How?Kanassa wrote:You literally JUST contradicted yourselfKi Breaker wrote:It describes cauliflowa completely..Kanassa wrote: Which describes neither Kale nor Caulifla
That's all she ever does with anyone she has met until now, except her sister..
To be a murderer, you simply need a murder. To describe someone to only be nice when she wants something from someone, you're describing her as treating everybody that way.Ki Breaker wrote:How?Kanassa wrote:You literally JUST contradicted yourselfKi Breaker wrote: It describes cauliflowa completely..
That's all she ever does with anyone she has met until now, except her sister..
A murderer murders everyone but her mother, that makes him less of a murderer?
Kanassa wrote:- FoolsGil, Out of Context, 2017FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Paragus called Broly's form the "true Super Saiyan" once during the film it debuted in. Out-of-universe I'd chalk it up to another Broly throwback, although in-universe I'd say it's probably confirmation that her form is in fact U6's equivalent of Legendary Super Saiyan.TheMikado wrote:So the big news for me is that canonically it's inplying none of the Saiyans ever turned into real SSJs as if they are all some kind of false SSJ forms and Kale is the only one to achieve the "true" SSJ form. That's such an odd assumption for Vegeta to make in the middle of a battle for no apparent reason. Like what would make him draw that conclusion.
Anyway so basically, if what Vegeta is saying is true it official retcons all the SSJ forms as "false" SSJ. That's pretty amazing.
Goku did say she could possibly get 3 during the battle. I won't be surprised if she does.perucho1990 wrote:If Caulifla survives next episode then she would need some kind of powerup to be useful.
3 would be useless due to the stamina issue, she might get Ikari like Trunks did, U6 NEEDS another Blue level guy so badly, Hit cant carry them all.BlueBasilisk wrote: Goku did say she could possibly get 3 during the battle. I won't be surprised if she does.
He did but he said she have to master ssj2 before achieving ssj3BlueBasilisk wrote:Goku did say she could possibly get 3 during the battle. I won't be surprised if she does.perucho1990 wrote:If Caulifla survives next episode then she would need some kind of powerup to be useful.
Nothing screams of her getting plus ikari seemed to be trunks exclusive form and answer for blueperucho1990 wrote:3 would be useless due to the stamina issue, she might get Ikari like Trunks did, U6 NEEDS another Blue level guy so badly, Hit cant carry them all.BlueBasilisk wrote: Goku did say she could possibly get 3 during the battle. I won't be surprised if she does.
Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.ChiefWamsutta wrote:The fact that Vegeta called Kale's form the true form of a Saiyan made me think of something.
Basically, SSBerserker is like an unreachable asymptote. You can try getting to it using the left side of basic Super Saiyans, or try using the right side of god forms (SBG and Ep. 14 Radiance might not exist anymore, but for the sake of symmetry I used them).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I think Jiren's eyes are definitely meaningful in regards to his strength, for the reasons you have stated and because of the Intro/Current Ending. The intro zooms into his eye whilst the ending currently has his eyes glow and then fades the screen to white after. I know focusing in on a character's eyes is fairly common in many forms of media, but so far that seems to be the only trait we have repeatedly seen of Jiren.vashter wrote:I think Jiren is using his eyes to controlling movement, ki-blast
That's waay too literal man..Kanassa wrote:To be a murderer, you simply need a murder. To describe someone to only be nice when she wants something from someone, you're describing her as treating everybody that way.Ki Breaker wrote:How?Kanassa wrote: You literally JUST contradicted yourself
A murderer murders everyone but her mother, that makes him less of a murderer?
You say that Caulifla is only nice to anyone when she wants something from them, yet state that she's treats Kale nice and cares for her.
Right, Goku's line was there for a reason, it doesnt get more obvious than that, his fight with Gohan and Krillin were more vague but people take it as Goku holding back, this time around Goku literally says he'll put in a little more power, literally a little more power than SSJ2 since SSJ3 drains stamina like a bitch.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.ChiefWamsutta wrote:The fact that Vegeta called Kale's form the true form of a Saiyan made me think of something.
Basically, SSBerserker is like an unreachable asymptote. You can try getting to it using the left side of basic Super Saiyans, or try using the right side of god forms (SBG and Ep. 14 Radiance might not exist anymore, but for the sake of symmetry I used them).
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Mate kale straight up tanked goku attack ssj2 goku couldn't do shit to her at allSansrivaaL wrote:Right, Goku's line was there for a reason, it doesnt get more obvious than that, his fight with Gohan and Krillin were more vague but people take it as Goku holding back, this time around Goku literally says he'll put in a little more power, literally a little more power than SSJ2 since SSJ3 drains stamina like a bitch.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.ChiefWamsutta wrote:The fact that Vegeta called Kale's form the true form of a Saiyan made me think of something.
Basically, SSBerserker is like an unreachable asymptote. You can try getting to it using the left side of basic Super Saiyans, or try using the right side of god forms (SBG and Ep. 14 Radiance might not exist anymore, but for the sake of symmetry I used them).
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I'm not saying she's SSJ2 level, I'm saying she's not above SSJB level.pacz360 wrote:Mate kale straight up tanked goku attack ssj2 goku couldn't do shit to her at allSansrivaaL wrote:Right, Goku's line was there for a reason, it doesnt get more obvious than that, his fight with Gohan and Krillin were more vague but people take it as Goku holding back, this time around Goku literally says he'll put in a little more power, literally a little more power than SSJ2 since SSJ3 drains stamina like a bitch.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.
jiren felt the need to stop her he wouldn't try to if the girl was only ssj2 level
pacz360 wrote:Mate kale straight up tanked goku attack ssj2 goku couldn't do shit to her at allSansrivaaL wrote:Right, Goku's line was there for a reason, it doesnt get more obvious than that, his fight with Gohan and Krillin were more vague but people take it as Goku holding back, this time around Goku literally says he'll put in a little more power, literally a little more power than SSJ2 since SSJ3 drains stamina like a bitch.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.
jiren felt the need to stop her he wouldn't try to if the girl was only ssj2 level
Of course she isn't above blue but she's definitely around it's ballpark of powerSansrivaaL wrote:I'm not saying she's SSJ2 level, I'm saying she's not above SSJB level.pacz360 wrote:Mate kale straight up tanked goku attack ssj2 goku couldn't do shit to her at allSansrivaaL wrote: Right, Goku's line was there for a reason, it doesnt get more obvious than that, his fight with Gohan and Krillin were more vague but people take it as Goku holding back, this time around Goku literally says he'll put in a little more power, literally a little more power than SSJ2 since SSJ3 drains stamina like a bitch.
jiren felt the need to stop her he wouldn't try to if the girl was only ssj2 level
Tell that to the guy that made the chart Berserk>SSJB not me.pacz360 wrote:Of course she isn't above blue but she's definitely around it's ballpark of powerSansrivaaL wrote:I'm not saying she's SSJ2 level, I'm saying she's not above SSJB level.pacz360 wrote: Mate kale straight up tanked goku attack ssj2 goku couldn't do shit to her at all
jiren felt the need to stop her he wouldn't try to if the girl was only ssj2 level
Bruh if was she wasn't then her grabbing ssjb goku shouldn't be happening nor toppo commenting on her strengthSansrivaaL wrote:Tell that to the guy that made the chart Berserk>SSJB not me.pacz360 wrote:Of course she isn't above blue but she's definitely around it's ballpark of powerSansrivaaL wrote: I'm not saying she's SSJ2 level, I'm saying she's not above SSJB level.
Tho I dont agree that she's around God level, the line was there for a reason, like it or not he only raised a little bit of his power, yes he was that dumb, like how he was when he fought Beerus and had the nerve to hold back.
So a person tanking a ssjb Kamehameh walking through it a is only ssj3 level ?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Berserker Kale couldn't put a scratch to SS2 Goku, and SSB Goku was heavily holding back (he said he would use a little more power when he went from SS2 to SSB, he probably avoided SS3 because of its stamina issues). I don't think Berserker Kale is stronger than SS3 Goku, let alone God & Blue. She appears to be at the same level as LSS Broli in Movie 10, at a level between SS2 & SS3.ChiefWamsutta wrote:The fact that Vegeta called Kale's form the true form of a Saiyan made me think of something.
Basically, SSBerserker is like an unreachable asymptote. You can try getting to it using the left side of basic Super Saiyans, or try using the right side of god forms (SBG and Ep. 14 Radiance might not exist anymore, but for the sake of symmetry I used them).
Bruh... if she was God level then why she no put down SSJ2 Goku? why SSJ2 Goku was able to jump out instantly despite Kale's full on rampage bloodlust obviously not holding back and gunning to kill bruh?pacz360 wrote: Bruh if was she wasn't then her grabbing ssjb goku shouldn't be happening nor toppo commenting on her strength
Jiren himself felt the need to stop her from rampaging
