"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[PeanutSaiyan]

can't wait..it's still flawed but this manga has been the saving grace of Super.

Pardon, but what? The anime is a vastly superior product, mate.

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

[Kanassa]

can't wait..it's still flawed but this manga has been the saving grace of Super.

Pardon, but what? The anime is a vastly superior product, mate.

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

What are you doing on a discussion forum if your attitude is "Well, if you don't agree with me, we can't have a discussion"?

[RedHeat]

Pardon, but what? The anime is a vastly superior product, mate.

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

What are you doing on a discussion forum if your attitude is "Well, if you don't agree with me, we can't have a discussion"?

He's probably from 4chan.

[MR.Mark]

talking cat god nonsense.

[TheMikado]

can't wait..it's still flawed but this manga has been the saving grace of Super.

Pardon, but what? The anime is a vastly superior product, mate.

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

You know I feel the exact same way, I literally hated BoG mostly due to the tremendous @$$pull of SSG and how it was shoehorned into the lore along with Beerus. Then seeing my favorite character Vegeta used for spot was the limit for me. Then RoF happened and I couldn't believe o hated it and SSB and Golden Frieza and the writing and characterization and again the lore changes even more than BoGs. Then Super happened and I've been routinely disgusted... but I read the manga and couldn't believe the world of difference. I started the manga during the tournament and it was saved me. It's why I can watch Super now because I know they nonsensical writing and random lore destroying reveals aren't all I have. I'm thankful able to enjoy the anime now because I know that the manga will come along and clean up any mess left by the half @ssed inconsistent writing of the anime.

[The gr]

can't wait..it's still flawed but this manga has been the saving grace of Super.

Pardon, but what? The anime is a vastly superior product, mate.

Your well aware that's all opinion based,if he thinks the manga is better than the anime let it be

This is strange I expected the Manga to leak today whatever,I just can't wait to see everyone reaction when this arc didn't ended this month either way I'm really excited to the see this version of the Saga to end,is a shame some user drop the manga without even Seeing the ending of the future Trunks Saga and the manga version of the Top

[MR.Mark]

Vegeta's behavior in BOG felt like perfect character progression to me. If anything, It's after that arc that the writers or Toriyama seemed to feel the need to regress him abit with his pride again. If anything to me it's moments like Vegeta being concerned for pregnant Bulma and giving a worried look before leaving for the TOP is where his modern portrayal shines.

Seems like some fans are more concerned with Vegeta being a badass when in actuality he is being a dumbass.

A Vegeta that is able to acknowledge and accept Beerus being out of his league and trying to avoid conflict is Vegeta having a fucking brain.

Not to mention the "My Bulma" scene, whether it be the movie, anime or manga, seeing Vegeta fucking care is GREAT.

[micah007]

Guess the manga will leak tomorrow or later today depending on timezone. Interesting since the 17th has been the day for a good while, oh well.

[OLKv3]

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

What are you doing on a discussion forum if your attitude is "Well, if you don't agree with me, we can't have a discussion"?

He's probably from 4chan.

Lol and Noah isn't? He's constantly telling people they're wrong for liking the manga.

[Noah]

I find it so odd that a trainwreck like Super (and if you are going to argue that it's not a trainwreck of a production then you are simply living in a fantasy world) can be considered "superior" to a cohesive piece of work in Touo's manga.

We've been through this before and I don't want to turn it into another anime vs manga thread. But if you want trick yourself into thinking that poorly written characters (and i use that term very loosely, caricatures is more fitting) along with ugly & poorly animated scenes and a disgusting soundtrack make for a better product, anything I'd say would fall on deaf ears anyway.

I hate almost everything about Super, wether it be manga or anime. Ssj god nonsense, talking cat god nonsense, ssj blue nonsense, ssj rose nonsense (what the fuck was that anyway?!), it's all garbage to me. But as many here have expressed the manga at least has character that are much more grounded,along with a narrative that's much more cohesive and better written than it's counterpart.

Well, you do have some valid points though I don't agree with many (the manga also has problems with characterization e.g). I was under the impression you were a blind manga fan boy, thank god I was wrong. Super is a average series at best, I wouldn't call a piece of garbage, it serves its purposes of entertainment and I enjoy it knowing all that stuff never happened in the main continuity anyway

Lol and Noah isn't? He's constantly telling people they're wrong for liking the manga.

Really? Mind to show me which posts? I was just interested in PenutSaiyan opinion about it.

[Totamo]

This silly debate about which is better between the manga and the anime is just that silly.

Both have similar problems and different problems that ruin the story. Even if the manga make more sense, if it has no memorable moments, it doesn't really matter in the end.

Or are we just going to ignore the fact, that the original manga made much more sense than the anime but many dragon ball fans could care less about it.



I honestly expect the manga to have a worse ending.

[MisteryOne]

This silly debate about which is better between the manga and the anime is just that silly.

Both have similar problems and different problems that ruin the story. Even if the manga make more sense, if it has no memorable moments, it doesn't really matter in the end.

Or are we just going to ignore the fact, that the original manga made much more sense than the anime but many dragon ball fans could care less about it.



I honestly expect the manga to have a worse ending.

I don't see how Goku using SSGod against Hit or using Hakai is not a memorable moment. Hell, I would say the entire battoe between Goku and Merged Zamasu is memorable. It's an awesome battle in almosr every aspect. Future Zamasu destroying the Senzus was also a cool scene that impressed me because he showed he is not a pushover like his anime version. Goku Black waking up with Trunks's sword on his body and destroying it like if it was nothing was also a great an memorable plot twist. Hell, even the Gamma Burst Flash has been more impactful for me than anything Anime Vegeta has done expect beating the shit out of Golden Frieza and Goku Black, because it was something new and not the same old shit again. In the anime, he spams Garlick Gun and Final Flash like nothing, Toyotaro didn't overdid it and instead gave us something new (I hope he also does it with Piccolo and Krillin, which are using DEADLY attacks in a tournament where you can't kill...against WEAKER opponents, see Lavender and the Parrot guy from U10).

The only memorable moments the anime gave during the FT arc were quickly ruined by nonsensical points (The only exceptions being the final part of episode 56, which was a masterpiece, and Beerus' Hakai). Both the Gendikama sword and SSIkari are memorable, but because how bad they are. Is that a good thing? I would rather have a cool moment that I didn't expect at all but makes sense and it's explained later than a giant and flashy sword that maked the entire arc pointless.

The difference is that while Z anime had great amount of nonsenses (specially in the Boo saga) it was never as bad as the anime version of Super. Super Saiyan Ikari is completely unexplained, we literally don't have a reason about why Trunks didn't archieve it years before. It's also completely pointless, jut like everything Trunks did in both versions. The fact that Trunks has almost the same importance in both mediums yet in order to do that Toei had to give him such a bullshit power up speaks by itself. The manga also handled Gowasu and, as a surprise, Shin, while anime Gowasu was a walking meme. The manga in general does more justice to the characters, specially Goku, Shin,Gowasu, Trunks himself and Future Zamasu. It's true however that it sadly almost ignores Future Mai, but to be honest the only things she did in the anime were also WTF moments, except the moment when she tries to kill Black in the flashback and.when she tried to shot him with the special bullet. In Z, there was any Toei only moment that was as stupid, pointless and hyped up like Trunk's new form and the Gendikama sword. I would also add the nonsense of Merged Zamasu mutating and the awful use of the Blue Kaioken, but that's not really what I'm trying to point out now:

If the moment you wrote is memorable because of how awfully bad or nonsensical it is by the majority of fans, then you are doing it wrong and you're showing that you almost can't make an emotional moment by yourself without flashes and colors. That's what Toei is doing for me and for some other people. So the debate is not «silly» at all because the products are really different between them and the manga offers the closest thing we have got until know that can be compared to a sequel of Z. And it shows that is not thag hard to make a consistent story, with a decent power scale which is really important in this series, and memorable moments being only a bit more original than using flashy colors and auras. It's not close to Z's manga, lf course, just like Z is not close to the original DB manga in a lot lf things. Still, a lot of us consider it way better than its anime counterpart, and for certain reasons. It isn't as simple as «it makes sense».

[Basako]

This silly debate about which is better between the manga and the anime is just that silly.

Both have similar problems and different problems that ruin the story. Even if the manga make more sense, if it has no memorable moments, it doesn't really matter in the end.

Or are we just going to ignore the fact, that the original manga made much more sense than the anime but many dragon ball fans could care less about it.



I honestly expect the manga to have a worse ending.

I don't see how Goku using SSGod against Hit or using Hakai is not a memorable moment. Hell, I would say the entire battoe between Goku and Merged Zamasu is memorable. It's an awesome battle in almosr every aspect. Future Zamasu destroying the Senzus was also a cool scene that impressed me because he showed he is not a pushover like his anime version. Goku Black waking up with Trunks's sword on his body and destroying it like if it was nothing was also a great an memorable plot twist. Hell, even the Gamma Burst Flash has been more impactful for me than anything Anime Vegeta has done expect beating the shit out of Golden Frieza and Goku Black, because it was something new and not the same old shit again. In the anime, he spams Garlick Gun and Final Flash like nothing, Toyotaro didn't overdid it and instead gave us something new (I hope he also does it with Piccolo and Krillin, which are using DEADLY attacks in a tournament where you can't kill...against WEAKER opponents, see Lavender and the Parrot guy from U10).

The only memorable moments the anime gave during the FT arc were quickly ruined by nonsensical points (The only exceptions being the final part of episode 56, which was a masterpiece, and Beerus' Hakai). Both the Gendikama sword and SSIkari are memorable, but because how bad they are. Is that a good thing? I would rather have a cool moment that I didn't expect at all but makes sense and it's explained later than a giant and flashy sword that maked the entire arc pointless.

The difference is that while Z anime had great amount of nonsenses (specially in the Boo saga) it was never as bad as the anime version of Super. Super Saiyan Ikari is completely unexplained, we literally don't have a reason about why Trunks didn't archieve it years before. It's also completely pointless, jut like everything Trunks did in both versions. The fact that Trunks has almost the same importance in both mediums yet in order to do that Toei had to give him such a bullshit power up speaks by itself. The manga also handled Gowasu and, as a surprise, Shin, while anime Gowasu was a walking meme. The manga in general does more justice to the characters, specially Goku, Shin,Gowasu, Trunks himself and Future Zamasu. It's true however that it sadly almost ignores Future Mai, but to be honest the only things she did in the anime were also WTF moments, except the moment when she tries to kill Black in the flashback and.when she tried to shot him with the special bullet. In Z, there was any Toei only moment that was as stupid, pointless and hyped up like Trunk's new form and the Gendikama sword. I would also add the nonsense of Merged Zamasu mutating and the awful use of the Blue Kaioken, but that's not really what I'm trying to point out now:

If the moment you wrote is memorable because of how awfully bad or nonsensical it is by the majority of fans, then you are doing it wrong and you're showing that you almost can't make an emotional moment by yourself without flashes and colors. That's what Toei is doing for me and for some other people. So the debate is not «silly» at all because the products are really different between them and the manga offers the closest thing we have got until know that can be compared to a sequel of Z.

Man, you explained very well. I think the anime has a tendency to overdo things to make them memorable. Like all the universe is going to be destroyed because Goku and Beerus fists clash, that was just the start of Super and SSG level has been surpassed by far, so what about happening the same in the rest of the fights? A dragon aura surrounding Goku in that fight. Gohan not just been weaker than before, but extremely weak in the RoF arc, to make it more dramatic, as well as Krilin extremely insecure against a bunch of soldiers. What to say about the SSBKK, I'm not into it, but let's buy it, but did it had to be X10? And Hit can defend to that? Zamasu arc, the two moments you mention, no need to say more about them.

The manga has memorable moments as you said, good hypes, but yet they are integrated with the rest of story better. Goku defending an Earth finishing ball with a Kamehameha against Beerus. The SSG against Hit. The Zamasu arc has so many moments, but I think the Hakai could be the most memorable one too.

I do expect a different and better ending now, let's see if today we get the leaks. Some people just hate anything that is different from the anime, so we'll have another super nice couple of days here. People, remember the anime and the manga are done independently, not only they don't have to be the same, they can't. Now, comparing and prefering one over the other is fine, whichever it is.

[Sonicjamareiz]

The major problem I have with the manga is the lack of marketing it has wheres the ssg Vegeta and ssj Black figures. The manga will forever be just promotional material hell the manga is not even close to popular in japan it's sad because it is the better version Super Objectively.

[Totamo]

This silly debate about which is better between the manga and the anime is just that silly.

Both have similar problems and different problems that ruin the story. Even if the manga make more sense, if it has no memorable moments, it doesn't really matter in the end.

Or are we just going to ignore the fact, that the original manga made much more sense than the anime but many dragon ball fans could care less about it.



I honestly expect the manga to have a worse ending.

I don't see how Goku using SSGod against Hit or using Hakai is not a memorable moment. Hell, I would say the entire battoe between Goku and Merged Zamasu is memorable. It's an awesome battle in almosr every aspect. Future Zamasu destroying the Senzus was also a cool scene that impressed me because he showed he is not a pushover like his anime version. Goku Black waking up with Trunks's sword on his body and destroying it like if it was nothing was also a great an memorable plot twist. Hell, even the Gamma Burst Flash has been more impactful for me than anything Anime Vegeta has done expect beating the shit out of Golden Frieza and Goku Black, because it was something new and not the same old shit again. In the anime, he spams Garlick Gun and Final Flash like nothing, Toyotaro didn't overdid it and instead gave us something new (I hope he also does it with Piccolo and Krillin, which are using DEADLY attacks in a tournament where you can't kill...against WEAKER opponents, see Lavender and the Parrot guy from U10).

The only memorable moments the anime gave during the FT arc were quickly ruined by nonsensical points (The only exceptions being the final part of episode 56, which was a masterpiece, and Beerus' Hakai). Both the Gendikama sword and SSIkari are memorable, but because how bad they are. Is that a good thing? I would rather have a cool moment that I didn't expect at all but makes sense and it's explained later than a giant and flashy sword that maked the entire arc pointless.

The difference is that while Z anime had great amount of nonsenses (specially in the Boo saga) it was never as bad as the anime version of Super. Super Saiyan Ikari is completely unexplained, we literally don't have a reason about why Trunks didn't archieve it years before. It's also completely pointless, jut like everything Trunks did in both versions. The fact that Trunks has almost the same importance in both mediums yet in order to do that Toei had to give him such a bullshit power up speaks by itself. The manga also handled Gowasu and, as a surprise, Shin, while anime Gowasu was a walking meme. The manga in general does more justice to the characters, specially Goku, Shin,Gowasu, Trunks himself and Future Zamasu. It's true however that it sadly almost ignores Future Mai, but to be honest the only things she did in the anime were also WTF moments, except the moment when she tries to kill Black in the flashback and.when she tried to shot him with the special bullet. In Z, there was any Toei only moment that was as stupid, pointless and hyped up like Trunk's new form and the Gendikama sword. I would also add the nonsense of Merged Zamasu mutating and the awful use of the Blue Kaioken, but that's not really what I'm trying to point out now:

If the moment you wrote is memorable because of how awfully bad or nonsensical it is by the majority of fans, then you are doing it wrong and you're showing that you almost can't make an emotional moment by yourself without flashes and colors. That's what Toei is doing for me and for some other people. So the debate is not «silly» at all because the products are really different between them and the manga offers the closest thing we have got until know that can be compared to a sequel of Z. And it shows that is not thag hard to make a consistent story, with a decent power scale which is really important in this series, and memorable moments being only a bit more original than using flashy colors and auras. It's not close to Z's manga, lf course, just like Z is not close to the original DB manga in a lot lf things. Still, a lot of us consider it way better than its anime counterpart, and for certain reasons. It isn't as simple as «it makes sense».

some of the best moments in the original dragon Ball manga didn't make sense and that was fine because that's not what dragon Ball is loved for because if it was ball would be more popular than Z.


You know it and I know it.When Super ends, not many will even talk about this .

[STH]

The major problem I have with the manga is the lack of marketing it has wheres the ssg Vegeta and ssj Black figures. The manga will forever be just promotional material hell the manga is not even close to popular in japan it's sad because it is the better version Super Objectively.

Your avatar is cool

[emperior]

The major problem I have with the manga is the lack of marketing it has wheres the ssg Vegeta and ssj Black figures. The manga will forever be just promotional material hell the manga is not even close to popular in japan it's sad because it is the better version Super Objectively.

It's funny how big you made the word " Objectively", it really shows that it's your biased opinion. Unfortunately the manga hasn't been as good as the anime story-wise ever since after Goku and Trunks sparred. From then on, the manga got incredibly underwhelming compared to the anime, mainly because Toyotaro made Black a generic villain and he didn't give him any Goku trait, while the anime staff cleverly got that Black became a different person than Zamasu, and he wanted to be so much like Goku he wore a Gi just like him. Which is on-character with the fact he called himself Son Goku in both the anime and manga (so, as the design, this came from Toriyama) and also Black didn't wish for immortality and aimed to become the strongest just like Goku.

[Shinda Forever]

The major problem I have with the manga is the lack of marketing it has wheres the ssg Vegeta and ssj Black figures. The manga will forever be just promotional material hell the manga is not even close to popular in japan it's sad because it is the better version Super Objectively.

It's funny how big you made the word " Objectively", it really shows that it's your biased opinion. Unfortunately the manga hasn't been as good as the anime story-wise ever since after Goku and Trunks sparred. From then on, the manga got incredibly underwhelming compared to the anime, mainly because Toyotaro made Black a generic villain and he didn't give him any Goku trait, while the anime staff cleverly got that Black became a different person than Zamasu, and he wanted to be so much like Goku he wore a Gi just like him. Which is on-character with the fact he called himself Son Goku in both the anime and manga (so, as the design, this came from Toriyama) and also Black didn't wish for immortality and aimed to become the strongest just like Goku.

Exactly the manga is Objectively worse than the anime by a long shot. The manga is just the usual saiyajin fanboy Toyataro crap.

[Kanassa]

Can we just stop trying to put forth our opinions as objective facts? People are different, and that's okay, you don't have to try and put your tastes and enjoyment of fiction over other's.

[ekrolo2]

[spoiler]Goku & Vegeta smirking at an army of Merged Zamasu's about to rip them a new asshole while they're barely standing is cool as hell. Total rip off of movie 6 but it's a damn good visual regardless.[/spoiler]