"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Mercenary]

Of course lets take it with a grain of salt.

Roshi was seen tired after using bankokou in episode 101, and with Universe 2 fighting this saturday, it wouldnt be shocking if he is gone and also Tenshinhan(he already got his elimination).

This is far more likely to happen because the opening actually means something

I also thought this is the correct order. Or might be the correct order. Anyway, surely more likely to happen than the outro theory with Vegeta dropping as a #3.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Daisuki Closing on October 31/2017; All Services Will Be Terminated EXCEPT Dragon Ball Super

[TheOne]

I don't think they dropped the ball at all on Goten and Trunks. Part of me feels they're taking the Boruto approach. Goten and Trunks are probably going to get more face time with Uub Pan and Bulla. Right now it feels like it's the story of their parents, and then down the road they switch roles. I don't think it's a bad approach.

I am not so sure since unlike Naruto Dragon Ball has never really been a generation story. What I mean in this regard is that Naruto makes it a big point that the new generation surpasses the old, while Dragon Ball doesn't really focused on that. The only generation up to par with the old are the Saiyan hybrids and they fall behind of their parents because they don't train. That and I am not sure how many fans would care to watched the 'next generation'. Boruto isn't exactly lighting up the charts.

If Dragon Ball started out more like Jo Jo, which his a generational story, I could see it being successful in that regard.

How do they fall short? The hybrids are beyond stronger than their parents at this point in their lives. Id put Goten and Trunks up against Frieza arc SSJ Goku any day. Maybe not win, but definitely give him a legit fight.

Things might end up changing down the road. They definitely enjoy fighting like their dads. While I definitely don't see Goku completely being out of the picture, I don't think it's wrong for the Trunks and Goten adventures to begin when Bulla Trunks and Uub get older.

They hinted at passing the torch at the end of Z, so it's not out of the realm of possibility the focus might shift down the road. Maybe not next year or maybe not 5 years from now, but things can change.

[Dragonballgod19]

Of course lets take it with a grain of salt.

Roshi was seen tired after using bankokou in episode 101, and with Universe 2 fighting this saturday, it wouldnt be shocking if he is gone and also Tenshinhan(he already got his elimination).

This is far more likely to happen because the opening actually means something

I also thought this is the correct order. Or might be the correct order. Anyway, surely more likely to happen than the outro theory with Vegeta dropping as a #3.

Yeah vegeta being third is actually bs and unlike the ending the opening always meant something.

[Noah]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Well, if this theory is true, I would end up hitting just the order of Freeza and Vegeta in my bet.

[spoiler]1. Tien
2. #18
3. Mutenroshi
4. Piccolo
5. Krillin
6. #17
7. Freeza
8. Vegeta
9. Goku
10. Gohan[/spoiler]

[Dragonballgod19]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Well, if this theory is true, I would end up hitting just the order of Freeza and Vegeta in my bet.

[spoiler]1. Tien
2. #18
3. Mutenroshi
4. Piccolo
5. Krillin
6. #17
7. Freeza
8. Vegeta
9. Goku
10. Gohan[/spoiler]

Probably true

[dbgtFO]

Daisuki Closing 31 October 2017; All Services Will Be Terminated EXCEPT Dragon Ball Super

That's weird. I wonder what the reason is for closing it all down. But at least DB Super will still be available, if not on Daisuki, but somewhere else and still free. Sad to lose One-Punch Man though.

[Lord Beerus]

Daisuki Closing 31 October 2017; All Services Will Be Terminated EXCEPT Dragon Ball Super

That's weird. I wonder what the reason is for closing it all down. But at least DB Super will still be available, if not on Daisuki, but somewhere else and still free. Sad to lose One-Punch Man though.

Maybe the service wasn't pulling enough money due the lack of people who signed up to be a premier membership. But what makes this situation all more unsual is the fact Dragon Ball Super remains intact. Like, how does that work?

[GodKaio-Ken]

I've never heard of that service, I use CrunchyRoll to watch but regardless that is really weird only DBS is staying.

[dbgtFO]

Maybe the service wasn't pulling enough money due the lack of people who signed up to be a premier membership. But what makes this situation all more unsual is the fact Dragon Ball Super remains intact. Like, how does that work?

Toei likely wants it out there, as they know people will watch it and thus bring in ad revenue and increase the likelihood people will buy the merchandise.
I too am intrigued by how they expect us to see it now. It won't be on Daisuki, as that will be closed down, but they say they will bring up an alternate method.

I've never heard of that service, I use CrunchyRoll to watch but regardless that is really weird only DBS is staying.

It's for us Europeans, mostly.

[HeroR]

How do they fall short? The hybrids are beyond stronger than their parents at this point in their lives. Id put Goten and Trunks up against Frieza arc SSJ Goku any day. Maybe not win, but definitely give him a legit fight.

Things might end up changing down the road. They definitely enjoy fighting like their dads. While I definitely don't see Goku completely being out of the picture, I don't think it's wrong for the Trunks and Goten adventures to begin when Bulla Trunks and Uub get older.

They hinted at passing the torch at the end of Z, so it's not out of the realm of possibility the focus might shift down the road. Maybe not next year or maybe not 5 years from now, but things can change.

All the hybrids are vastly inferior to Goku and Vegeta outside of Future Trunks and Gohan and it will stay that way since they don't train. Goten and Trunks hasn't grown in power since the Buu Saga, which is almost a decade.

EOZ it was already stated that Goten and Trunks lost interest in training and have slacked off. So unless Super changes that, they're not going to grow and Gohan will go back to being a nerd.

Again, Dragon Ball has never been a generation story in passing the torch. It's Goku's story and seeing him grow. Everyone else comes and goes. In other words, it isn't Jo Jo.

[Dragonballgod19]

How do they fall short? The hybrids are beyond stronger than their parents at this point in their lives. Id put Goten and Trunks up against Frieza arc SSJ Goku any day. Maybe not win, but definitely give him a legit fight.

Things might end up changing down the road. They definitely enjoy fighting like their dads. While I definitely don't see Goku completely being out of the picture, I don't think it's wrong for the Trunks and Goten adventures to begin when Bulla Trunks and Uub get older.

They hinted at passing the torch at the end of Z, so it's not out of the realm of possibility the focus might shift down the road. Maybe not next year or maybe not 5 years from now, but things can change.

All the hybrids are vastly inferior to Goku and Vegeta outside of Future Trunks and Gohan and it will stay that way since they don't train. Goten and Trunks hasn't grown in power since the Buu Saga, which is almost a decade.

EOZ it was already stated that Goten and Trunks lost interest in training and have slacked off. So unless Super changes that, they're not going to grow and Gohan will go back to being a nerd.

Again, Dragon Ball has never been a generation story in passing the torch. It's Goku's story and seeing him grow. Everyone else comes and goes. In other words, it isn't Jo Jo.

Yeah goten and trunks lost didn't care for fighting in eoz bulla was just basically a toddler she really doesn't even count she probably has a good future since super been doing a far better job with her and pan now uub honestly was pointless

[Alruneia]

Again, Dragon Ball has never been a generation story in passing the torch. It's Goku's story and seeing him grow. Everyone else comes and goes. In other words, it isn't JoJo.

I'm just gonna jump in on this exact comment, ignoring the rest of the conversation.
This is exactly right. From beginning to end, Goku has been the main character of the franchise, the "constant" to the varying characters surrounding him. I wrote another post with this point in it fairly recently, but: Dragon Ball as a franchise has long since passed the point where it's too late to change main characters. They can't retire him anymore. Passing the torch to the next generation (to use the two main families as an example) wouldn't be switching out Goku and Vegeta with Goten and Trunks, it would be switching out Goten and Trunks with Pan and Bulla. Goku would basically have to remain in his role, because that's what Dragon Ball is.

[TheOne]

How do they fall short? The hybrids are beyond stronger than their parents at this point in their lives. Id put Goten and Trunks up against Frieza arc SSJ Goku any day. Maybe not win, but definitely give him a legit fight.

Things might end up changing down the road. They definitely enjoy fighting like their dads. While I definitely don't see Goku completely being out of the picture, I don't think it's wrong for the Trunks and Goten adventures to begin when Bulla Trunks and Uub get older.

They hinted at passing the torch at the end of Z, so it's not out of the realm of possibility the focus might shift down the road. Maybe not next year or maybe not 5 years from now, but things can change.

All the hybrids are vastly inferior to Goku and Vegeta outside of Future Trunks and Gohan and it will stay that way since they don't train. Goten and Trunks hasn't grown in power since the Buu Saga, which is almost a decade.

EOZ it was already stated that Goten and Trunks lost interest in training and have slacked off. So unless Super changes that, they're not going to grow and Gohan will go back to being a nerd.

Again, Dragon Ball has never been a generation story in passing the torch. It's Goku's story and seeing him grow. Everyone else comes and goes. In other words, it isn't Jo Jo.

Yeah goten and trunks lost didn't care for fighting in eoz bulla was just basically a toddler she really doesn't even count she probably has a good future since super been doing a far better job with her and pan now uub honestly was pointless

After everything you've seen them do in Super, do you honesty think power wise they'd make it impossible for them to catch Goku and Vegeta? Can you REALLY sit here and type that Toei will honor what was already established in Z? They changed Trunks hair color to Blue for goodness sake. Yeah I get that his hair was technically blue in the manga, but they had already established Trunks hair as purple in the Z anime. Now it just looks stupid that they switched it midway.

Who in the world has ever said that Goten and Trunks don't have potential to get stronger? Do you see how ridiculous you sound? You're telling me the future offspring of Vegetas is inferior to the present offspring of Vegeta. Both are freaking Trunks. If anything, this present Trunks is stronger than the future Trunks at this age. No matter what you sit here and try to say and solidify in your head, they are both the offspring of Vegeta and Goku. They have an enormous amount of potential given how unnaturally strong they are right now.

Do you see the ridiculous gains Gohan made in 40 hours? Trunks and Goten are powerhouses at this age. If they legitimately trained, they would easily catch up to their fathers. I know nothing about Jo Jo, but I do remember Uub was being trained by Goku to uphold the peace and for his own selfish reasons. If toeis good at anything, they're good at proving people like you wrong.

[Chuquita]

I agree with Alruneia. Torch passing, I think, is something you need to plan from the get-go, not 30+ years into the franchise's life span. I also think it requires more world building than Toriyama has put into Dragon Ball. JoJo has strong world building and its battles have an emphasis on solving puzzles with strategy that also involves punching, where Dragon Ball is almost all brute strength with some strategy. The nature of stands allows anyone to take part in the battle regardless of their body build or physical strength. Because of that, you can reset the cast much easier because you don't have the power creep Dragon Ball has.

[Lapislettuce]

Why do people believe in this opening shot ? first it was the ending order and now the star that the characters are holding ?? this is getting ridiculous ! i can't even see the stars on the balls properly, idk about you all but Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as last 3 is the most predictible and boring ending of an arc i can ever imagine i hope it's not the case. and before someone calls me "a salty 17 fan" i'd rather have any non saiyan replace one of the saiyans as last 3 ! there.

[perucho1990]

Sorry if I already mentioned this.

If Tenshinhan is the next one eliminated then Vegeta might likely lose to Brianne.

If Roshi is the next one that gets canned, then Vegeta wont lose vs Brianne.

Its basically between Tenshinhan and Roshi that will decide what will be Vegetas fate in the ToP.

[Mercenary]

Why do people believe in this opening shot ? first it was the ending order and now the star that the characters are holding ?? this is getting ridiculous ! i can't even see the stars on the balls properly, idk about you all but Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as last 3 is the most predictible and boring ending of an arc i can ever imagine i hope it's not the case. and before someone calls me "a salty 17 fan" i'd rather have any non saiyan replace one of the saiyans as last 3 ! there.

#17 making it to the finals is also boring, lol. This guy seriously hasn't got any depth of his character. He is just boring version of Vegeta. Pretends to be badass but he really isn't. Something like Hit, but Hit at least is stronger and has a wide range of techniques and other tricks.

[Lapislettuce]

Why do people believe in this opening shot ? first it was the ending order and now the star that the characters are holding ?? this is getting ridiculous ! i can't even see the stars on the balls properly, idk about you all but Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as last 3 is the most predictible and boring ending of an arc i can ever imagine i hope it's not the case. and before someone calls me "a salty 17 fan" i'd rather have any non saiyan replace one of the saiyans as last 3 ! there.

#17 making it to the finals is also boring, lol. This guy seriously hasn't got any depth of his character. He is just boring version of Vegeta. Pretends to be badass but he really isn't. Something like Hit, but Hit at least is stronger and has a wide range of techniques and other tricks.

That's your opinion. i don't agree with it aznd i don't even respect it because you're just talking out of salt, 17 has had great character developement and is NOTHING like Vegeta, also you know nothing about his new strength or abilities, Toriyama said he didn't have the opportunity to showcase his real abilities so he's doing it now, expect to see more of him. and bring more salt.

[SansrivaaL]

Agree'd, passing the torch cliche doesnt really fit Dragon Ball, if they do plan on pulling one I have a feeling that would do more bad than good. Goku is just too much of a lovable bastard to change.