Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by precita » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:06 pm

What does Vegeta being the strongest in the group somehow prevent him from being knocked out early? It's not like these characters are being taken down in order of power levels. If Vegeta goes against a strong opponent that takes him down early, then he goes down early regardless if there's still weaker fighters in his team or on the others.

It's the same reason Roshi is lasting so long despite probably being the weakest fighter in the entire tournament. Characters are not going down in a certain order of power, it's random.
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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by TBMx » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:16 pm

It's not okay for Vegeta to be eliminated early after a 33 episode combat hiatus.

[spoiler]Vegeta will defeat or bypass Ribrienne and fight Hit in what will be a close match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nro_omdE-X8[/spoiler]

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Chuquita » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:30 pm

He'll probably defeat Brianne because this show has failsafes against Precure ultimates. Future Trunks defeating Merged Zamasu with that genki dama sword and everyone going "Ganbare!" is THE Precure movie trope and it failed, so I can only assume Brianne will fail to defeat Vegeta.
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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by precita » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:58 pm

Doesn't mean Vegeta defeat Brianne. Their fight might just get interrupted or they stop fighting for whatever reason.

We literally had Vegeta fighting Botamo/Magnetta in one episode to the next....where he went somewhere completely else and didn't bother finishing them off. So this could be the same.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by WhatIfTheories » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:50 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:So i'm gonna specify that this isn't hate or anything i don't hate Vegeta and i feel neutral towards him, so i feel like people don't want Vegeta to get eliminated early in the tournament and i don't understand why ? Vegeta as a side character had a great deal of screen time and cool moments in every arc compared to all the other supporting characters, Vegeta always shines the most after Goku, so why is it not okay for this arc to make an exception ? especially if he goes down after a cool moment or two ?
Honestly I probably wouldn't of got drawn into DBZ if it wasn't for Vegeta. He is a main character and in Super has had a lot of character development. Has a family and is a better role model then Goku. I think they should have Vegeta win the tournament of power and be the Hero of the Arc.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by perucho1990 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:30 pm

Chuquita wrote:He'll probably defeat Brianne because this show has failsafes against Precure ultimates. Future Trunks defeating Merged Zamasu with that genki dama sword and everyone going "Ganbare!" is THE Precure movie trope and it failed, so I can only assume Brianne will fail to defeat Vegeta.
Kale and Caulifla also had a Precure-lite moment and they eliminated 3 Pride Troopers.

But anyways I think that Vegeta will somehow survive Brianne, if its not by defeating her then he gets rescued(imagine if Freeza rescues him).

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Chuquita » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:05 pm

perucho1990 wrote:
Chuquita wrote:He'll probably defeat Brianne because this show has failsafes against Precure ultimates. Future Trunks defeating Merged Zamasu with that genki dama sword and everyone going "Ganbare!" is THE Precure movie trope and it failed, so I can only assume Brianne will fail to defeat Vegeta.
Kale and Caulifla also had a Precure-lite moment and they eliminated 3 Pride Troopers.

But anyways I think that Vegeta will somehow survive Brianne, if its not by defeating her then he gets rescued(imagine if Freeza rescues him).
I like that they're both voiced by previous Cures too; Cure White and Cure Passion. Also fun that Nozawa voices White's grandmother.

Freeza rescuing Vegeta would be an even bigger blow to his pride, but it'd probably be funny.
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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by King Jacku » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:18 pm

Personally I wouldn't be okay with it. Him, Gohan and Kuririn are pretty much the only ones in this Tourney that have something important to fight for (besides dying lol). Plus there's still many people I want to see him interact more with, like, Gohan, Hit, Freeza, Toppo.

I think it would be great if he tied with Hit and they both got knocked out at the same time.

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Post by Jigurashi » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:27 pm

King Jacku wrote:Personally I wouldn't be okay with it. Him, Gohan and Kuririn are pretty much the only ones in this Tourney that have something important to fight for (besides dying lol). Plus there's still many people I want to see him interact more with, like, Gohan, Hit, Freeza, Toppo.

I think it would be great if he tied with Hit and they both got knocked out at the same time.
False. Goku, 18, and 17 all have something fighting for as well. Problem is, outside of really Gohan, none of the others seem to be caring all that much regardless.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by King Jacku » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:56 am

Jigurashi wrote:
King Jacku wrote:Personally I wouldn't be okay with it. Him, Gohan and Kuririn are pretty much the only ones in this Tourney that have something important to fight for (besides dying lol). Plus there's still many people I want to see him interact more with, like, Gohan, Hit, Freeza, Toppo.

I think it would be great if he tied with Hit and they both got knocked out at the same time.
False. Goku, 18, and 17 all have something fighting for as well. Problem is, outside of really Gohan, none of the others seem to be caring all that much regardless.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant people that gave a damn about the thing they're fighting for. You're totally right about 18 though, forgot about her.

17 blatantly said he doesn't care if him or his family was annihilated, shows how important they are to him. And we all know Goku loves fighting more than his family.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Simere » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:26 am

I want Vegeta's resolve to harden as he thinks of his devotion to Bulma, his pride in Trunks, and his dreams for Bra...

...and then be summarily knocked out of bounds. Because love for family has nothing to do with fighting.

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Post by King Jacku » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:52 am

Simere wrote:I want Vegeta's resolve to harden as he thinks of his devotion to Bulma, his pride in Trunks, and his dreams for Bra...

...and then be summarily knocked out of bounds. Because love for family has nothing to do with fighting.
It does when your family is on the line of being blown into sparkles and the ONLY option is to fight. I mean what, is he gonna Bingo dance everyone to death?

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Whatever » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:15 am

King Jacku wrote:
Simere wrote:I want Vegeta's resolve to harden as he thinks of his devotion to Bulma, his pride in Trunks, and his dreams for Bra...

...and then be summarily knocked out of bounds. Because love for family has nothing to do with fighting.
It does when your family is on the line of being blown into sparkles and the ONLY option is to fight. I mean what, is he gonna Bingo dance everyone to death?
Well Freeza will laugh himself to death if anything.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Super_Divine_Genki » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:44 am

Lapislettuce wrote:
Super_Divine_Genki wrote:I don't want Vegeta to be eliminated until very near the end, if it comes down to that. He had previously been thrown way to the background post-Zamasu arc, and an early elimination would add further disappointment, imo. Also, I'm looking for him to pull out something new during these battles because his character has gotten quite stale by now, in a fighting sense. For U7, I wouldn't be surprised if the Final Four were Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, and Piccolo, after Goku gets in a super show-stealing performance before getting eliminated in some odd way. It would be somewhat symbolic that Goku has always carried the heavy load previously in his universe, and that others (mainly Vegeta and Freeza) would get to show what they're made of when it comes to representing survival of their universe when it gets down to the nitty-gritty.
I see 17 making it in the finals too, there's no way they bring him back if he's not going to have his fair share of screen time, i doubt Piccolo will go that far unless they will be using him for another Gohan power up. as for Vegeta i think he should go early for reasons i stated above, there's nothing new to explore with him and he already fought for the sake of earth before, also there's no way Goku isn't going to be the last man standing he's THE LEAD.
On the flipside of that, Vegeta has historically throughout the story been given the short end. Yeah, he's had great moments, but he gets sent home packing too easily without getting a good showing when this series (Super) seems to have been pushing him as being right up there near Goku as a co-main. Goku has always been the lead, but that didn't stop Z from taking him out of action more than once. Plus, Goku has gotten heavy screentime with all of the recruiting stuff as well. Vegeta needs to be his own character instead of just following whatever "Kakarroto" is doing all of the time. A drive to fighting until the end, without Goku being there with him on the battlefield, would say more than just assisting in whatever Goku is doing. If Goku gets eliminated, it'll be by some odd way, most likely. Vegeta going out early just seems really redundant, and even predictable, by now.

My what-if scenario (the final four) would make the tournament interesting, imo, and Goku will undoubtedly get the big moment anyway. If you feel that #17 will be there, switch him out with Freeza or Piccolo. I threw Piccolo in there because I would like him to stay in the picture as long as possible with Gohan -- he's another great character that doesn't get to do much in the way of fighting since mid-Cell arc. Gohan I'm betting on making it to the very end as he'd be, in-part, playing an extension of Goku's usual role in my what-if.

It's all just fun predictions anyway. No reason to shoot them down. :)

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Lapislettuce » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:11 pm

King Jacku wrote:
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King Jacku wrote:Personally I wouldn't be okay with it. Him, Gohan and Kuririn are pretty much the only ones in this Tourney that have something important to fight for (besides dying lol). Plus there's still many people I want to see him interact more with, like, Gohan, Hit, Freeza, Toppo.

I think it would be great if he tied with Hit and they both got knocked out at the same time.
False. Goku, 18, and 17 all have something fighting for as well. Problem is, outside of really Gohan, none of the others seem to be caring all that much regardless.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant people that gave a damn about the thing they're fighting for. You're totally right about 18 though, forgot about her.

17 blatantly said he doesn't care if him or his family was annihilated, shows how important they are to him. And we all know Goku loves fighting more than his family.
18 wasn't going to fight without money. then her daughter must mean crap to her.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Jigurashi » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:49 pm

King Jacku wrote:
Jigurashi wrote:
King Jacku wrote:Personally I wouldn't be okay with it. Him, Gohan and Kuririn are pretty much the only ones in this Tourney that have something important to fight for (besides dying lol). Plus there's still many people I want to see him interact more with, like, Gohan, Hit, Freeza, Toppo.

I think it would be great if he tied with Hit and they both got knocked out at the same time.
False. Goku, 18, and 17 all have something fighting for as well. Problem is, outside of really Gohan, none of the others seem to be caring all that much regardless.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant people that gave a damn about the thing they're fighting for. You're totally right about 18 though, forgot about her.

17 blatantly said he doesn't care if him or his family was annihilated, shows how important they are to him. And we all know Goku loves fighting more than his family.
I get what you're saying, but I'm saying you're wrong on that. Vegeta has hardly shown any care whatsoever. He shows little more care than Goku. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Gohan at all. Gohan is the only one of the team still in the arena that's truly showing any care for the stakes. Don't know why some people (and not just you) seem to think Vegeta somehow truly cares when he's barely shown that at all.

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Mercenary » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:19 pm

Jigurashi wrote:
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Jigurashi wrote: False. Goku, 18, and 17 all have something fighting for as well. Problem is, outside of really Gohan, none of the others seem to be caring all that much regardless.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant people that gave a damn about the thing they're fighting for. You're totally right about 18 though, forgot about her.

17 blatantly said he doesn't care if him or his family was annihilated, shows how important they are to him. And we all know Goku loves fighting more than his family.
I get what you're saying, but I'm saying you're wrong on that. Vegeta has hardly shown any care whatsoever. He shows little more care than Goku. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Gohan at all. Gohan is the only one of the team still in the arena that's truly showing any care for the stakes. Don't know why some people (and not just you) seem to think Vegeta somehow truly cares when he's barely shown that at all.

Yeah, surely Vegeta doesn't give a damn. Let me just copy-paste some comment from gamefaqs, written by "Vegeta-Sama".

Just alone in Super here some facts about Geets and his Family:

- He was going to the Park as promised to Trunks

- He goes Madman after Beerus slaps Bulma

- Trains Future Trunks

- Compliments Bulma for the food for the ppl in the future

- Sacrifices for Little Trunks in the Holy Water episodes.

- Sacrifices his live for F Trunks to Merged Zamasus beam attack

- Father/Son Galick Gun nuff said

- His Goodbye to Future Trunks

- Thinks all the time about Bulma while pregnant

- Refuses to train and compete for the ToP bc Bulma is pregnant.

- He wanted a true sayin Name for Bulla but at the end he accepted the Name with smile.

I bet I forgot a couple.
Vegeta become just a Man who cares now more about his family than fighting.



Also, he gave Bulma that caring look before leaving and wanted to finish off Black mostly because of what he has done to Future Bulma ( he killed her obviously).

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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Basako » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:27 pm

Eliminating a big one would add tension. Goku can't be, and between Gohan, Freeza and Vegeta, has to be Vegeta, he has had enough in Super, it's time for others now.

But I don't think he is getting out yet. I'd like it if someone unexpected like Ten, Roshi or 18 would last long.
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Re: Why it's okay for Vegeta to get eliminated early.

Post by Dragonballgod19 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:32 pm

Do people not know how unrealistic it is for a god tier character who is the second strongest on his team to lose that early and I'm pretty sure vegeta not jobbing that early in the tournament

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