"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

Why do people have a problem with Caulifla going SSj2 so quick when characters like Goten and Kid Trunks was able to go SSj so quick as well. I mean even Gotenks went SSj3 under 24 hours while it took Goku half a decade to become a SSj3.

I don't have a problem with Caulifla getting super saiyan 2, but I understand those who do dislike it.

As ridiculous as Goten and Trunks were, they come from established prodigies themselves in Goku and Vegeta. The audience should expect their kids to be insanely strong. Plus Trunks had the benefit of learning first hand from his father, Goten at least had Gohan and his mom, and all of them not including Chi Chi are better fighters than Cabba.

There's just something that irks people of someone coming out of nowhere who isn't related to the main characters and all of a sudden achieves something everybody not including Goten and Trunks had years to train for.

And lastly, it's also partly because Caulifla is a female. I certainly don't have this belief, but there are insecure, ego driven sexist people out there who just don't like the idea of a female being that strong, fictional or not.

That's ridiculously and I don't buy it
If that the case then 18 would be hated for what she did to vegeta
People bitch about 18 role in rof and been calling for years for her to get some time to shine not to mention videl as well

[KingKaash]

I'm wondering if Kale will ever be able to control her LSSJ/Berserk SSJ form? I think there's a reason the writers didn't eliminate her by the hands of Jiren.

We know that Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are going to be allies to the U7 Saiyans as long as their Universe and Universe 7 are not erased. So I think it'd be cool to have an ally with the power of LSSJ/Berserk SSJ that is able to control that power and use it.

According to her DBS Wikia page, there is this "unidentified SSJ form" that Kale possesses that is in between a normal SSJ and Berserk SSJ. When I originally saw the scan image even before the ToP began, I thought that was Kale's SSJ form but at this point her Wikia suggests it might be an upgraded SSJ form. Again I hope Kale is able to make strides to control that extremely strong power she has so she can use it for good alongside Cabba and Caulifla

Hopefully she does gain control over the form, as she'll likely be a far better character once doing so.

Yea it'll really add to her rather whiny character if she can harness this kind of power. I thoroughly enjoyed the Broly fanservice we received through Kale, but if she gets a controlled SSJ form then I'll be even happier for her character progression

[TheOne]

Why do people have a problem with Caulifla going SSj2 so quick when characters like Goten and Kid Trunks was able to go SSj so quick as well. I mean even Gotenks went SSj3 under 24 hours while it took Goku half a decade to become a SSj3.

Goten and Trunks are half breeds. It's been pretty obvious they're born stronger than the full Saiyans. Trunks and Goten were also exposed to super saiyan at early ages, so they at least knew what it was.

For me Caulifla getting SSJ and SSJ2 was mostly annoyance of her personality and personal feelings of her not deserving of it.

I also felt Caulifla (and now Kale) were thrown in our faces due to political correctness. Since dragon ball was criticized for not having female fighters, they brought Caulifla and Kale to make up for all the years they didn't do it. Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of how they were introduced to us. Feels rushed and political.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.

Gohan is also in that realm as well
Kale also in that realm but she isn't>blue

I have it as:

Above SSBlue Tier
Jiren

High SSBlue Tier
SSB KK Goku
SSBerserker Kale
Toppo
SSB Goku = SSB Vegeta = True Golden Frieza

Low SSBlue Tier
Hit
Android #17
Ultimate Gohan

[TheSaiyanGod]

In the Kamehameha scene, was Keeru really damaged from Goku?

After being hit by the Kamehameha and walking through it without taking damage (apparently), Keeru grabs the face of Goku, but soon afterwards, she releases him and breathing out of his body.

After this, Piccolo says that she can not control her own strength.
Keeru was this way because of the Kamehameha, which damaged her to the point that she could not control her strength (even though she did not pretend), or was she just out of control herself?

[pacz360]

Why do people have a problem with Caulifla going SSj2 so quick when characters like Goten and Kid Trunks was able to go SSj so quick as well. I mean even Gotenks went SSj3 under 24 hours while it took Goku half a decade to become a SSj3.

Goten and Trunks are half breeds. It's been pretty obvious they're born stronger than the full Saiyans. Trunks and Goten were also exposed to super saiyan at early ages, so they at least knew what it was.

For me Caulifla getting SSJ and SSJ2 was mostly annoyance of her personality and personal feelings of her not deserving of it.

I also felt Caulifla (and now Kale) were thrown in our faces due to political correctness. Since dragon ball was criticized for not having female fighters, they brought Caulifla and Kale to make up for all the years they didn't do it. Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of how they were introduced to us. Feels rushed and political.

As much as a I hate political correctness I don't see how kale and caulifla are result of that considering Japan doesn't give a shit about that stuff from west though I feel like something like in this thread could go horribly wrong so P.M me about it

[Jigurashi]

Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.

Gohan is also in that realm as well
Kale also in that realm but she isn't>blue

I have it as:

Above SSBlue Tier
Jiren

High SSBlue Tier
SSB KK Goku
SSBerserker Kale
Toppo
SSB Goku = SSB Vegeta = True Golden Frieza

Low SSBlue Tier
Hit
Android #17
Ultimate Gohan

Why would SSBKK Goku be in the High SSB tier? You put Golden Freeza in the High SSB tier, but he and SSB Goku at full power stalemated. If Goku stacked just a standard SSBKK onto himself, he stomps Freeza.

In the Kamehameha scene, was Keeru really damaged from Goku?

After being hit by the Kamehameha and walking through it without taking damage (apparently), Keeru grabs the face of Goku, but soon afterwards, she releases him and breathing out of his body.

After this, Piccolo says that she can not control her own strength.
Keeru was this way because of the Kamehameha, which damaged her to the point that she could not control her strength (even though she did not pretend), or was she just out of control herself?

Seemed like Goku's attack did do a little damage as her body slowed down a bit after the attack, though obviously not enough to prevent her from keep on trucking.

[pacz360]

Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.

Gohan is also in that realm as well
Kale also in that realm but she isn't>blue

I have it as:

Above SSBlue Tier
Jiren

High SSBlue Tier
SSB KK Goku
SSBerserker Kale
Toppo
SSB Goku = SSB Vegeta = True Golden Frieza

Low SSBlue Tier
Hit
Android #17
Ultimate Gohan

Ehh hit be around current goku and vegeta level and I don't see beserker kale above a full power ssjb goku,vegeta nor golden Frieza she should be around gohan and 17 tier or a bit higher other than that spot on list

[TheSaiyanGod]

In the Kamehameha scene, was Keeru really damaged from Goku?

After being hit by the Kamehameha and walking through it without taking damage (apparently), Keeru grabs the face of Goku, but soon afterwards, she releases him and breathing out of his body.

After this, Piccolo says that she can not control her own strength.
Keeru was this way because of the Kamehameha, which damaged her to the point that she could not control her strength (even though she did not pretend), or was she just out of control herself?

Seemed like Goku's attack did do a little damage as her body slowed down a bit after the attack, though obviously not enough to prevent her from keep on trucking.

I think that this damage she took may have caused this out of control because it was soon after receiving a large amount of energy directly.

[TheOne]

Why do people have a problem with Caulifla going SSj2 so quick when characters like Goten and Kid Trunks was able to go SSj so quick as well. I mean even Gotenks went SSj3 under 24 hours while it took Goku half a decade to become a SSj3.

I don't have a problem with Caulifla getting super saiyan 2, but I understand those who do dislike it.

As ridiculous as Goten and Trunks were, they come from established prodigies themselves in Goku and Vegeta. The audience should expect their kids to be insanely strong. Plus Trunks had the benefit of learning first hand from his father, Goten at least had Gohan and his mom, and all of them not including Chi Chi are better fighters than Cabba.

There's just something that irks people of someone coming out of nowhere who isn't related to the main characters and all of a sudden achieves something everybody not including Goten and Trunks had years to train for.

And lastly, it's also partly because Caulifla is a female. I certainly don't have this belief, but there are insecure, ego driven sexist people out there who just don't like the idea of a female being that strong, fictional or not.

It has nothing to do with a female being too strong. I have no problem with a female rising to the ranks of Goku and Vegeta. The problem is we've seen Goku and Vegetas sweat and tears over the years. We've actually grown up seeing these two, so we have more of a connection. For me it's been almost 18 years of following the story of Goku and Vegeta. Now all of a sudden we have these female Saiyans who bypass all the hard work and villains they fought against easily achieved by these two. Cabba was a little different. He fought evenly with Vegeta in base and was still overpowered by Vegeta in SSJ. Now Cabba is being made to look like a scrub in comparison to the two female characters. So unfortunately it just so happens the two charachters they introduced are females. I have no problem with a female taking the lead role, but there are better ways to go about it without screwing over the main characters. So excuse me if I'm not a big fan of seeing Vegeta and Gokus hard work be reduced to just something a couple new charachters get due to plot.

[Totamo]

Why do people have a problem with Caulifla going SSj2 so quick when characters like Goten and Kid Trunks was able to go SSj so quick as well. I mean even Gotenks went SSj3 under 24 hours while it took Goku half a decade to become a SSj3.

I don't have a problem with Caulifla getting super saiyan 2, but I understand those who do dislike it.

As ridiculous as Goten and Trunks were, they come from established prodigies themselves in Goku and Vegeta. The audience should expect their kids to be insanely strong. Plus Trunks had the benefit of learning first hand from his father, Goten at least had Gohan and his mom, and all of them not including Chi Chi are better fighters than Cabba.

There's just something that irks people of someone coming out of nowhere who isn't related to the main characters and all of a sudden achieves something everybody not including Goten and Trunks had years to train for.

And lastly, it's also partly because Caulifla is a female. I certainly don't have this belief, but there are insecure, ego driven sexist people out there who just don't like the idea of a female being that strong, fictional or not.

It has nothing to do with a female being too strong. I have no problem with a female rising to the ranks of Goku and Vegeta. The problem is we've seen Goku and Vegetas sweat and tears over the years. We've actually grown up seeing these two, so we have more of a connection. For me it's been almost 18 years of following the story of Goku and Vegeta. Now all of a sudden we have these female Saiyans who bypass all the hard work and villains they fought against easily achieved by these two. Cabba was a little different. He fought evenly with Vegeta in base and was still overpowered by Vegeta in SSJ. Now Cabba is being made to look like a scrub in comparison to the two female characters. So unfortunately it just so happens the two charachters they introduced are females. I have no problem with a female taking the lead role, but there are better ways to go about it without screwing over the main characters. So excuse me if I'm not a big fan of seeing Vegeta and Gokus hard work be reduced to just something a couple new charachters get due to plot.

Isn't that what 18 and 17 did? Bypass super saiyan through cybernetics?

[Dragonballgod19]

Thank god for the Yamcha manga.

Thank god for the biggest middle finger Yamcha ever got since the Siabaman jumped him

lol people actually give a crap about that manga lmao it would have been better if they did something like super vegeta den which is so much better than the yamcha manga seriously

[Hana Midorikawa]

Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.

Gohan is also in that realm as well
Kale also in that realm but she isn't>blue

I have it as:

Above SSBlue Tier
Jiren

High SSBlue Tier
SSB KK Goku
SSBerserker Kale
Toppo
SSB Goku = SSB Vegeta = True Golden Frieza

Low SSBlue Tier
Hit
Android #17
Ultimate Gohan

Hit is low SSB Tier? The same Hit who withstood a pummeling from SSB KKx10 Goku without receiving major damage? The same one who can improve in battle and has OP Time techniques? I'm not buying it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Some nice SSGSS promotional artwork:
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[Jigurashi]

Some nice SSGSS promotional artwork:
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Those are nice. It's always hilarious looking at how muscular Jiren is compared to most others in Super, he's also in a lot of promotional material. isn't there a recent new promotional artwork showing all of U7 with the addition of Jiren fighting Goku? The guy is (understandably) promoted in everything right now.

[Ki Breaker]

All this promotion is doing nothing but furtherer aggravate the fact jiren is nothing but this arc's hit right now..
No personality whatsoever..

[TheMikado]

I don't have a problem with Caulifla getting super saiyan 2, but I understand those who do dislike it.

As ridiculous as Goten and Trunks were, they come from established prodigies themselves in Goku and Vegeta. The audience should expect their kids to be insanely strong. Plus Trunks had the benefit of learning first hand from his father, Goten at least had Gohan and his mom, and all of them not including Chi Chi are better fighters than Cabba.

There's just something that irks people of someone coming out of nowhere who isn't related to the main characters and all of a sudden achieves something everybody not including Goten and Trunks had years to train for.

And lastly, it's also partly because Caulifla is a female. I certainly don't have this belief, but there are insecure, ego driven sexist people out there who just don't like the idea of a female being that strong, fictional or not.

It has nothing to do with a female being too strong. I have no problem with a female rising to the ranks of Goku and Vegeta. The problem is we've seen Goku and Vegetas sweat and tears over the years. We've actually grown up seeing these two, so we have more of a connection. For me it's been almost 18 years of following the story of Goku and Vegeta. Now all of a sudden we have these female Saiyans who bypass all the hard work and villains they fought against easily achieved by these two. Cabba was a little different. He fought evenly with Vegeta in base and was still overpowered by Vegeta in SSJ. Now Cabba is being made to look like a scrub in comparison to the two female characters. So unfortunately it just so happens the two charachters they introduced are females. I have no problem with a female taking the lead role, but there are better ways to go about it without screwing over the main characters. So excuse me if I'm not a big fan of seeing Vegeta and Gokus hard work be reduced to just something a couple new charachters get due to plot.

Isn't that what 18 and 17 did? Bypass super saiyan through cybernetics?

And Vegeta calls them out on that!!! Even Goten and Trunks get called out multiple times in universe. Further the androids literally had a plot device of infinite energy and was specifically said to be made accidentally much much stronger than intended. In fact, so much so that they had been locked away.

See how Toriyama actually THOUGHT about and closed multiple plot holes. We aren't getting ANY of that. The new saiyans are strong just because, and no one seems to call them out on it. No one in universe is saying that's not normal. While the audience is left scratching its head. When Videl saw the kids go SSJ he eyes literally bugged out of her head, jaws dropped. Everyone acknowledged the sheer insanity of it all.

[Amerigo]

At this point in time, I'm just watching Super to see the crazy shit Goku is going to do next

That's it.

[Totamo]

It has nothing to do with a female being too strong. I have no problem with a female rising to the ranks of Goku and Vegeta. The problem is we've seen Goku and Vegetas sweat and tears over the years. We've actually grown up seeing these two, so we have more of a connection. For me it's been almost 18 years of following the story of Goku and Vegeta. Now all of a sudden we have these female Saiyans who bypass all the hard work and villains they fought against easily achieved by these two. Cabba was a little different. He fought evenly with Vegeta in base and was still overpowered by Vegeta in SSJ. Now Cabba is being made to look like a scrub in comparison to the two female characters. So unfortunately it just so happens the two charachters they introduced are females. I have no problem with a female taking the lead role, but there are better ways to go about it without screwing over the main characters. So excuse me if I'm not a big fan of seeing Vegeta and Gokus hard work be reduced to just something a couple new charachters get due to plot.

Isn't that what 18 and 17 did? Bypass super saiyan through cybernetics?

And Vegeta calls them out on that!!! Even Goten and Trunks get called out multiple times in universe. Further the androids literally had a plot device of infinite energy and was specifically said to be made accidentally much much stronger than intended. In fact, so much so that they had been locked away.

See how Toriyama actually THOUGHT about and closed multiple plot holes. We aren't getting ANY of that. The new saiyans are strong just because, and no one seems to call them out on it. No one in universe is saying that's not normal. While the audience is left scratching its head. When Videl saw the kids go SSJ he eyes literally bugged out of her head, jaws dropped. Everyone acknowledged the sheer insanity of it all.

Toriyama didn't do that to address plotholes, he did it to make fun of himself because he knew it was dumb.

Pointing out your problems doesn't make it go away, anyway. 18 and 17 shouldn't have been that strong, Goten and Trunks shouldn't have been able to go super saiyan and he knew that. We all knew that, but most of us didn't care if we did, the Cell saga would not have the praise in the west that it has and Goten wouldn't be one of the most popular characters in the series.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Some nice SSGSS promotional artwork:
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Those are nice. It's always hilarious looking at how muscular Jiren is compared to most others in Super, he's also in a lot of promotional material. isn't there a recent new promotional artwork showing all of U7 with the addition of Jiren fighting Goku? The guy is (understandably) promoted in everything right now.

He also has a fair few merchandise too and was one of the first one's from this new arc, he and Bergamo just had a keychain figure released in Japan this week. And Of course him being plastered all over the OP since Feb! They really are pushing Jiren well harder than Hit.