ChiefWamsutta wrote:SansrivaaL wrote:pacz360 wrote:
Of course she isn't above blue but she's definitely around it's ballpark of power
Tell that to the guy that made the chart Berserk>SSJB not me.
Tho I dont agree that she's around God level, the line was there for a reason, like it or not he only raised a little bit of his power, yes he was that dumb, like how he was when he fought Beerus and had the nerve to hold back.
Haha, I love how I am being referred to as "The guy that made the chart." Sure, why not? I do want to point out that it was not meant to be a chart, more of a metaphor for SSBerserker being a true, unreachable form that Saiyans could not achieve unless through an anomaly.
I totally see where you are coming from though. That line about Goku using a little more power would imply that he went to around SS3. However ...
Ki Breaker wrote:You know, upon further thought..
Jiren wouldn't have stepped up if it wasn't something he needed to for..
If she was below blue level, toppo would have went instead, like he sends other people behind us when challenged instead of himself engaging..
And why would goku fire a Kamehameha which does no effect? He saw it didn't do anything, powered the wave up further but it still didn't do anything..
What exactly was he going for there if he intended to hold back so much his attack dosen't even phase her
This right here ^ is my thought process. Goku got tossed around rather easily, implying Kale was stronger than him in the moment. He can sense power rather well, so if he jumped up from SS2 level to SS3 level of power, he should have been sure it was enough to beat Kale. However, SSBerserker Kale tanked a blue kamehameha. Goku was shocked by this, as can be seen from his facial expression when she grabs his face. That was unexpected to him. When Kale first emerged she begins to steam and power-up. This draws the attention of many other on-lookers. In that frame where the screen splits into fifteen people or so, we see Android 17, Toppo, Frieza, and Jiren. #17 and Toppo, who managed to push Goku into SSBlue are looking very serious about learning that Kale in berserker has this much power. Frieza has his usual sadistic look on his face. ... But Jiren shows no expression whatsoever.
His eyes are closed as though he is not fazed by this. This is reminiscent of Hit during the U6/U7 tournament, where the power of Super Saiyan did not faze him. He opened his eyes out of surprise to feel SSBlue. Even at the power that would get the attention of Frieza, Toppo, and #17, Jiren does not get fazed. He has used minimal energy throughout this whole tournament because he is just that strong. He stood still not moving, and even when Rabanra from U2 went to attack him, Jiren only glared at him. In the scene where Kale is knocking out contestants with a barrage of ki attacks, Toppo readies the troopers for an assault. Jiren steps in though because he knew he was strong enough to beat her.
If SSBerserker Kale is powerful enough to draw the attention of Android 17, Toppo, and Frieza during a battle royale, and walk through an SSB Kamehameha and beat down Goku. Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.
