"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

I think Toyotaro would be better working as one of Toei writers, replacing the likes of Yoshifumi Fukushima, with Toyo you would get better comedy at least.

Yoshifumi Fukushima should be better writing stuff for Teen Titans Go or SpongeBob, no offense.

[Noah]

Nah, I think we have good writters in Super staff, but Toyotaro could help them in some way, even though I would prefer Toriyama himself to assist the anime staff.

[Majin Jator]

Toyotaro is a fan, not a writer.

About the bolded part, you might not like his writing and work but you need to respect him. Being Camões or Shakespeare isn't necessary to be called a writer. He's paid to draw the Super Manga that makes him a writer.

If you don't like his writing there's constructive ways to criticize it and word it. The way you said it is just insulting.

With due respect, I don't find the sentence insulting. Toyotaro is a prime example of an "inmate running the asylum". He's not irredeemable, he get some things right, and certainly pays more attention to the details than Toei (his tackle on the time paradox from the FT arc is way better than the anime. In fact, IIRC there's no proper paradox in the manga).
As Baggie_saiyan says, he lacks ingenuity, and seems more interesed in his homages than in bringing something original. He is always looking at the past, while Toriyama was always looking forward. He's also not half the visual narrator that Toriyama was, an unfair comparison maybe, but one that is relevant and unavoidable.

[perucho1990]

On twitter, Toshio thinks that current Gohan is equal 17.

His ranking was like this

Gohan=17>Frost>Piccolo

Its his opinion btw, but I hope this is a sign Gohan is going to last toward the very end of the ToP.

[TheMikado]

Toyotaro is a fan, not a writer.

About the bolded part, you might not like his writing and work but you need to respect him. Being Camões or Shakespeare isn't necessary to be called a writer. He's paid to draw the Super Manga that makes him a writer.

If you don't like his writing there's constructive ways to criticize it and word it. The way you said it is just insulting.

With due respect, I don't find the sentence insulting. Toyotaro is a prime example of an "inmate running the asylum". He's not irredeemable, he get some things right, and certainly pays more attention to the details than Toei (his tackle on the time paradox from the FT arc is way better than the anime. In fact, IIRC there's no proper paradox in the manga).
As Baggie_saiyan says, he lacks ingenuity, and seems more interesed in his homages than in bringing something original.

He is always looking at the past, while Toriyama was always looking forward.

He's also not half the visual narrator that Toriyama was, an unfair comparison maybe, but one that is relevant and unavoidable.

You're absolutely correct, the inmates should not be running the asylum because the Toriyama VERY clearly references the past otherwise we wouldn't have had Frieza reappear three times or the pilaf gang come along or Future Trunks appear yet again or Beerus inserted into various lore. Toriyama for better or for worse was fairly meticulous in ensuring his power pyramid stayed intact and they things he said remained true throughout the series. Frieza was the strongest natural being at the time and that remained true even to the end of Dragonball. They never found any mortal out in the universe who was stronger. Further as I've pointed out Vegeta was literally the second strongest in the universe by a decent margin in his Oozaru form. The Saiyans were incredibly powerful in the universe when compared to everyone and everything else. Look we can make arguments on what you think God Toyotaro as a writer but he is by far and wide the only mainstream mangist we've seen consistently and for an extended time period carry on the style, feel, and spirit of Toriyama and that is no easy task.

[dbzfan7]

On twitter, Toshio thinks that current Gohan is equal 17.

His ranking was like this

Gohan=17>Frost>Piccolo

Its his opinion btw, but I hope this is a sign Gohan is going to last toward the very end of the ToP.

I wanna see that tweet...especially for the latter part...though I guess Frost maybe trained with Hit or something...they were together before the tournament...maybe.

[pacz360]

On twitter, Toshio thinks that current Gohan is equal 17.

His ranking was like this

Gohan=17>Frost>Piccolo

Its his opinion btw, but I hope this is a sign Gohan is going to last toward the very end of the ToP.

I wanna see that tweet...especially for the latter part...though I guess Frost maybe trained with Hit or something...they were together before the tournament...maybe.

Hit stated he had to get serious to dodge frost attack and confirmed that frost had gotten stronger.

[dbzfan7]

On twitter, Toshio thinks that current Gohan is equal 17.

His ranking was like this

Gohan=17>Frost>Piccolo

Its his opinion btw, but I hope this is a sign Gohan is going to last toward the very end of the ToP.

I wanna see that tweet...especially for the latter part...though I guess Frost maybe trained with Hit or something...they were together before the tournament...maybe.

Hit stated he had to get serious to dodge frost attack and confirmed that frost had gotten stronger.

Ah yes that's right. I forgot about that. He did say something along the lines of get serious for a moment...but even so the gap between those two is still likely very wide considering how afraid Frost is.

[IntoTheFire]

When can we expect some new spoilers to come out regarding future episodes?

[BlueBasilisk]

When can we expect some new spoilers to come out regarding future episodes?

Probably late tomorrow night/early Thursday morning with a WSJ preview for 101.

[IntoTheFire]

When can we expect some new spoilers to come out regarding future episodes?

Probably late tomorrow night/early Thursday morning with a WSJ preview for 101.

Thanks. Every time I enter this thread I hope to see new spoilers. It seems like forever since we had any, though it's probably been like a week

[Totamo]

About the bolded part, you might not like his writing and work but you need to respect him. Being Camões or Shakespeare isn't necessary to be called a writer. He's paid to draw the Super Manga that makes him a writer.

If you don't like his writing there's constructive ways to criticize it and word it. The way you said it is just insulting.

An odd complaint really. I'm sure some of the writers on the show have also said they are fans, just gotta go digging through all those interviews haha.

I think I know what Totamo is trying to say. Toyotaro is primary a fan, doing fan work of DB is why he was recognised in the first place. And it shows in his writing he lacks ingenuity, the end of the Black from what I have seen is basically a Cooler movie rip off, it feels like Toyotaro spends too long and too much effort on showing us how much of a fan of the series he is, instead of coming up with cool moments himself, the anime is guilty of this too but it happens much more frequently in the Manga pretty much every chapter it feels like and they keep getting less subtle, this is a new series new stories if I want old stories I will read/watch them.

You can be a fan of something while working for it, but sometimes you have to learn to separate that side from yourself.

Yes, thank you!

I should have been more clear, though

[dbzfan7]

Toyotaro's got that homage issue, while the anime has the asinine fanservice writing to look cool rather than make sense or be written well. It's basically a two sided coin of which crap you'd rather put up with.

[Super Saiyan God]

I just want to know that since when and how android 17 got become stronger like ultimate gohan?

[HeroR]

Toyotaro is a fan, not a writer.

About the bolded part, you might not like his writing and work but you need to respect him. Being Camões or Shakespeare isn't necessary to be called a writer. He's paid to draw the Super Manga that makes him a writer.

If you don't like his writing there's constructive ways to criticize it and word it. The way you said it is just insulting.

With due respect, I don't find the sentence insulting. Toyotaro is a prime example of an "inmate running the asylum". He's not irredeemable, he get some things right, and certainly pays more attention to the details than Toei (his tackle on the time paradox from the FT arc is way better than the anime. In fact, IIRC there's no proper paradox in the manga).
As Baggie_saiyan says, he lacks ingenuity, and seems more interesed in his homages than in bringing something original. He is always looking at the past, while Toriyama was always looking forward. He's also not half the visual narrator that Toriyama was, an unfair comparison maybe, but one that is relevant and unavoidable.

Toei does pay attention to the details. You just don't agree with them on it like the time paradox.

Toyo shows he can't pay attention since he created a big plot hole for himself.

[JulieYBM]

Freelance writers write scripts for Dragon Ball Super based on the combined whims of the series director and the representatives of the production committee members. This is why we get characters like Kale, who resemble Broli and can be used to sell merchandise. The comic by Toyo-tarou is subject to the same whims. Remember, the job of Toyo-tarou's editor is to make the comic popular. This means pandering. Toyo-tarou wasn't hired to write an original comic, he was hired to make a Dragon Ball comic that could sell merchandise.

I don't know why anyone here would think that these projects were being created in creatively free environments under the best conditions possible. The fact that so few good staff work on the cartoon and can produce good work should be fucking proof of that.

[TheMikado]

Freelance writers write scripts for Dragon Ball Super based on the combined whims of the series director and the representatives of the production committee members. This is why we get characters like Kale, who resemble Broli and can be used to sell merchandise. The comic by Toyo-tarou is subject to the same whims. Remember, the job of Toyo-tarou's editor is to make the comic popular. This means pandering. Toyo-tarou wasn't hired to write an original comic, he was hired to make a Dragon Ball comic that could sell merchandise.

I don't know why anyone here would think that these projects were being created in creatively free environments under the best conditions possible. The fact that so few good staff work on the cartoon and can produce good work should be fucking proof of that.

Is this true?? Because the way the directing and story have been written I long suspected they just farmed out the episodes writing to freelance writers?? If that's true then the actual quality of the show really exposes their production procedures. Something a show should never do.

[TheMikado]

I just want to know that since when and how android 17 got become stronger like ultimate gohan?

You poor sweet summer child...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I hope #99 made people realise that episode summaries and titles are intentionally vague and or misleading and the big thing lack context.

#99 summaries talked about Vegeta charging U6 when in reality Vegeta only charged to Hit before Pooh and Metalman got in the way, hardly what the summaries implied was it? Furthermore the summaries talked about Goku springing back into action we barely saw him in the episode after he disappeared.

And then the big one saying Krillin was DQ'd when he was just eliminated like normal...

Maybe just maybe people won't overreact next time... (Yeah I know not likely but one can hope...)

[ArchedThunder]

Is this true?? Because the way the directing and story have been written I long suspected they just farmed out the episodes writing to freelance writers?? If that's true then the actual quality of the show really exposes their production procedures. Something a show should never do.

I take it you have no idea how anime production works...
Most anime writers are freelance, Super has about 5 people who write all of the episodes, it's not like it's a new person every week.