be a disaster for a franchise.

[KidGoku>3]

It will always be Goku centric in the end. Deal with it. Or stop watching.
This constant 'its all about Goku' complaints has gotten old.
Ironically Goku hasnt really defeated anyone of importance yet, 100 episodes in.
Without Goku there wont be a DB for long. So be careful what you wish for.For every person who doesnt want to watch him there are hundreds of people who would lose interest without him.

I feel like most of you became fan of this show way later on with Z. Remember DB ? No Gohan no Vegeta just Gokus adventures with side characters. No one complained about this back then because it wasnt a d1ck measuring contest with insane power levels. They even tried making another character the main character and they quickly realized their mistKe and brought Goku back as the main guy. I remember during that stretch how Gohan fans took things for granted and demanded MORE and look what happened ? They almost wrote him off barely giving him enough screen time let alone being the Yamcha of start of Super for a large part.Those fans got a taste of humility and just wished for him to be part of the gang let alone front and center.

Besides Super has given other characters more than enough screen time as it is.
I want other characters to shine too but sometimes I wish it would be about Goku 100% of the time just to annoy the constant complainers. Be appreciative of what we have now. A far contrast from DB GT. If the main characters presence annoys you so much maybe stop watching it. Cause he will always be the main character through DB Z GT and now.

[TBMx]

Gohan's character is just repeating itself at this point. He slacked off, and now he had his potential awakened again and is now going to face his doubts and overcome them again I get it. I had enough of that shit.

Goku himself as a character - to the people debating him getting centre stage 24/7 the problem is they have a huge cast and choose to overwhelmingly focus on one of the least complex and least interesting and most tensionless characters they have. It doesn't develop the setting, it stagnates it.

[Simere]

Gohan's character is just repeating itself at this point. He slacked off, and now he had his potential awakened again and is now going to face his doubts and overcome them again I get it. I had enough of that shit.

Goku himself as a character - to the people debating him getting centre stage 24/7 the problem is they have a huge cast and choose to overwhelmingly focus on one of the least complex and least interesting and most tensionless characters they have. It doesn't develop the setting, it stagnates it.

There's nothing stagnant about DB's setting. It's developed tremendously from its origins, and continues to develop; owing almost entirely to the new heights and new worlds that having Goku as a protagonist demands.

[TBMx]

Gohan's character is just repeating itself at this point. He slacked off, and now he had his potential awakened again and is now going to face his doubts and overcome them again I get it. I had enough of that shit.

Goku himself as a character - to the people debating him getting centre stage 24/7 the problem is they have a huge cast and choose to overwhelmingly focus on one of the least complex and least interesting and most tensionless characters they have. It doesn't develop the setting, it stagnates it.

There's nothing stagnant about DB's setting. It's developed tremendously from its origins, and continues to develop; owing almost entirely to the new heights and new worlds that having Goku as a protagonist demands.

It's expanded okay, but could be a lot better. Think of all the time devoted to the same old with Goku, that could go into expanding the settings of other universes, or the rest of the z warriors. If Goku is such a great character and such a powerful brand, he shouldn't have to hog the spotlight in almost every episode. Seriously, how are people not sick of him by now?

[Shinda Forever]

Gohan's character is just repeating itself at this point. He slacked off, and now he had his potential awakened again and is now going to face his doubts and overcome them again I get it. I had enough of that shit.

Goku himself as a character - to the people debating him getting centre stage 24/7 the problem is they have a huge cast and choose to overwhelmingly focus on one of the least complex and least interesting and most tensionless characters they have. It doesn't develop the setting, it stagnates it.

Precisely! That's what i think as well, Gohan is a shitty failed character whose story was already told. We had enough of that ridiculous idiot. He is getting in the way. Hitto needs to crush him as soon as possible. I hope he is the next one to be eliminated.

I recall seeing a whole thread dedicated to how his head looks like a purple penis, so he kind of has one. As for Krillin, I thought of nutsack, but I found this:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Do you think his head looks like a purple penis? The design would need to be slightly different.

Perhaps a little, but it wasn't until random people in the internet pointed that out that I saw it. Regardless, I have failed my mission to make you mad. I made fun of your character but it seems you're not as personally attached to him as I expected, not like the Krillin fans you angered. Props.

I'm attached to the character, but, i keep things in perspective, ie, this is just an anime, not a real life battle, plus, we are talking about dragon ball and they are really good at destroying great characters, therefore, i don't have great expectations for him since they already fucked him up a little in the manga, but, i hope he can continue to do very well in the anime since he has everything to stay on the top3 of the strongest characters. It is up to Toriyama and db super producers to do the right thing.

[Kanassa]

his position as a Mary Sue.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Simere]

It's expanded okay, but could be a lot better. Think of all the time devoted to the same old with Goku, that could go into expanding the settings of other universes, or the rest of the z warriors. If Goku is such a great character and such a powerful brand, he shouldn't have to hog the spotlight in almost every episode. Seriously, how are people not sick of him by now?

I'm thinking of it right now. Praise be that I won't have to endure DB straying away from DB just to flesh out the parody of gag universes. Remember when you called the recruitment arc "hack filler"? It would be that same quality, at best.

[Kagari]

The Trunks vs Zamasu ending made no sense and didn't fit the tone of dragonball and certified his position as a Mary Sue. Him getting the kill on Zamasu's physical body wasn't what made him so, it was the absurd way it was written. The asspull Super Saiyan Rage was tolerable then the Mafuba learned instantly from a video was really pushing it, then the spirit bomb sword blew it. Clearly there's a trunks fanboy on the writing staff. I DON'T want the same to happen to Gohan again. Gohan never earns his powers, he relies on overpowered "potential", which just makes him another cheap Mary Sue. If they do the same to Gohan or anyone as they did to Trunks, that will ruin the arc. As soon as I hear they're going to focus on a Saiyan half breed, at this point my eyes roll and I think here we go... I hope having Gohan in the end shot was just a for show and not a sign of his promotion to second main character.

If Gohan becomes the second main character it will be a disaster for a franchise.

Yes such a disaster that a character, who was pretty much the second main character in DBZ, reclaim that spot again. Gohan's been heavily focused on for months now so I don't really see what the problem is.

[Shinda Forever]

The Trunks vs Zamasu ending made no sense and didn't fit the tone of dragonball and certified his position as a Mary Sue. Him getting the kill on Zamasu's physical body wasn't what made him so, it was the absurd way it was written. The asspull Super Saiyan Rage was tolerable then the Mafuba learned instantly from a video was really pushing it, then the spirit bomb sword blew it. Clearly there's a trunks fanboy on the writing staff. I DON'T want the same to happen to Gohan again. Gohan never earns his powers, he relies on overpowered "potential", which just makes him another cheap Mary Sue. If they do the same to Gohan or anyone as they did to Trunks, that will ruin the arc. As soon as I hear they're going to focus on a Saiyan half breed, at this point my eyes roll and I think here we go... I hope having Gohan in the end shot was just a for show and not a sign of his promotion to second main character.

If Gohan becomes the second main character it will be a disaster for a franchise.

Yes such a disaster that a character, who was pretty much the second main character in DBZ, reclaim that spot again. Gohan's been heavily focused on for months now so I don't really see what the problem is.

He was never the second main character on dbz. Vegeta was always bigger than Gohan. I don't believe that he is going to reclaim anything, the only thing he reclaimed was his former power as ultimate Gohan nothing else, and by the way, Frieza will be the second most important warrior from U7 not Gohan or Vegeta. Do you wanna bet?

[Jigurashi]

Gohan's character is just repeating itself at this point. He slacked off, and now he had his potential awakened again and is now going to face his doubts and overcome them again I get it. I had enough of that shit.

Goku himself as a character - to the people debating him getting centre stage 24/7 the problem is they have a huge cast and choose to overwhelmingly focus on one of the least complex and least interesting and most tensionless characters they have. It doesn't develop the setting, it stagnates it.

There's nothing stagnant about DB's setting. It's developed tremendously from its origins, and continues to develop; owing almost entirely to the new heights and new worlds that having Goku as a protagonist demands.

It's expanded okay, but could be a lot better. Think of all the time devoted to the same old with Goku, that could go into expanding the settings of other universes, or the rest of the z warriors. If Goku is such a great character and such a powerful brand, he shouldn't have to hog the spotlight in almost every episode. Seriously, how are people not sick of him by now?

I'm not sick of him because I find him currently the most interesting character. This saga is also clearly doing something with him which is why I'm invested in his character, I can't say the same for any of the other U7 members barring maybe Gohan and Freeza. May be a minority opinion but I find current Goku the most interesting he's been since he was a kid. Haven't been so invested with he character since then. The others aren't being built up for something the way Goku, Gohan, and Freeza are.

Tenshinhan I find to be the most boring and uninteresting character in the series, I also find Vegeta incredibly boring in Super too making me apathetic towards him and Ten, and I'm neutral on everyone else. For me, the series (in Super) doesn't do anything interesting with most of the characters and when they have the potential to they had dropped the ball (for example Ten having his own dojo. A perfect opportunity to make him more interesting but that failed).

[HeroR]

his position as a Mary Sue.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

"Mary Sue", any character I don't like that gets undue attention from my POV.

Then again, the same fanbase calls Future Trunks in Super a Mary Sue, despite failing in everything and losing his own timeline.

[Jigurashi]

his position as a Mary Sue.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

"Mary Sue", any character I don't like that gets undue attention from my POV.

Then again, the same fanbase calls Future Trunks in Super a Mary Sue, despite failing in everything and losing his own timeline.

Funny enough, the most Mary Sue like thing was the way Caulifla got SSJ2 and her apologists defending her with the reasoning that she's a genius. No problem with her getting SSJ2, it was just handled pretty poorly.

[HeroR]

Funny enough, the most Mary Sue like thing was the way Caulifla got SSJ2 and her apologists defending her with the reasoning that she's a genius. No problem with her getting SSJ2, it was just handled pretty poorly.

Really no different to me than Goten and Trunks getting Super Saiyan off-scene with no difficult. Or Gotenks getting Super Saiyan 3 for reasons. The anime added that bit about Goku personally showing Goten and Trunks Super Saiyan 3.

[incarnati0n]

Funny enough, the most Mary Sue like thing was the way Caulifla got SSJ2 and her apologists defending her with the reasoning that she's a genius. No problem with her getting SSJ2, it was just handled pretty poorly.

Akira Toriyama took elements from star wars in the past if i'm not mistaken. Maybe he is basing Caulifla on Rey.

[Shinda Forever]

There's nothing stagnant about DB's setting. It's developed tremendously from its origins, and continues to develop; owing almost entirely to the new heights and new worlds that having Goku as a protagonist demands.

It's expanded okay, but could be a lot better. Think of all the time devoted to the same old with Goku, that could go into expanding the settings of other universes, or the rest of the z warriors. If Goku is such a great character and such a powerful brand, he shouldn't have to hog the spotlight in almost every episode. Seriously, how are people not sick of him by now?

I'm not sick of him because I find him currently the most interesting character. This saga is also clearly doing something with him which is why I'm invested in his character, I can't say the same for any of the other U7 members barring maybe Gohan and Freeza. May be a minority opinion but I find current Goku the most interesting he's been since he was a kid. Haven't been so invested with he character since then. The others aren't being built up for something the way Goku, Gohan, and Freeza are.

Tenshinhan I find to be the most boring and uninteresting character in the series, I also find Vegeta incredibly boring in Super too making me apathetic towards him and Ten, and I'm neutral on everyone else. For me, the series (in Super) doesn't do anything interesting with most of the characters and when they have the potential to they had dropped the ball (for example Ten having his own dojo. A perfect opportunity to make him more interesting but that failed).

They never tried to make him interesting, otherwise, they would have developed his alien ancestry.