Did Freeza's hechmen serve him out of fear or devotion?

Jermyn · Post by **Jermyn** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:21 pm

I mean Zarbon, Dadoria, Cui and the Ginyu Force seem geniunelly happy and content to serve under him and they never really seem to have thoughts of backstabbing Freeza or try to steal Dragonballs on Namek and use the wish to overthrow him like Vegeta was trying to do. Also in a filller scene at Freeza's headquters on Planet Freeza where one soldier badmouths Freeza and is then shot dead on the spot by all the others for daring to insult their "Freeza-sama". This seems suggest that Freeza's men followed him out of something other than fear of their lives.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:05 pm

I've never seen that ep in Japanese, but the guy who led the killing of that soldier said, the only types of people out there were those who served Frieza and those who didn't. And the latter didn't live very long. He said it was better than dying.

Also I remember I think it was Mr. Werner's site explaining how his henchmen weren't pure evil as their choices were work for Frieza, or die.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:51 pm

It was likely both, actually. Some seemed interested in being part of Freeza's empire and being able to take whatever they wanted when conquering planets. Others were likely to be terrified like hell over possibly being killed by Freeza's upper men or Freeza himself.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:43 am

Let's take Ginyu? Why couldn't he have used the body change on Freeza? (This has come up before, I think?).
I get the feeling he just didn't want to, because Freeza held him in such high regard, and when the imperial leader holds your team so highly, you get lots of stuff.
As for some of those below the top guys... could go either way (The filler Freeza's base episode gives an indication of why)

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:14 am

Could also be because Ginyu knew better than to try anything funny on Freeza. Freeza seemed to know where people stood when it came to loyalty with him. Ginyu would've been killed before he could get a chance to swap bodies. :p

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:16 am

Well. those strong and close to him properly served Freeza out of devotion. And those grunts and weaklings serve him out of fear.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:52 am

Zaarbon: "Vegeta..uhh...why don't I join you and together we'll fight Freeza...AAARGH!"

I think they made it out of fear. Serve or be killed.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:57 am

I think it was out of fear as well. If Goduo and Ginyu combined their Telekinesis/Body Change techniques together, they could have probably been able to overtake him. But, we never see none of that.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:12 pm

Godo wrote:Zaarbon: "Vegeta..uhh...why don't I join you and together we'll fight Freeza...AAARGH!"

I think they made it out of fear. Serve or be killed.

Given that Vegeta had just rammed his fist into Zarbon's chest, I think that's less "scared of freeza' and more 'scared of vegeta".

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:01 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Godo wrote:Zaarbon: "Vegeta..uhh...why don't I join you and together we'll fight Freeza...AAARGH!"

I think they made it out of fear. Serve or be killed.
Given that Vegeta had just rammed his fist into Zarbon's chest, I think that's less "scared of freeza' and more 'scared of vegeta".

And you've proven my point.

Da Games Elite · Post by **Da Games Elite** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:05 pm

I always assumed it was out of fear, as Zarbon was at a few times terrified of Frieza's fury, but when Frieza wasn't pissed, he was extremely cheerful. So probably a little bit of devotion next to fear.

Furu · Post by **Furu** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:01 am

I agree that it's probably a mix of fear and loyalty depending on who we're talking about. The grunts seem to be terrified to be within three feet of him while Dodoria and Zarbon are practically at his side at all times. On the furthest side of the spectrum, we have Ginyu, who from some of his dialogue always came off to me as being a bit of a fanatic.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am

I agree with most people here; Freeza was mostly served out of fear, but for the higher-class beings the status they enjoyed was something worthy of devotion. As strength was the sole factor in Freeza's Empire, the stronger beings had less to fear from Freeza since they were more useful to him than the expendable grunts. For example, Freeza almost seemed to treat Ginyu like a good friend and Ginyu in turn was very devoted, but not afraid of Freeza.