Should Goku get a new form?

[MR.Mark]

SSJ 2 and 3 is bad enough, I didn't care the the "grades", it was the weaker writing in the Cell arc. It makes SSJ2 more of an ass pull, though not as much as SSJ3. I think Toriyama should of started the idea of training power in the base form then powering up to SSJ for even more strength. Gohan could of not even achieved SSJ 1 and fought Cell in his base at first. Then when Android 16 dies Gohan unlocks a SSJ special to him, which looks like his SSJ2. Maybe then it would look like a little less of a plot device to beat Cell with.

Toriyama wouldn't have been able to justify base Gohan being above SSJ Goku, and it was already established that the future Gohan was a SSJ. There was also all that talk about surpassing Super Saiyan.
SSJ2 made sense. SSJ3 didn't.

Still could of found a way, they could of come out of the room of spirit of time with there base hair standing up like SSJ, having everyone question whether this was connected to surpassing SSJ.

Goku could of fought Cell with spiked up base hair, then turning gold for more power, and Gohan could of went from spike up base to a gold that looks like SSJ2.

Future Gohan is an alternate Gohan so his SSJ is fine as is.

As for Vegeta and Trunks, not sure what I'd do with them,as the bulky grade forms just come off as beta versions of SSJ2.

[Shinda Forever]

No. Enough with Saiyans/Goku transformations. Another transformation so soon would be too ridiculous to be true.

[TBMx]

A new form hasn't been set up. Goku has vaguely alluded to passing his limits, but if Goku absorbs the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan into his base form as well as Kaioken, or is able to then stack Kaioken x 20 over it, therefore doubling down on a combination that already makes Goku stronger than the entire U7 team put together, then I am done with this bullshit. Just done.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm not a fan of the escalating forms, and haven't been since I found out they started numbering them. (And yet SSJ 3 is my favorite) So I hope the God forms don't get the same treatment.

If Goku is getting a new form I want it to be different from the others. Also not something he can just pop in and out of like he does with everything else. a little vague but I don't even know what I want for sure. So I'll just wait and see what I get.

I also feel like you. I would like the new form to be a permanent power-up that cancels every other form (bar base unless it doesn't bring any physical change).
I'm tired of seeing Goku always holding back by changing between his forms, so I'd like to see things go back to how they used to be in OG Dragon Ball. That's also how every character except for the Saiyans works.
RoF tried to simplify it with Goku and Vegeta, but for some reason Toriyama went back to the old forms.

Nothing ever implied the old forms were gone at all in Resurrection "F" not a single thing, it is another example of fans building self-expectations and making shit up in their heads when nothing really was there.

[Draconic]

Well, it's not like I expected Blue to be the end of transformations, but I am indifferent on Goku getting a new form. I hope if he does that it will be more than just another recolor.

The one thing I really want, though at this point it's probably quite impossible, is that the new form will be exclusive to Goku. I don't want Gohan or Vegeta or anyone else getting it. Let them match/surpass it, if the story calls for it, via other means.
With how many Saiyans there are, them all getting the same forms got stale a long time ago. They are all different fighters with different motivations, training regimes and triggers. Have them all put their unique spin on transformations.

[z_cherub]

There's no need and reason for this show other than pure marketing and merchandising at this point.

FTFY

[Shinda Forever]

Well, it's not like I expected Blue to be the end of transformations, but I am indifferent on Goku getting a new form. I hope if he does that it will be more than just another recolor.

The one thing I really want, though at this point it's probably quite impossible, is that the new form will be exclusive to Goku. I don't want Gohan or Vegeta or anyone else getting it. Let them match/surpass it, if the story calls for it, via other means.
With how many Saiyans there are, them all getting the same forms got stale a long time ago. They are all different fighters with different motivations, training regimes and triggers. Have them all put their unique spin on transformations.

That won't happen ever.

[z_cherub]

...could of found a way... ...could of come out of the room...

...Goku could of fought Cell... ...and Gohan could of...

I don't normally do this, but this is just too much in one post/thread. They could HAVE done all those things. Unless "could" is a noun and hails from a particular place (Could of Manchester, like Duke of Earl), it's could HAVE.

[Akyon]

Literally one of my most hated aspects of the show is asspull transformations to magically give the saiyans another boost in power rendering tactics unneccesary and to make battles less a test of skill and more who has the most bs power ups.

But I'm in the minority since the general fanbase can't get enough of it so I guess now is good enough time as ever to once again wheel out a form that is pulled from no where that turns the tide of battle.

[Boo Machine]

I'm not a fan of the escalating forms, and haven't been since I found out they started numbering them. (And yet SSJ 3 is my favorite) So I hope the God forms don't get the same treatment.

If Goku is getting a new form I want it to be different from the others. Also not something he can just pop in and out of like he does with everything else. a little vague but I don't even know what I want for sure. So I'll just wait and see what I get.

I also feel like you. I would like the new form to be a permanent power-up that cancels every other form (bar base unless it doesn't bring any physical change).
I'm tired of seeing Goku always holding back by changing between his forms, so I'd like to see things go back to how they used to be in OG Dragon Ball. That's also how every character except for the Saiyans works.
RoF tried to simplify it with Goku and Vegeta, but for some reason Toriyama went back to the old forms.

Nothing ever implied the old forms were gone at all in Resurrection "F" not a single thing, it is another example of fans building self-expectations and making shit up in their heads when nothing really was there.

Nothing in the movie implies it, you're right, but wasn't there an interview where Toriyama said that Goku probably wouldn't use the gold forms again? I think that's where the assumption comes from. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption.

[emperior]

I'm not a fan of the escalating forms, and haven't been since I found out they started numbering them. (And yet SSJ 3 is my favorite) So I hope the God forms don't get the same treatment.

If Goku is getting a new form I want it to be different from the others. Also not something he can just pop in and out of like he does with everything else. a little vague but I don't even know what I want for sure. So I'll just wait and see what I get.

I also feel like you. I would like the new form to be a permanent power-up that cancels every other form (bar base unless it doesn't bring any physical change).
I'm tired of seeing Goku always holding back by changing between his forms, so I'd like to see things go back to how they used to be in OG Dragon Ball. That's also how every character except for the Saiyans works.
RoF tried to simplify it with Goku and Vegeta, but for some reason Toriyama went back to the old forms.

Nothing ever implied the old forms were gone at all in Resurrection "F" not a single thing, it is another example of fans building self-expectations and making shit up in their heads when nothing really was there.

In RoF Goku and Vegeta have the power of Super Saiyan God, and Goku specifically says that Blue happens when a SSG-powered Saiyan goes Super Saiyan. It's difficult to believe that the boost Blue provided in RoF was higher than 50x, considering everybody shat their pants when Freezer transformed into his final form.
Though you are actually right, RoF never confirmed old forms were gone forever.

[MR.Mark]

...could of found a way... ...could of come out of the room...

...Goku could of fought Cell... ...and Gohan could of...

I don't normally do this, but this is just too much in one post/thread. They could HAVE done all those things. Unless "could" is a noun and hails from a particular place (Could of Manchester, like Duke of Earl), it's could HAVE.

I should of found a better way to word those.

[ekrolo2]

I also feel like you. I would like the new form to be a permanent power-up that cancels every other form (bar base unless it doesn't bring any physical change).
I'm tired of seeing Goku always holding back by changing between his forms, so I'd like to see things go back to how they used to be in OG Dragon Ball. That's also how every character except for the Saiyans works.
RoF tried to simplify it with Goku and Vegeta, but for some reason Toriyama went back to the old forms.

Nothing ever implied the old forms were gone at all in Resurrection "F" not a single thing, it is another example of fans building self-expectations and making shit up in their heads when nothing really was there.

Nothing in the movie implies it, you're right, but wasn't there an interview where Toriyama said that Goku probably wouldn't use the gold forms again? I think that's where the assumption comes from. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption.

He said Goku would make Base & SS1 stronger then 2 and 3, making 2 and 3 effectively pointless. That doesn't mean Goku can't use them, just that he wouldn't because they're worthless at the time of that interview. Like how Goku can probably use Grades 2, 3 and Kaio Ken but won't because there's no point to doing so.

[Boo Machine]

He said Goku would make Base & SS1 stronger then 2 and 3, making 2 and 3 effectively pointless. That doesn't mean Goku can't use them, just that he wouldn't because they're worthless at the time of that interview. Like how Goku can probably use Grades 2, 3 and Kaio Ken but won't because there's no point to doing so.

Ah, yes, you're right. That makes sense.

I was only remembering when I was surprised that Goku whips out Gold during the U6 stuff and I thought he couldn't.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

He said Goku would make Base & SS1 stronger then 2 and 3, making 2 and 3 effectively pointless. That doesn't mean Goku can't use them, just that he wouldn't because they're worthless at the time of that interview. Like how Goku can probably use Grades 2, 3 and Kaio Ken but won't because there's no point to doing so.

Ah, yes, you're right. That makes sense.

I was only remembering when I was surprised that Goku whips out Gold during the U6 stuff and I thought he couldn't.

That all said I do/did prefer the theory that SSGSS replaced all existing forms... But gotta sell that merchandise, luckily for Toriyama he didn't back himself into a corner.

[MR.Mark]

Bleh, there's gotta be a way from a story standpoint to express the progression to a new level of strength without all these fucking power ups. Even though I like Gohan's SSJ2 look at the Cell games and enjoyed him giving Cell a thrashing, really the original SSJ moment with Goku is the only one to me with the biggest impact in the story.

I to was one of the fans who thought Blue was going to replace SSJ to simplify things. Hopefully Goku's next level of strength will finally do just that. There's plenty of other Saiyans now that can push gold to sell merch, I wish Goku and Vegeta could move on from all the hair changes.

[Jigurashi]

What's the point of bringing a team along when Goku's just going to get a new form when his back's against the ropes? I'd much rather see the protagonist solve the problem with the established tools instead of asspulling transformations so much.

This comes off more as something you just don't like rather than it being an actual "asspull."

[TBMx]

What's the point of bringing a team along when Goku's just going to get a new form when his back's against the ropes? I'd much rather see the protagonist solve the problem with the established tools instead of asspulling transformations so much.

This comes off more as something you just don't like rather than it being an actual "asspull."

It's an asspull because it hasn't been set up as a thing. At all. And because any idiot can write a protagonist winning by writing a new shiny and having them overpower the opponent.

[Jigurashi]

What's the point of bringing a team along when Goku's just going to get a new form when his back's against the ropes? I'd much rather see the protagonist solve the problem with the established tools instead of asspulling transformations so much.

This comes off more as something you just don't like rather than it being an actual "asspull."

It's an asspull because it hasn't been set up as a thing. At all. And because any idiot can write a protagonist winning by writing a new shiny and having them overpower the opponent.

What makes it not set up though? There's dialogue you said that isn't really setting up anything but I could easily argue that it is. I'm not saying it won't be an asspull, but to say it hasn't been set up is more of an opinion at the moment than anything else.

[TBMx]

This comes off more as something you just don't like rather than it being an actual "asspull."

It's an asspull because it hasn't been set up as a thing. At all. And because any idiot can write a protagonist winning by writing a new shiny and having them overpower the opponent.

What makes it not set up though? There's dialogue you said that isn't really setting up anything but I could easily argue that it is. I'm not saying it won't be an asspull, but to say it hasn't been set up is more of an opinion at the moment than anything else.

There were legends about Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God. An entire arc devoted to the concept of ascended saiyan. This is in the category of Super Saiyan 3. Just a random transformation asspulled in order to level up Goku. If it is what I think it is, some internalising of Super Saiyan God Kaioken, or some surpassing of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kaioken, the fact is nowhere has it even been hinted how such a thing could be possible. All Goku has given is a vague line about passing his limits. Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken was just a combination of established forms, although it was cheap as the story doesn't give a plausible opportunity as to when Goku could have practiced it. The show hasn't given any hint as to when Goku could have learned this so called limit breaker form. This is a fact, from which I now derive and opinion: Goku's becoming a tiresome character. If fan prediction plays out, what we have is Goku using a random new form in the finals to fight a character with no personality who barely speaks, with no backstory. May as well stop watching at that point because seriously who cares? Goku's universe won't be eliminated anyway as that's a franchinse ending event. Therefore how it plays out is where the interest lies, and Goku vs Jiren is only interesting to those mindless fanboys who only care about seeing da next biggest powar.