Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[GodKaio-Ken]

Shin said it in the DBSuper Manga when Vegito Blue formed.

Shin on multiple occasions has proven to be pretty incompetent. I'm pretty sure Shin has no clue whatsoever about where Beeruses limits are. I'm positive this was said just for affect and drama.

Second, you're referring to the manga. The anime has made it very transparent that there's still a ginormous gap between the mortals and gods of Destruction, with the exception of one.

Whatever you want, haha. I disagree heavily that SSB Vegito, Mutated Merged Zamasu, and SSRage Sword of Hope Trunks are stronger than Beerus; I believe they are slightly below. Do whatever you want though, haha.

Vegito and Merged Zamasu are implied to be but Trunks is not. Merged Zamasu was weakened by that point.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Vegito and Merged Zamasu are implied to be but Trunks is not. Merged Zamasu was weakened by that point.

Plus, Future Trunks only did so well because of the Genkidama Sword, a cutting version of the Genkidama. As well Merged Zamasu's body was breaking down by the second as his Potara Fusion continued, and he was arguably an even more evil entity than Pure Buu.

[Bullza]

If he didn't have the Genki Sword he could have still manifested that power in a different way,he probably could have punched him apart like Goku did to Super Android 13.

I don't know much Merged Zamasu could have weakened by the time Trunks fought him because about a minute beforehand he shrugged off a Final Kamehameha like it was nothing.

[Ki Breaker]

How does manga trunks stack up against anime trunks pre ikari?

[Dragonballgod19]

How does manga trunks stack up against anime trunks pre ikari?

Dbs ssj2 trunks is low god tier he tank black and zamasu merged ki blast in ep 61 and kick rose black into a wall and block his attack

[Lord Beerus]

Nothing major to report about this episode. Frost knocked out Krillin with his back turned and SSJ Vegeta understandably couldn't do any damage to Botamo or Magetta.

NEP showed SSJ Goku smacking SSJ Caulifla around.

[Krillin1994]

Nothing major to report about this episode. Frost knocked out Krillin with his back turned and SSJ Vegeta understandably couldn't do any damage to Botamo or Magetta.

NEP showed SSJ Goku smacking SSJ Caulifla around.

Since frost has powered up and it was a guard lowered moment we can't use it to infer that Krillin hasn't surpassed namek final form frieza. Assuming that Frost was made to be = Frieza before.

[Bullza]

I've already forgot a few things that happened.

Krillin beat the Fox guy. What else?

The most interesting thing was the preview for the next episode, looks like Super Saiyan Caulifla was holding her own against Super Saiyan Goku and then they both turn Super Saiyan 2 at some point. So they're probably on par with each other which would make sense being as Cabba was about on par with Vegeta.

[Animelover5487]

So, can we at least infer from this episode that the fox is weaker than Kuririn (he only kicked around Kuririn and #18 for a bit because they thought the Solar Flare had blinded him)? The parrot also appears to be weaker than Roshi or maybe Kuririn weaken him when he cut off his wing?

[Zamasu55]

Jiumu (the bird) is another fodder. Probably weaker than Raditz.

Shousa (green wolf): Weaker than 18.

Majora (fox): Somewhat even with Krillin. This means he isn't even Namek Frieza level, am I right? Unless Krillin is stronger than that, which I refuse to believe.

[Marlowe89]

I'd say Majora is a bit stronger than Krillin, actually. After the Solar Flare failed, Krillin was pretty much relying purely on strategy whereas Majora was just using his natural abilities. Granted, I don't believe he's that much stronger.

Shousa is somewhere between Krillin and 18. Jiumu is a total scrub.

The most interesting thing was the preview for the next episode, looks like Super Saiyan Caulifla was holding her own against Super Saiyan Goku and then they both turn Super Saiyan 2 at some point. So they're probably on par with each other which would make sense being as Cabba was about on par with Vegeta.

Yeah, the ToP has been surprisingly consistent on the power-scaling front so far. No complaints here.

[Animelover5487]

Also, why did Frost run away from #18? He should be able to beat her easily.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Could Vegeta be able to beat Hitto now?
Some points to take into consideration

- He seemed very confident in saying that he would ''return the favor''
- He already knows Tokitobashi perfectly
- Goku only with SSB was able to break the Toktobashi of Hitto (and Vegeta is as strong or even more than Goku SSB)
- He also saw the fight of Goku and Hitto on Earth, so maybe he knows the intangibility
- He is much stronger than before.

[Hugo Boss]

I think it's very clear Jiren is most certainty not the mortal you are speaking of.

I don't know why people are still treating this as the gospel truth.

How do you know about that? Everyone here is speculating. It's perfectly possible to be or not to be him. Giving the hype he is receiving lately, he is the first to come in mind, but it could be someone from the 4 high-ranked universes.

It's definitely someone from the other universes.

Not yet. The arc barely began. Even if you think Beerus' level is far too great for Goku or Jiren to handle, none has seen what they will be capable of. Besides, try to show some respect for the other users. Speculation is not invalidated by speculation.

[TheOne]

How do you know about that? Everyone here is speculating. It's perfectly possible to be or not to be him. Giving the hype he is receiving lately, he is the first to come in mind, but it could be someone from the 4 high-ranked universes.

It's definitely someone from the other universes.

Not yet. The arc barely began. Even if you think Beerus' level is far too great for Goku or Jiren to handle, none has seen what they will be capable of. Besides, try to show some respect for the other users. Speculation is not invalidated by speculation.

I gave a very clear explanation as to why this was false. I think you should go check it out.

[wolflonnie]

I keep having the impression that Krillin isn't too far from Android 18, meaning he's at least initial SSJ tier (would fit nicely with Goku going SSJ against him).
I mean, if Majora was equal-ish to A18 (resisting her attacks) BUT Krillin didn't seem THAT distant from him... I can see Krillin being SSJ Goku on Namek levels. Which wouldn't be completely unbelievable.

[ChiefWamsutta]

It's definitely someone from the other universes.

Not yet. The arc barely began. Even if you think Beerus' level is far too great for Goku or Jiren to handle, none has seen what they will be capable of. Besides, try to show some respect for the other users. Speculation is not invalidated by speculation.

I gave a very clear explanation as to why this was false. I think you should go check it out.

And you gave me an explanation on why you believe certain things about the Zamasu arc, but it was your belief and I have my own. Everyone chooses to interpret the show in their own way.

Also, don't speak in absolutes, man, because it comes across very poorly.

[Bullza]

Could Vegeta be able to beat Hitto now?
Some points to take into consideration

- He seemed very confident in saying that he would ''return the favor''
- He already knows Tokitobashi perfectly
- Goku only with SSB was able to break the Toktobashi of Hitto (and Vegeta is as strong or even more than Goku SSB)
- He also saw the fight of Goku and Hitto on Earth, so maybe he knows the intangibility
- He is much stronger than before.

Vegeta could beat Hit only if he saw how Goku was able to beat Hit by over powering his Time Dome thing.

Depends if Hit would be stupid enough to make the same mistake again.

Otherwise no, I don't think he would. Same with Golden Frieza and Super Saiyan Rose Black, they might all be stronger than Hit but they don't have the fighting intelligence or skill to be able to beat Hit.

After Jiren and Goku I'd say Hit was possibly the biggest threat just due to the sheer hax that he has.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

It looks like martial arts and strategy are once again the main explanation for why seemingly weak fighters can fight against seemingly stronger ones, and vice versa.

When strength is actually emphasized, THEN I think we'll see "legitimate" albeit simplified power-scaling. For example, SS2 Saiyans being stronger than SS Saiyans, etc.

[Dragonballgod19]

Could Vegeta be able to beat Hitto now?
Some points to take into consideration

- He seemed very confident in saying that he would ''return the favor''
- He already knows Tokitobashi perfectly
- Goku only with SSB was able to break the Toktobashi of Hitto (and Vegeta is as strong or even more than Goku SSB)
- He also saw the fight of Goku and Hitto on Earth, so maybe he knows the intangibility
- He is much stronger than before.

Vegeta could beat Hit only if he saw how Goku was able to beat Hit by over powering his Time Dome thing.

Depends if Hit would be stupid enough to make the same mistake again.

Otherwise no, I don't think he would. Same with Golden Frieza and Super Saiyan Rose Black, they might all be stronger than Hit but they don't have the fighting intelligence or skill to be able to beat Hit.

After Jiren and Goku I'd say Hit was possibly the biggest threat just due to the sheer hax that he has.

I'm pretty sure vegeta could have beaten hit he's pretty much nothing impressive anymore Ssb goku already beat him in the rematch