"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by Kanassa » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:58 am

TysonWine wrote:
shadowmaria wrote:A friend of mine had a thought

What if time isn't actually passing in the World of Void? ignoring Hit's timeskip working

What I mean is what if when our villians, Team Universe 7 return to Earth, no time has passed since they left? :eh:
Errr the tournament is only 48 minutes. I'm sure it will feel like no time has passed when it's all said and done. It's not like when they get back, Goten and Trunks will be adults and Marron will have a child of her own lol.
That would be an odd twist
"Guys, here have you been!? YOU LEFT TEN YEARS AGO!"
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by Ki Breaker » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:07 am

Kanassa wrote:
TysonWine wrote:
shadowmaria wrote:A friend of mine had a thought

What if time isn't actually passing in the World of Void? ignoring Hit's timeskip working

What I mean is what if when our villians, Team Universe 7 return to Earth, no time has passed since they left? :eh:
Errr the tournament is only 48 minutes. I'm sure it will feel like no time has passed when it's all said and done. It's not like when they get back, Goten and Trunks will be adults and Marron will have a child of her own lol.
That would be an odd twist
"Guys, here have you been!? YOU LEFT TEN YEARS AGO!"
And that's the reason Yamcha's voice actor was exhausted..
He was doing the job of narrating everything happening in the 10 long years..
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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:25 am

Noah wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Once I had this headcanon that one must have the same battle power that Goku had before facing Freeza to become a SSJ, but there are indications that Future Trunks was weaker than that and yet became a SSJ.
Also, though maybe it isnt canon per se, Goku Jr becomes Super Saiyan as a pretty weak child trying to collect the Dragon Balls for Pan.

Fwiw though I imagine strength would help. Why? A strong fighter should have a better idea how to control and manipulate their energy in theory. Unless they are just a physical freak like Frieza.
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Post by TheOne » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:11 am

GodKaio-Ken wrote:
Noah wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Once I had this headcanon that one must have the same battle power that Goku had before facing Freeza to become a SSJ, but there are indications that Future Trunks was weaker than that and yet became a SSJ.
Also, though maybe it isnt canon per se, Goku Jr becomes Super Saiyan as a pretty weak child trying to collect the Dragon Balls for Pan.

Fwiw though I imagine strength would help. Why? A strong fighter should have a better idea how to control and manipulate their energy in theory. Unless they are just a physical freak like Frieza.
That's a shame it's not canon. I thought it was a pretty cool movie and could be a nice tie into a new series.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:44 pm

GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Well, you are wrong.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.
Akyon wrote:I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.
I never said fans liked it, but it's irrelevant because it was explained why they could transform so easily.
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.
Caulifla was confident to take her to the Tournament of Power before seeing her Super Saiyan Berserker form, so she definitely isn't weak. She just has a pathetic personality which keeps her back. All 3 of them are nowhere near Raditz or Nappa, they are much stronger than Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan where when they first turned Super Saiyans.
...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
Everyone can easily turn into a Super Saiyan God for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean they would be able to absorb it. Goku had to fight with someone like Beerus to achieve that.
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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:25 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Well, you are wrong.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.
Akyon wrote:I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.
I never said fans liked it, but it's irrelevant because it was explained why they could transform so easily.
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.
Caulifla was confident to take her to the Tournament of Power before seeing her Super Saiyan Berserker form, so she definitely isn't weak. She just has a pathetic personality which keeps her back. All 3 of them are nowhere near Raditz or Nappa, they are much stronger than Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan where when they first turned Super Saiyans.
...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
Everyone can easily turn into a Super Saiyan God for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean they would be able to absorb it. Goku had to fight with someone like Beerus to achieve that.
Wait...bulla and pan were born without tails does that mean there super prodigies compared to universe 6 and 7 Saiyans

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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:26 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Well, you are wrong.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.
Akyon wrote:I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.
I never said fans liked it, but it's irrelevant because it was explained why they could transform so easily.
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.
Caulifla was confident to take her to the Tournament of Power before seeing her Super Saiyan Berserker form, so she definitely isn't weak. She just has a pathetic personality which keeps her back. All 3 of them are nowhere near Raditz or Nappa, they are much stronger than Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan where when they first turned Super Saiyans.
...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
Everyone can easily turn into a Super Saiyan God for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean they would be able to absorb it. Goku had to fight with someone like Beerus to achieve that.
Wait...bulla and pan were born without tails and are hybrids does that mean there super prodigies compared to universe 6 and 7 Saiyans

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Post by GodKaio-Ken » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:47 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
GodKaio-Ken wrote:Super Saiyan doesnt have a required battle power. I dont believe this has ever been stated anywhere.
Well, you are wrong.
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.
Akyon wrote:I don't recall many people saying they liked Goten and Trunks instantly getting SSJ either though. In fact I seem to remember even in universe Vegeta points out how bullshit it is when he's disgusted it's become a child's plaything.
I never said fans liked it, but it's irrelevant because it was explained why they could transform so easily.
Daizenshuu 4 wrote:The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
At the same time, I see people call the girls out because Caulifla is magically leaping through these levels at such an unbelievably fast pace and Kale seems like she's completely inexperienced as a fighter and very untrained until she gets her super boost to Berserker mode.

Not sure if anyone cares(at least anymore) that Cabba, the singular hand selected U6 Saiyan by Vados from a planet of powerful super heroes for the initial tournament, was able to learn the basic SSJ form through the traditional anger trigger and by being taught by Vegeta first hand how to unlock it. Obtaining SSJ at this stage is so common, I really wouldn't be surprised if Raditz and Nappa actually COULD obtain it if they were brought back.
Caulifla was confident to take her to the Tournament of Power before seeing her Super Saiyan Berserker form, so she definitely isn't weak. She just has a pathetic personality which keeps her back. All 3 of them are nowhere near Raditz or Nappa, they are much stronger than Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan where when they first turned Super Saiyans.
...and if not they can always just gather in a fricking friendship circle to unlock SSJ God anyway.
Everyone can easily turn into a Super Saiyan God for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean they would be able to absorb it. Goku had to fight with someone like Beerus to achieve that.
No I'm not. It just says better than average. That doesnt imply any sort of hard limit.
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Post by Zamasu55 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:19 pm

I have a feeling Piccolo's going out next. :lol:

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Post by Lionel » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:30 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:I have a feeling Piccolo's going out next. :lol:
Yes, because clearly the fighter who's only memorable battle in the series thus far was against an exhausted hand-me-down from Goku should be forfeited next to accommodate the cyborgs or worse, Vegeta siphoning off yet another battle for himself to add to his already sizable collection. It's not like we aren't already inundated with the constant mishaps of the Saiyan Prince. I'm not even sure how #17 became important in this arc. Toriyama just needed some arbitrary figure to occupy a team slot, I suppose.

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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:32 pm

Lionel wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:I have a feeling Piccolo's going out next. :lol:
Yes, because clearly the fighter who's only memorable battle in the series thus far was against an exhausted hand-me-down from Goku should be forfeited next to accommodate the cyborgs or worse, Vegeta siphoning off yet another battle for himself to add to his already sizable collection. It's not like we aren't already inundated with the constant mishaps of the Saiyan Prince. I'm not even sure how #17 became important in this arc. Toriyama just needed some arbitrary figure to occupy a team slot, I suppose.
Are you serious vegeta had more screen time than anyone but gohan ever since the tournament started its obvious he going to last a extremely long time

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:44 pm

Some more nice SSGSS Promotional Art work:
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Would be great if there were some HQ clean scans on some of these!

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Post by Lionel » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:08 pm

Dragonballgod19 wrote:
Lionel wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:I have a feeling Piccolo's going out next. :lol:
Yes, because clearly the fighter who's only memorable battle in the series thus far was against an exhausted hand-me-down from Goku should be forfeited next to accommodate the cyborgs or worse, Vegeta siphoning off yet another battle for himself to add to his already sizable collection. It's not like we aren't already inundated with the constant mishaps of the Saiyan Prince. I'm not even sure how #17 became important in this arc. Toriyama just needed some arbitrary figure to occupy a team slot, I suppose.
Are you serious vegeta had more screen time than anyone but gohan ever since the tournament started its obvious he going to last a extremely long time
One interpretation, of course. Alternatively, some have speculated that the continued fixation of Vegeta's involvement is a balancing medium to ensure he's had a substantive role in the losses of other universes before he himself is eliminated.

I can't say I would be missing Vegeta. For the longest time now he's been defying conventional standards of rivals in this series. If he's eliminated early on so that others are afforded the same possibility of contribution like Vegeta has been privileged with in previous arcs, if only for this arc alone, I would feel greatly satisfied.

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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:40 pm

Lionel wrote:
Dragonballgod19 wrote:
Lionel wrote:
Yes, because clearly the fighter who's only memorable battle in the series thus far was against an exhausted hand-me-down from Goku should be forfeited next to accommodate the cyborgs or worse, Vegeta siphoning off yet another battle for himself to add to his already sizable collection. It's not like we aren't already inundated with the constant mishaps of the Saiyan Prince. I'm not even sure how #17 became important in this arc. Toriyama just needed some arbitrary figure to occupy a team slot, I suppose.
Are you serious vegeta had more screen time than anyone but gohan ever since the tournament started its obvious he going to last a extremely long time
One interpretation, of course. Alternatively, some have speculated that the continued fixation of Vegeta's involvement is a balancing medium to ensure he's had a substantive role in the losses of other universes before he himself is eliminated.

I can't say I would be missing Vegeta. For the longest time now he's been defying conventional standards of rivals in this series. If he's eliminated early on so that others are afforded the same possibility of contribution like Vegeta has been privileged with in previous arcs, if only for this arc alone, I would feel greatly satisfied.
Vegeta always been more relevant than jobhan honestly even thought out the whole of super

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Post by ssjprodigy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:51 pm

Dragonballgod19 wrote:
Lionel wrote:
Dragonballgod19 wrote: Are you serious vegeta had more screen time than anyone but gohan ever since the tournament started its obvious he going to last a extremely long time
One interpretation, of course. Alternatively, some have speculated that the continued fixation of Vegeta's involvement is a balancing medium to ensure he's had a substantive role in the losses of other universes before he himself is eliminated.

I can't say I would be missing Vegeta. For the longest time now he's been defying conventional standards of rivals in this series. If he's eliminated early on so that others are afforded the same possibility of contribution like Vegeta has been privileged with in previous arcs, if only for this arc alone, I would feel greatly satisfied.
Vegeta always been more relevant than jobhan honestly even thought out the whole of super
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Post by Torturephile » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:57 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Some more nice SSGSS Promotional Art Work:
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Would be great if there were some HQ clean scans on some of these!
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Post by Chuquita » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:02 pm

I think the ED's animation is a hint. I think Vegeta's going out third. I think he'll either lose to Brianne or defeat her and then lose to Jiren. His characterization this arc is too flimsy for him to have a big enough part to last till the end. I do think it'll be Gokû and Gohan at the finish.
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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:21 pm

ssjprodigy wrote:
Dragonballgod19 wrote:
Lionel wrote:
One interpretation, of course. Alternatively, some have speculated that the continued fixation of Vegeta's involvement is a balancing medium to ensure he's had a substantive role in the losses of other universes before he himself is eliminated.

I can't say I would be missing Vegeta. For the longest time now he's been defying conventional standards of rivals in this series. If he's eliminated early on so that others are afforded the same possibility of contribution like Vegeta has been privileged with in previous arcs, if only for this arc alone, I would feel greatly satisfied.
Vegeta always been more relevant than jobhan honestly even thought out the whole of super
your doing it again
What?

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Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:22 pm

Chuquita wrote:I think the ED's animation is a hint. I think Vegeta's going out third. I think he'll either lose to Brianne or defeat her and then lose to Jiren. His characterization this arc is too flimsy for him to have a big enough part to last till the end. I do think it'll be Gokû and Gohan at the finish.
I disagree the ending didn't really mean anything I mean all the other ending didn't

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Post by incarnati0n » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:41 pm

Dragonballgod19 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:I think the ED's animation is a hint. I think Vegeta's going out third. I think he'll either lose to Brianne or defeat her and then lose to Jiren. His characterization this arc is too flimsy for him to have a big enough part to last till the end. I do think it'll be Gokû and Gohan at the finish.
I disagree the ending didn't really mean anything I mean all the other ending didn't
The ending before this one already had hints of what was going to happen so that is not true.

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