"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

If a Kaioshin is killed then the Hakaishin he is connected to, vanishes. The Angel that served to be his attendant is desativacted, which means becoming incapable of doing anything to someone? That's why the Angels did nothing to Zamasu?

And going by that logic: if the Grand Priest is Zeno attendant, if somehow he is killed then the Grand Priest could do nothing too?

[Shinda Forever]

You heard? Certainly Vegeta fans. Do you really believe that? Goku also trained with Whis. Goku is always stronger than Vegeta. Have you seen both training under Whis? Goku was always a step ahead. Training in the rosat means nothing, in the Cell arc, he also trained one more year than Goku and as everyone knows Goku was a lot stronger than Vegeta.

I definitely don't agree with them, given how Goku's Kamehameha alone fared as well against Fused Zamasu as Vegeta and Trunks's combined Galick Gun did in literally the same damn arc where Vegeta apparently surpassed him. Then Goku would be training and fighting the other U7 guys while Vegeta would be looking after Bra and getting rusty. Though I'd still say that both of them are exactly equal in power, with none of them having a noticeable advantage over the other, like how it had been in RoF.

They are very close in power, but not equals, specially in this tournament, while Frieza proved that he has exactly the same power as Goku.

[Ki Breaker]

If a Kaioshin is killed then the Hakaishin he is connected to, vanishes. The Angel that served to be his attendant is desativacted, which means becoming incapable of doing anything to someone? That's why the Angels did nothing to Zamasu?

And going by that logic: if the Grand Priest is Zeno attendant, if somehow he is killed then the Grand Priest could do nothing too?

What deactivation means isn't specified, let's just assume they won't be of any help anymore..

Yes, zeno dies, which I predict he will in the future, grand priest is deactivated, and so I would assume the guards having no one to guard also do nothing, I believe we were given the extra tidbit of grand priest being Zeno's angle for a reason and the reason is this..

[perucho1990]

If a Kaioshin is killed then the Hakaishin he is connected to, vanishes. The Angel that served to be his attendant is desativacted, which means becoming incapable of doing anything to someone? That's why the Angels did nothing to Zamasu?

And going by that logic: if the Grand Priest is Zeno attendant, if somehow he is killed then the Grand Priest could do nothing too?

Yep, pretty much, Daishinkan needs some kind of a weakness to make up how OP he is, and also explains why Zeno has bodyguards.

[TheOne]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

[Whatever]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

So you are asking why MrPoisonNeedle does not fight his opponents head on?

[Boo Machine]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

Frost doesn't come off like your typical Brawler. One that would normally fight fair. He constantly uses dirty tactics or cheap shots. He used to fool people with his Nice guy act and then used hidden poison needles. Now it seems like he is using hit and run tactics. Probably going around kicking people in the nuts and running off.

[TheOne]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

So you are asking why MrPoisonNeedle does not fight his opponents head on?

More like why pass up someone you know you can beat? Picking on people weaker than you is Frieza Race trait as well.

[TheOne]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

Frost doesn't come off like your typical Brawler. One that would normally fight fair. He constantly uses dirty tactics or cheap shots. He used to fool people with his Nice guy act and then used hidden poison needles. Now it seems like he is using hit and run tactics. Probably going around kicking people in the nuts and running off.

Yeah that sounds like something he'd do. But like I told the guy above, picking on weaker fighters (like golden Frieza did with the assassins) seems to be something that's line up with his personality as well. But I guess you're right. The goal is to win, so why not knock her out

[Boo Machine]

Does anyone know exactly why Frost ran off after knocking out Krillin? Surely he could've knocked her out as well without too much effort.

Frost doesn't come off like your typical Brawler. One that would normally fight fair. He constantly uses dirty tactics or cheap shots. He used to fool people with his Nice guy act and then used hidden poison needles. Now it seems like he is using hit and run tactics. Probably going around kicking people in the nuts and running off.

Yeah that sounds like something he'd do. But like I told the guy above, picking on weaker fighters (like golden Frieza did with the assassins) seems to be something that's line up with his personality as well. But I guess you're right. The goal is to win, so why not knock her out

Will torturing people is Freezas thing. Frost and Freeza are very similar but they aren't exact clones, they both have different way of going about their business.

Frost is used to being on the run and staying out of sight. It lines up with his way of fighting. With everyone coming out of nowhere and getting sucker punches in, maybe he is afraid if he stays within sight for too long someone will come up and knock him off. Especially since he just knocked someone off himself and U7 probably wouldn't like it if he knocked off a second.

[HeroR]

Jaco has his own story or manga though which you can't say the same for everyone else. That alone separates himself from anybody else. Mr Satan already played his role in the story and to be frank it sort of ended after the Buu arc, what else can a regular human martial artist accomplish in a story of overpowered aliens?

I would rather a character not appear in the story or rarely at all rather than appear and completely embarrass themselves. At least then they have an excuse and it saves them from a chopstick joke. I have to find out who you're favorite character is so I can play the contrarian on him/her to return the favor But you're far too objective for that so it's hard to tell who you like.

Jaco was a joke in his own manga and nothing he did matter in the end, especially him saving North City that got nuked by Nappa and was never wished back. He also utterly failed at his mission, which was a good thing. Satan is an on-going butt monkey who is basically TFS Krillin. He got his shining moment, while still being a joke.

Piccolo will most likely have a moment since even if Frost did him dirty, the fact remains he almost beat a stronger opponent using his brain and should have won. My point is that saying Piccolo having a moment had to happened since he's Toriyama's favorite or fans won't be happy doesn't jive since Toriyama's a troll and will do his favorites dirty for a gag. Goku was also one of his favorites and Toriyama went out of his way to make sure he didn't win a tournament even if it meant invention by trunk. Or Goku getting probably the most humiliating defeat in the series by going down to a laser in his god form in Resurrection 'F'.

[pacz360]

Things change, Majin Buu was supposed to fight in this tournament and now there is Freeza who is stronger than Vegeta.
Frieza is taking the spotlight from Vegeta in this arc, so i can see Hitto vs Frieza.
What you say about historical evidence is right, but, Goku already faced Hitto twice and he couldn't beat him both times since Vegeta is not Goku, i don't believe he will beat Hitto, but, i may be wrong.

freeza not stronger than vegeta nothing implies this in the slightest at best there equal
We don't know what gonna happen in this arc so people lay off heroes and the endings

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

No it doesn't goku only stronger than vegeta in kaioken there equal in ssjb not to mention vegeta trained in the HTC so nothing put freeza>vegeta
Vegeta would accomplish the same thing against goku while both are in ssjb

[pacz360]

You heard? Certainly Vegeta fans. Do you really believe that? Goku also trained with Whis. Goku is always stronger than Vegeta. Have you seen both training under Whis? Goku was always a step ahead. Training in the rosat means nothing, in the Cell arc, he also trained one more year than Goku and as everyone knows Goku was a lot stronger than Vegeta.

I definitely don't agree with them, given how Goku's Kamehameha alone fared as well against Fused Zamasu as Vegeta and Trunks's combined Galick Gun did in literally the same damn arc where Vegeta apparently surpassed him. Then Goku would be training and fighting the other U7 guys while Vegeta would be looking after Bra and . Though I'd still say that both of them are exactly equal in power, with none of them having a noticeable advantage over the other, like how it had been in RoF.

Nothing implied vegeta was rusty at all

[HeroR]

freeza not stronger than vegeta nothing implies this in the slightest at best there equal
We don't know what gonna happen in this arc so people lay off heroes and the endings

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

No it doesn't goku only stronger than vegeta in kaioken there equal in ssjb not to mention vegeta trained in the HTC so nothing put freeza>vegeta
Vegeta would accomplish the same thing against goku while both are in ssjb

That's really assumption since no one said or claimed in the show that Goku and Vegeta are perfectly equal. In fact, Goku is widely considered the strongest given how people act towards him. And training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber doesn't mean much sense Vegeta did it twice in the Cell Saga and was still inferior to Goku who only went once and not even for a full year.

[pacz360]

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

No it doesn't goku only stronger than vegeta in kaioken there equal in ssjb not to mention vegeta trained in the HTC so nothing put freeza>vegeta
Vegeta would accomplish the same thing against goku while both are in ssjb

That's really assumption since no one said or claimed in the show that Goku and Vegeta are perfectly equal. In fact, Goku is widely considered the strongest given how people act towards him. And training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber doesn't mean much sense Vegeta did it twice in the Cell Saga and was still inferior to Goku who only went once and not even for a full year.

Vegeta training in rosat allowed to manhandle black while goku only manage that in rage and even then black block a couple of his blows
Goku felt him or vegeta could take-down freeza if he trys something funny on the team
Nothing points to either being superior to each other in regular blue forms there been around each others level until goku brings kaioken to the table
Goku has kaioken that's why

[Dragonballgod19]

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

I've seen a lot of people claiming that Goku's no match for Vegeta without the Kaio-Ken since the Goku Black arc, especially after Vegeta used the RoSaT once more before the tournament began.

You heard? Certainly Vegeta fans. Do you really believe that? Goku also trained with Whis. Goku is always stronger than Vegeta. Have you seen both training under Whis? Goku was always a step ahead. Training in the rosat means nothing, in the Cell arc, he also trained one more year than Goku and as everyone knows Goku was a lot stronger than Vegeta.

Wow ok first off this isn't z vegeta trains far better in super and lol at Freeza being stronger than vegeta, and again he trains better in super this is literally shown all the time hell,he went from weaker than base black to godstomping him without trying this isn't z if he was he would have still made no gains yet he did in that arc and goku only stronger than vegeta thanks to kaioken and due to being the main character if he wasn't he would yamcha(imagine if nobody trained goku yeah)

[omaro34]

If a Kaioshin is killed then the Hakaishin he is connected to, vanishes. The Angel that served to be his attendant is desativacted, which means becoming incapable of doing anything to someone? That's why the Angels did nothing to Zamasu?

And going by that logic: if the Grand Priest is Zeno attendant, if somehow he is killed then the Grand Priest could do nothing too?

I don't know what they mean by deactivated. We saw Mojito standing there smiling when his universe was wiped out from existence. Maybe they mean he's free from his job? Because he's still around and will just watch the rest of the ToP.

What's more mind blowing is that if U6 gets erased (we know U7 won't), the Super Dragonballs will too since they are scattered through universes 6 through 7, and if even 1 is gone then they have no chance wishing everyone back.

[Shinda Forever]

freeza not stronger than vegeta nothing implies this in the slightest at best there equal
We don't know what gonna happen in this arc so people lay off heroes and the endings

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

No it doesn't goku only stronger than vegeta in kaioken there equal in ssjb not to mention vegeta trained in the HTC so nothing put freeza>vegeta
Vegeta would accomplish the same thing against goku while both are in ssjb

What? It was established since dbz that Goku is better than Vegeta. Get over it. Goku is above Vegeta that is clear as water.

I've seen a lot of people claiming that Goku's no match for Vegeta without the Kaio-Ken since the Goku Black arc, especially after Vegeta used the RoSaT once more before the tournament began.

You heard? Certainly Vegeta fans. Do you really believe that? Goku also trained with Whis. Goku is always stronger than Vegeta. Have you seen both training under Whis? Goku was always a step ahead. Training in the rosat means nothing, in the Cell arc, he also trained one more year than Goku and as everyone knows Goku was a lot stronger than Vegeta.

Wow ok first off this isn't z vegeta trains far better in super and lol at Freeza being stronger than vegeta, and again he trains better in super this is literally shown all the time hell,he went from weaker than base black to godstomping him without trying this isn't z if he was he would have still made no gains yet he did in that arc and goku only stronger than vegeta thanks to kaioken and due to being the main character if he wasn't he would yamcha(imagine if nobody trained goku yeah)

Lol at Frieza being stronger than Vegeta? lol That's why Frieza knocked Goku the fuck out. Vegeta trains so well in super that when they trained together with Whis, Goku was always a step ahead, he had to train during the night to catch up with Goku.

Goku is better than Vegeta in every department. Vegeta was crushed like a bug by Hitto without any understanding of what was going on a single time. Goku is much more talented than Vegeta and that is fact. Finally, i don't know if you have noticed that db heroes gave us the hint that the final 3 warriors are Jiren Goku and Frieza, therefore, in your place i wouldn't have many illusions about Vegeta.

[SansrivaaL]

For some reason I feel like Goku's not winning this tournament, theres a point to why they have the "winner" gets nothing and the top/best fighter gets a wish from the Super Dragon Balls, I think Goku will lose to someone but will still end up being the top fighter.

[pacz360]

We know Goku is stronger than Vegeta and Frieza was able to knock Goku out while being also koed in the process. That alone proves that Frieza is stronger than Vegeta.

No it doesn't goku only stronger than vegeta in kaioken there equal in ssjb not to mention vegeta trained in the HTC so nothing put freeza>vegeta
Vegeta would accomplish the same thing against goku while both are in ssjb

What? It was established since dbz that Goku is better than Vegeta. Get over it. Goku is above Vegeta that is clear as water.

I don't care if goku better than vegeta current goku is not above vegeta without kaioken bottom line
Prove to me current goku can stomp vegeta without kaioken if they fought as of now with no kaioken it'll be majin vegeta Vs ssj2 goku all over again