Kale Explained - Personality, Power

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Kale Explained - Personality, Power

Post by Kastex » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:49 pm

i decided that it was necessary for me to create this thread mainly due to the viewer base reaction to episode 100 of DBS. what we need is an advanced analysis of the scenes we have seen so far to produce logical information. in this thread i will breakdown kale's personality and her special powers. in doing so i will clear up many misconceptions.
feel free to discuss your thoughts or opinions below. also feel free to help me out with any information and stuff. let's go.

(the contents of this thread is not meant to be taken in any offense to any specific gender. rather, i will be drawing comparisons to established opinions or facts)
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Personality:

okay so from what we can tell from the first scene with kale up until now, kale in her base form is very shy, and timid (some definitions of the word "shy" contains aspects or direct mention of timidity, but i think in kale's case, these two words should be mentioned separately at least for the first time). kale seems to have a very deep emotional connection to caulifla. from what i can tell, the theme of this connection seems to be either love, or both love and admiration. the nature of this connection is inferiority.
the reason this must be classified as a connection rather than a bond is because a bond goes both ways. a bond would be something in the center tying them both together. that's not what i am referring to. this connection is coming from kale and attaching to caulifla. obviously caulifla has her own connection towards kale, but it's a different connection to what kale has towards caulifla.

now it's time to draw some comparisons (this block is ONLY comparisons. not conclusions or explanations to why her power or personality makes sense). kale in her base form seems to be based on the stereotypical female. small, weak, emotional, dependent, etc. you know the kind of girl who isn't too comfortable around guys so she needs to cling to a more dependable female to get by. maybe she's also into girls.
so now when kale transforms you get an (stereotypical) angry feminist (now, i could make references to that time of month, but i'm not trying to be rude or offensive. so if you want, you can just imagine that i am making those references). she hates patriarchy so she becomes strong and bulky. she hates men so she tries to kill em. she wants everyone to listen to her so she has a loud voice. she wants to maintain her privilege so she has near invulnerability. she doesn't want to take responsibility for her actions, so she completely loses control.
i suppose you could also draw comparisons to the ex wife or ex girlfriend. no matter how you try to run away from her she keeps chasing you down.

Power:

we have to keep in mind that her super saiyan capabilities are extremely closely modeled after broly. to keep things simple i'll mainly be referencing episode 100. a lot of people are mad that LSS kale was able to stand up to SSB goku without receiving any damage. this is understandable if you don't take a deep look.
(these next three sentences is info about broly. not conclusions about kale's power) if you have played broly in most or all dragon ball games (confession, i've only played BT3 on the ps2, but i'm assuming it's like this in other games as well), he is damn near invulnerable. attacks from any character don't usually phase him. even in the movies attacks don't usually phase him.

when kale transformed in episode 100, her size increased a lot, but her mass increased EXPONENTIALLY. just walking around was enough to crack the arena floor beneath her, and that was incredibly dense material. it MAKES SENSE if she can tank almost ANY attack. of course she would also have the strength to support her mass, and be able to overpower anyone physically with a lot less mass. notice while battling against SS2 goku, she did not do any real damage to goku. this is because she is not more powerful than goku. she was only able to tank damage and use her weight to boost her strength.

this transformation is based on size and mass. this requires the strength, and durability to sustain the size and mass. all of this together gives her the ability to tank powerful attacks, and use her weight to boost the force behind her strikes, as well as her strength in general. because of her insane durability in particular, she can use as much strength as she wants without damaging herself, like how everyone unconsciously holds back on some of their strength to reduce risk of self harm. she does not have to worry about that (though she seems to be completely out of control when transformed. more evidence of not limiting her strength).
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Post by SJ158 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:52 pm

Laughed at the feminist comparison, but aside for that she does nothing for me. What she has to offer so far, that is the cool Broly-like over the top savagery, whas done in a much more impactful way by Broly himself.

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Post by pacz360 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:30 pm

:eh: what
Kale looks at caulifla as her big sister and has a huge inferiority complex about herself there relationship seems to be similar to goku and gohan

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Post by Kastex » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:23 pm

pacz360 wrote::eh: what
Kale looks at caulifla as her big sister and has a huge inferiority complex about herself there relationship seems to be similar to goku and gohan
what i stated can be interpreted in the way you said, so it should only make sense. their relationship (in its entirety) is less than 50% in similarity to the relationship between goku and gohan though.

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Re: Kale Explained - Personality, Power

Post by Asura » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:49 pm

I have to agree with pacz360. :eh: What?

This one seems even further off the mark then your Caulifla analysis. I have no idea what the hell angry feminists or the patriarchy or “stereotypical weak emotional females” have to do with Kale or anyone in Dragon Ball for that matter.

You’re also basing the animations in a video game for Broly as an explanation as to why Kale’s power makes sense. That’s a silly comparison and video games have nothing to do with the show.

This reads more like an unfunny satire than an actual analysis.

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Post by Kastex » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:56 pm

Asura wrote:I have to agree with pacz360. :eh: What?

This one seems even further off the mark then your Caulifla analysis. I have no idea what the hell angry feminists or the patriarchy or “stereotypical weak emotional females” have to do with Kale or anyone in Dragon Ball for that matter.

You’re also basing the animations in a video game for Broly as an explanation as to why Kale’s power makes sense. That’s a silly comparison and video games have nothing to do with the show.

This reads more like an unfunny satire than an actual analysis.
my caulifla analysis was very different from this kale one. i made it clear that i was drawing comparisons in that paragraph. not actual conclusions (for that specific paragraph).

the first paragraph of the power segment was more of an introduction to my explanation which started from the second paragraph. the segment about broly in video games and movies was more specifically towards broly because i decided to add some information about him. broly's character in the game is based on his character in the movies. it was necessary to reference both the games and movies because not everyone who watched the movies played the games and vise versa. also because watching the movies and playing the games is a different experience with the same character. i was trying to increase the "relatability".

also, my caulifla analysis is mostly or entirely based on actual scenes from the show. i have no problem admitting they are not confirmed facts, or else i would have had no reason to make that thread. i provided very logical conclusions and deductions from the material. if anyone has information that falsifies any of my statements then i hope they post that information on that thread so i can look it over and take appropriate action.

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Post by RedHeat » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:44 pm

Kale in her base has several obvious signs of some sort of mental disorder. I'm not going to be pretend I'm very knowledgeable on this subject, but she more than likely has BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). Which include the following characteristics:

-Chronic fear of abandonment
-Interpersonal relationship problems (Jealousy, erratic behavior, possessiveness)
-Mood swings
-Uncontrollable anger
-No real sense of self
-Black and white thinking
etc.

There are several causes behind such a issue, but I won't get into 'em here. Needless to say, she shares very minor resemblances to Broly but their personalities are pretty much night and day, in their base forms at least.
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Post by Asura » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:55 pm

RedHeat wrote:Needless to say, she shares very minor resemblances to Broly
Uh-huh... "very minor" resemblances you say?

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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:09 am

RedHeat wrote:Kale in her base has several obvious signs of some sort of mental disorder. I'm not going to be pretend I'm very knowledgeable on this subject, but she more than likely has BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). Which include the following characteristics:

-Chronic fear of abandonment
-Interpersonal relationship problems (Jealousy, erratic behavior, possessiveness)
-Mood swings
-Uncontrollable anger
-No real sense of self
-Black and white thinking
etc.

There are several causes behind such a issue, but I won't get into 'em here. Needless to say, she shares very minor resemblances to Broly but their personalities are pretty much night and day, in their base forms at least.
Kale obviously has problems her and Brianne are my new favorite characters honestly.

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Post by Kastex » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:46 am

i made some changes to the OP and added some more detail to information.

also feel free to discuss any information you have about kale, or any thoughts you have.

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Post by Kastex » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:02 pm

SJ158 wrote:Laughed at the feminist comparison, but aside for that she does nothing for me. What she has to offer so far, that is the cool Broly-like over the top savagery, whas done in a much more impactful way by Broly himself.
i'm glad you enjoyed my humor. i know what you mean. kale as a character (not necessarily her power level) doesn't seem too interesting to me as this time, but i can see she has a LOT of potential for development. if they do it right then she might even have more character potential than caulifla.

broly will probably always be the better savage though. kale seems like more of a tea party princess kind of girl.

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Post by MaskedRider » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:01 pm

I felt Kale was sloppy as a character at first but I came to love her existence. Whoever decided to give her a Broly-esque transformation deserves a promotion because it works with who she is and when she transforms Kale becomes a totally different character. A contrast.

Kale at her base is exactly who you said she was and you hit the nail on head with her relationship with Caulifla. Kale transformed is, to be more serious without the feminism commentary, more independent. She no longer needs to use Caulifla as a crutch to support herself with what already little identity she has that makes her feel inferior. She has her own strength and using the awesome power of what is obviously a homage to Broly to represent the internal wrath of Hell of emotions that is raging inside her (I like to think of this as Kale "moving on" from Caulifla). In a way its an ugly form much like Merged Zamasu falling apart due to his complex emotions made real.

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Post by PeanutSaiyan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:38 am

Asura wrote:
RedHeat wrote:Needless to say, she shares very minor resemblances to Broly
Uh-huh... "very minor" resemblances you say?

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Crazy how much better the pics from 3 decades ago looks better than what we're getting today in almost every regard - composition, detail, etc.

Also this is one of the most ridiculous threads so far... head canon doesn't even cover it.

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Post by Kastex » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:26 pm

PeanutSaiyan wrote:
Asura wrote:
RedHeat wrote:Needless to say, she shares very minor resemblances to Broly
Uh-huh... "very minor" resemblances you say?

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Crazy how much better the pics from 3 decades ago looks better than what we're getting today in almost every regard - composition, detail, etc.

Also this is one of the most ridiculous threads so far... head canon doesn't even cover it.
i like this thread man. looks good to me.

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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:31 pm

I definitely think any negative emotions (fear, shyness, etc) lower her power levels. Some make a point that her base is incredibly weak but I don't think so. Does anyone recall Gohan during the Nappa fight at first? When Gohan was scared, his power level actually was lower than the 981 that initially showed on the scouter. I think it's pretty much a fact now that if you don't have a solid state of mind before a battle, you're definitely not going to be ready no matter how much you have trained or gained strength.
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Post by Kastex » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:03 am

as i stated the other day. kale has tremendous potential for character development. episode 101 was it for me. she became much more interesting and it actually excited me seeing her start to develop with gaining some control over her transformation. i suppose some people can consider it an ass pull, but so are most other transformations in this franchise, so i'm fine with that. it does make sense since she's been using her power without control, and kinda already knows how to transform. all she needed was that extra push.

it could be better, but so can everything else in the world. i like what i saw in this episode. and that candy kane (caulifla kale) wave was SICK!!!!!!! at this point we are pretty much seeing brand new super saiyan powers. i didn't think episode 101 would have much on episode 100, but this is LIT!!!! i like it.

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Post by RedHeat » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:30 am

Kastex wrote:as i stated the other day. kale has tremendous potential for character development. episode 101 was it for me. she became much more interesting and it actually excited me seeing her start to develop with gaining some control over her transformation. i suppose some people can consider it an ass pull, but so are most other transformations in this franchise, so i'm fine with that. it does make sense since she's been using her power without control, and kinda already knows how to transform. all she needed was that extra push.

it could be better, but so can everything else in the world. i like what i saw in this episode. and that candy kane (caulifla kale) wave was SICK!!!!!!! at this point we are pretty much seeing brand new super saiyan powers. i didn't think episode 101 would have much on episode 100, but this is LIT!!!! i like it.
I don't think her "new" form can be considered an ass-pull seeing as how it's considerably weaker than her Berserker State which now can be used as a 'last resort option' that drains her Ki. But yeah, I agree.
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Post by Hulk10 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:18 pm

I think that Broly is more powerful than she is.
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Post by Kastex » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:01 am

MaskedRider wrote:I felt Kale was sloppy as a character at first but I came to love her existence. Whoever decided to give her a Broly-esque transformation deserves a promotion because it works with who she is and when she transforms Kale becomes a totally different character. A contrast.

Kale at her base is exactly who you said she was and you hit the nail on head with her relationship with Caulifla. Kale transformed is, to be more serious without the feminism commentary, more independent. She no longer needs to use Caulifla as a crutch to support herself with what already little identity she has that makes her feel inferior. She has her own strength and using the awesome power of what is obviously a homage to Broly to represent the internal wrath of Hell of emotions that is raging inside her (I like to think of this as Kale "moving on" from Caulifla). In a way its an ugly form much like Merged Zamasu falling apart due to his complex emotions made real.
i'm glad you agree with me. i know exactly what you mean with kale feeling sloppy at first. if these two characters survive after the tournament i can totally see them becoming more independent of each other, and getting good character development.

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Re: Kale Explained - Personality, Power

Post by Kastex » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:31 am

i changed the pic in the OP because this new one is lit. also, did anyone notice any personality aspects from kale in kefla? i know it makes sense for fusions to not always contain personality aspects of both participants in the fusion, but hey. maybe we can pick it apart and find something small.

EDIT: i like kefla either way though. she's well drawn. i'd hit that..... in a fight. lol get it? hahahaha.

let me know if you guys want me to make a thread about kefla too. i don't really feel like there is too much to talk about, but i can figure something out.

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