"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

So Toyotaro was full of shit when he said the ending in this arc would be different than the anime?

[Zephyr]

So Toyotaro was full of shit when he said the ending in this arc would be different than the anime?

It is different. What are you on about?

[Kanassa]

So Toyotaro was full of shit when he said the ending in this arc would be different than the anime?

I'm pretty sure all he said was that he would have differences, not that the ending would be different

[Basako]

Future Yajirobe was a terrible addition and it wasn't well handled. He could have asked about the other timeline he didn't know it existed or about himself. It was cheap fan service.

I liked it and I give it extra points for the beard. It was a good opportunity to do something with a character that was nothing more to offer in the main timeline.
My only complaint is how they didn't brought FT Lunch too. Her blond side loves gun and would would give me entertaining interactions with the Resistance Team.

Nowadays I see some people calling fan service to everything they don't like. Remember the cast that you have at your disposal and characters abilities is not fan service, it's good writing.
I don't think Yajirobe has fanbase big enough to even call it "fan service".

Fan service would be Kale being a complete Female Broly so far.

I like good fan service, what I don't like is to bring the easy applause without considering if it's really worth it or doing it properly. For example, android 8, repeatedly showed the same still images of him like a statue in front of a cave. So where is Suno? You don't bring one without the other, it's so poorly written fan service.

Yajirobe I didn't like how he was handled either, it was like artificial him being there. He should be the strongest earthing after Trunks in that timeline, but he looked like the fat guy for the rebels to laugh at him. He is really a solitary man too, I don't think he would be with the rebels in that situation. All the rebels thing is a little bit rare too, suvivals ok, but rebels?? Remember what Cell did to the army? Well, what aspirations could those survivals have more than hiding from Black. The beard? Yeah, that's fine.

Kale is totally fan service too, but nothing wrong about it for now, she is a new character, a saiyan from other universe, I can buy it.

[Shinda Forever]

It's funny how big you made the word " Objectively", it really shows that it's your biased opinion. Unfortunately the manga hasn't been as good as the anime story-wise ever since after Goku and Trunks sparred. From then on, the manga got incredibly underwhelming compared to the anime, mainly because Toyotaro made Black a generic villain and he didn't give him any Goku trait, while the anime staff cleverly got that Black became a different person than Zamasu, and he wanted to be so much like Goku he wore a Gi just like him. Which is on-character with the fact he called himself Son Goku in both the anime and manga (so, as the design, this came from Toriyama) and also Black didn't wish for immortality and aimed to become the strongest just like Goku.

Exactly the manga is Objectively worse than the anime by a long shot. The manga is just the usual saiyajin fanboy Toyataro crap.

I think the word objectively is fair here, and this is coming from someone who hates pretty much every concept Super has thrown at us so far so I have no realm to be biased one way or another.

If both manga and anime were compared in let's say, a college filmmaking course like screenwriting 101 or a narrative fiction composition class, or even something like a photography class, I am 100% sure the anime would objectively be the weaker example when held together side by side with the manga.

I was being ironic, the manga is only better for hardcore saiyajins fanboys who have orgasms to see them beating everyone without a consistent competition all the time. Everyone has an opinion, i can also say that i'm 100% sure the the manga would objectively be the weaker example when held together side by side with the anime.

[Bullza]

The saga was alright but the anime version does completely stomp it. There's really no comparison.

Trunks was damn near useless altogether. That's probably the biggest disappointment of the saga.

Black and now Merged Zamasu just weren't done the same either, Black in particular lacks what made him so cool in the anime.

I'd gladly take what we got with the anime than an anime version of the manga which was nothing special at all really.

[Xeztin]

Do we know for sure by the leaks that Trunks doesn't get a new form?

[Noah]

Trunks was damn near useless altogether. That's probably the biggest disappointment of the saga.

Well, I think that's one of the few things the manga did right in this arc, I mean for realsies Trunks is nothing but a above SSJ2-tier at best. He being able to help Goku while fighting SSJR Black and Zamasu f***** even more the powerscalling of the series. Not to mention that stupid Rage, Demi-God form or whatever that remains inexplicable to the date.

[Bullza]

Trunks was damn near useless altogether. That's probably the biggest disappointment of the saga.

Well, I think that's one of the few things the manga did right in this arc, I mean for realsies Trunks is nothing but a above SSJ2-tier at best. He being able to help Goku while fighting SSJR Black and Zamasu f***** even more the powerscalling of the series. Not to mention that stupid Rage, Demi-God form or whatever that remains inexplicable to the date.

Trunks smacking Black into a building was weird but Zamasu that was alright, he's not supposed to be that strong. Goku beat him as a Super Saiyan 2 in the anime and in the manga he said Trunks was stronger so I don't have a problem with that.

The Rage form was odd and wasn't really explained but what exactly was explained about Super Saiyan 2? Same thing there where he got angry and for some reason he has a different form. Either way at least got the character to actually do something in his own saga.

[PeanutSaiyan]

Exactly the manga is Objectively worse than the anime by a long shot. The manga is just the usual saiyajin fanboy Toyataro crap.

I think the word objectively is fair here, and this is coming from someone who hates pretty much every concept Super has thrown at us so far so I have no realm to be biased one way or another.

If both manga and anime were compared in let's say, a college filmmaking course like screenwriting 101 or a narrative fiction composition class, or even something like a photography class, I am 100% sure the anime would objectively be the weaker example when held together side by side with the manga.

I was being ironic, the manga is only better for hardcore saiyajins fanboys who have orgasms to see them beating everyone without a consistent competition all the time. Everyone has an opinion, i can also say that i'm 100% sure the the manga would objectively be the weaker example when held together side by side with the anime.

What the hell are you talking about? The show has been one giant Saiyan orgy. But to be fair you think Hit has more substance than Kuririn, so....

Also in terms of composition, choreography, and consistency in the art department the manga is OBJECTIVELY better.

In terms of narrative, the writing, characterization, and consistency is OBJECTIVELY better in the manga. So I really have no idea what you are talking about.

The saga was alright but the anime version does completely stomp it. There's really no comparison.

Trunks was damn near useless altogether. That's probably the biggest disappointment of the saga.

Black and now Merged Zamasu just weren't done the same either, Black in particular lacks what made him so cool in the anime.

I'd gladly take what we got with the anime than an anime version of the manga which was nothing special at all really.

These all just sound like giant fanbaby-ism: "Wahhh Trunks didn't get to swing his huge sword in and make a spirit bomb in the manga!"

"Wahhh Black was way cooler in the show!!"

The ironic part is I agree with you. Black was cooler, thanks to cute entrances and theme songs that really played more into how "evilllll" he was but...underneath the flash was still a very weak and generic character. And this is true in both mediums and no matter if I'm watching or reading it is still very hard to ignore.

Id also have preferred more involvement from Trunks, but I don't think a few more fireworks at the cost of a giant, unexplained asspull would be worth the trade off. This is where the manga gets my respect, because it will not pander to fan-babies at the cost of narrative consistency.


I think when it comes to manga vs anime arguments that's the biggest issue. The anime defenders want more fireworks without any regard to the narrative and that's why Super seems to pander to them in the most nonsensical ways. The manga hasn't and its defenders argue that's it's consistency and more grounded characters, along with better writing overall, are the real strengths as they should be.

To be honest one feels Dragonball entered toonworld and the other feels more like a continuation of the characters and the world we all grew up with.

[PeanutSaiyan]

Trunks was damn near useless altogether. That's probably the biggest disappointment of the saga.

Well, I think that's one of the few things the manga did right in this arc, I mean for realsies Trunks is nothing but a above SSJ2-tier at best. He being able to help Goku while fighting SSJR Black and Zamasu f***** even more the powerscalling of the series. Not to mention that stupid Rage, Demi-God form or whatever that remains inexplicable to the date.

Trunks smacking Black into a building was weird but Zamasu that was alright, he's not supposed to be that strong. Goku beat him as a Super Saiyan 2 in the anime and in the manga he said Trunks was stronger so I don't have a problem with that.

The Rage form was odd and wasn't really explained but what exactly was explained about Super Saiyan 2? Same thing there where he got angry and for some reason he has a different form. Either way at least got the character to actually do something in his own saga.

Except that there was a whole freaking build up to Ssj2 that spanned over a dozen episodes and a whole buildup over the entire fucking series in regards to Gohan's hidden strength. Seriously how can you even make such weak arguments?

[Grimlock]

Full chapter has leaked. Nothing interesting besides the interaction between Future Mai and Pilaf and Merged Zamasu and Zeno which I'm anxious to see them translated.

Man, too bad the ending was the same crap seen in the anime. That's so disappointing and sad... They could've done it better. A golden missed opportunity.

[Lord Beerus]

Folks, lets take the comparisons of Super anime and the manga to the appropriate thread.

[Bullza]

Id also have preferred more involvement from Trunks, but I don't think a few more fireworks at the cost of a giant, unexplained asspull would be worth the trade off. This is where the manga gets my respect, because it will not pander to fan-babies at the cost of narrative consistency.

It's​ not even about the fighting. Trunks had a huge role in the saga, in addition to having the fights he had character moments with Vegeta, Mai, Kids Trunks, Bulma and Gohan that he just does not have in the manga.

He already had an ass pull anyway with the random ability to heal people because he was a Supreme Kai apprentice. Just like the Spirit Bomb he did that healing ability by chance and was completely unaware of being able to do it.

Except at least in the anime it allowed him to have the final battle with Zamasu whereas in the manga he just healed Goku so he could go fight Zamasu leaving Trunks to go back to doing what he had been doing for most of the saga, nothing.

[The gr]

Id also have preferred more involvement from Trunks, but I don't think a few more fireworks at the cost of a giant, unexplained asspull would be worth the trade off. This is where the manga gets my respect, because it will not pander to fan-babies at the cost of narrative consistency.

It's​ not even about the fighting. Trunks had a huge role in the saga, in addition to having the fights he had character moments with Vegeta, Mai, Kids Trunks, Bulma and Gohan that he just does not have in the manga.

He already had an ass pull anyway with the random ability to heal people because he was a Supreme Kai apprentice. Just like the Spirit Bomb he did that healing ability by chance and was completely unaware of being able to do it.

Except at least in the anime it allowed him to have the final battle with Zamasu whereas in the manga he just healed Goku so he could go fight Zamasu leaving Trunks to go back to doing what he had been doing for most of the saga, nothing.

so are we gonna ignore Trunks slicing mz in half, are you reading This saga, Trunks is weak and all but at least he's the voice of reason and the only sane person because we know Goku and Vegeta are jerks in the manga and he have his moments in the Manga, through I agree with everyone,I hated mz,he felt like super buu

Welp we can say toriyama hates Gohan,he didn't even appear in This version of the arc because is strange Toyo really like Gohan, next chapter better Make up my mind with toriyama opinion on gohan wether he's revelant or not in the outline, because i don't like the idea of gohan being the revelant is just a toei idea and not from Tori

[Lord Beerus]

Yep. The ending in the manga is 100% the same as the anime. Future Trunks' timeline is destroyed by Zeno (depicted by the Time Rings representing Future Trunks timeline being destroyed), Future Zeno meets Present Zeno with Goku time travelling to the null void that has become Future Trunks timeline (which may be a plothole), everybody has a party to "celebrate" and Future Trunks and Future Mai go to a different timeline.

It's really disappointing.

Even more-so by the fact that the cast are far more upbeat about the fact that Future Trunks lost everything, excluding Future Mai, than they are in the anime. And Future Trunks never interacted with Gohan once at all in the arc in the manga. What the hell was up with that? There was no really special farewell from Vegeta or Gohan. It just... ends. I personally feel much more let down with the ending of the Future Trunks arc in the manga. It just lacks any kind of emotional resonance. That's a major bummer for me.

But.. in the immortal words of Marge Simpson:

"It's an ending, that's enough!"

[precita]

The manga almost has no reason to exist. I don't know why they didn't just do a 1:1 adaption of the anime, leaving out the filler or slice of life episodes or whatever.

It's like we have this weird alternate continuity here now for no reason.

[Kanassa]

It just lacks any kind of emotional resonance. That's a major bummer for me.

That's the manga's biggest problem for me, there's no sense of emotion from any of the characters, which makes it hard not to see them blending into one another.

[BlueBasilisk]

Future Trunks' timeline is destroyed by Zeno (depicted by the Time Rings representing Future Trunks timeline being destroyed)

It's a minor detail but that part is new, isn't it? I thought that there was just one extra that Gowasu added to the box at the end of the arc.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

I wouldn't mind the anime and manga taking different plot directions as long as the power/transformation mechanics remained consistent, but nope...