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Post by Drunken Master » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:00 pm

To quote Kid Goku..."Now it's my turn!"
Xyex wrote: Except that I don't want to sit through a BILLION battles just to get through the the DB saga of the game so I can fight five billion more to get through the DBZ arc of the game.
Why not? That's getting your moneys worth, and I like long games. I want as many battles as possible.
Xyex wrote:Thus, Kid Krillin's ONLY BATTLE in the story mode of the game is as an opponent to Goku.
So says you. Did Raditz fight Piccolo when they first encountered each other? No, but there was a fight from that scene in the game, thus Kid Krillin won't have one battle. That's what they do. Again, he fought Jackie Chun, Kid Goku, General Blue, Choutzu, and will have a battle against Tambourine most likely.
Xyex wrote:BT2 already has enough pointless battles you're required to fight to progress the story. We don't need more.
Again, I want my 45-50$ to be worth it. The longer the game, the better. It's not like the story mode has any replay value, so they need to make it as long as possible.
Xyex wrote:Or they could do the smart thing and have Kid Goku fight Blue by himself! It's not like Krillin even really added anything to that battle.
Again, that's not how they work. Are they going to just show a screen where Kid Krillin is beat up when Goku saves him? No, they're going to make Kid Krillin fight Blue, because he did. Kid Krillin loses, and Goku comes in to save the day. Did Vegeta do anything to Kid Buu? No, they still made a fight with it though.
Xyex wrote:Actually, she got beat by a 'force blast'. That's ki, not wind. Just pushed out in a loose fashion that you can't see it. 8)
No, she got beat by the wind that Goku punched. And I quote from Roshi - "I'd guess he punched the air with such tremendous force...that he created a shockwave that blew the girl away before she had the chance to dodge it."
Xyex wrote:Meanwhile Kid Krillin has.... the ability to punch, kick, and use (very poorly) the Kamehameha..... like everyone else Roshi's trained. Yeah, very unique. :roll: Kid Krillin would have nothing but generic moves because he had nothing but generic moves in the series.
That was the first time he used the kamehameha, and it was way better than Goku's first time. He was tricky when he was little, and they'd go off of that. Like he could throw a dirty magazine on the ground then attack, he could blind someone with his bald head, and do a kamehameha, and he actually has a style of fighting so they can actually make a character out of him. Now Seripa, heh...She didn't fight anything, no kicks, no punches, no nothing.
Xyex wrote:Yeah. Sure. Krillin's important. And he's in the game. Kid Krillin's most important thing, ever, was getting killed by Tambourine.
Hmm, so why is Grandpa Gohan in the game?
Xyex wrote:Because 8's the shit. 8's been demanded for a loooong ass time. No one wanted Kid Krillin until BT3 came along. Plus, 8 kicks fucking ass in The Path to Power and finishes up the canon Android cast.
That's ridiculous. Did you just make that up? I would love to know who demanded Android #8 for such a loooong time. It's kinda contradicting when you say Kid Krillin had no role and no fights when you say the exact opposite for Android #8. Kid Krillin was in two world tournaments. Android #8 punched people.
Xyex wrote:What!? :lol: Kid Krillin over Akkuman? Adding a unqiue looking and fighting character over yet another generic duplicate that sucks
Ahh...you want him because he looks unique? Kid Krillin fought way more than him, and Kid Krillin is no duplicate.
Xyex wrote:And Kid Krillin simply lacks importance. I just don't see what all this fuss is over. He's a smaller version of Krillin that can't fly and has sucky moves.
Kid Krillin was a MAIN character as soon as he was introduced from the time he grew until his "Kid" status wore off at the 23rd tournament. How is that lacking importance? Smaller, can't fly, sucky moves...hmm, kinda sounds like Kid Goku. That's not enough to not include him in the game.
Xyex wrote:Untrue! She helped Bardock wipe out Kanassa! Seriously, she's just fucking bad-ass and that's all there is to it. And, since you brought the matter up earlier, she's way stronger. 8)
Yes, she helped Bardock kill them as an ape, as in mouth blast here, stomp here, another mouth blast, and the end. They camped out, and that's pretty much the last time we see of her, well of course...there's her crispy corpse we get to see. ;)
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Okay, I'm done. No need for all this quoting, all I'm saying is that Kid Krillin needs to be in the game, and he will be. It might not be this one, but it will be the next one if he isn't. He was in two world tournaments, and Baba's tournament. He's a main character along with Kid Goku, and even dies when he's a kid. He has enough attacks and techniques to easily make him a character. I'm not a Seripa hater, it's just that she did nothing but die, and they added her because she has boobs. Zangya was pretty awesome, but she actually fought. The more characters the better, so why complain? What did Akkuman do? Was he Baba's last resort? I forgot that whole tournament. Who fought him, how did he die? Also, just saw the vid with Kid Goku moves, I'm glad they made Kid Goku a bit better than in B2, he was really lacking.
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Post by Xyex » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:16 pm

Why not? That's getting your moneys worth, and I like long games. I want as many battles as possible.
MY idea of my money's worth from a game is obviously a lot more narrow than yours. Fighting the SAME battle 100 times with the only difference being the voices I'm hearing does not constitute my money's worth to me. Maybe you don't mind fighting a hundred dull battles, a thousand tedious battles, and then one good fight, and repeating it fifty times over. But I do. That's not fun. That's stretching the game well beyond the needed just to make it long for the sake of long.

No, I'm not against long. Hell, I've played more than 200 hours of DragonQuest 8. I've got more than a hundred hours logged in FFX and FFXII each. I've got 40+ hours in both Naruto: Ultimate and Soul Calibur 2. I just don't like it when a game pointless adds fluff to simulate true length. Which is what you're suggesting is done.
So says you.
Yep, so says me and my hate of fluff.
Did Raditz fight Piccolo when they first encountered each other?
Yes. It was short. One and a half energy blasts. But it was still a fight. Of course, the game match is still fluff reguardless.
That's what they do. Again, he fought Jackie Chun, Kid Goku, General Blue, Choutzu, and will have a battle against Tambourine most likely.
Kid Krillin Vs. Jackie Chan, General Blue, Chaotzu, and especially Tambourine = Fluff.
Again, I want my 45-50$ to be worth it. The longer the game, the better. It's not like the story mode has any replay value, so they need to make it as long as possible.
Length =/= value. Quality = value. And the same match five different ways, or throwing in matches that aren't important (we know Krillin beats Chaotzu, we know Piccolo had a face down with Raditz, we know 18 threw her fight against Hercule) does not add quality. It adds fluff. And fluff reduces the value of a game.
Again, that's not how they work. Are they going to just show a screen where Kid Krillin is beat up when Goku saves him? No, they're going to make Kid Krillin fight Blue, because he did. Kid Krillin loses, and Goku comes in to save the day. Did Vegeta do anything to Kid Buu? No, they still made a fight with it though.
Your comparison with Buu and Vegeta fails. Vegeta stalled Buu for the purpose of Goku regaining strength/forming the Spirit Bomb. Kid Krillin just got his ass kicked for the purpose of getting his ass kicked so that Goku could save him. :?
Hmm, so why is Grandpa Gohan in the game?
Fan demand well prior to his inclusion.
That's ridiculous. Did you just make that up? I would love to know who demanded Android #8 for such a loooong time.
Oh, I don't know. Here, there, a few places. I've seen people going "We need #8 to complete the Androids!" since Budokai 2. However, this is the first I've seen anyone asking for Kid Krillin.
It's kinda contradicting when you say Kid Krillin had no role and no fights when you say the exact opposite for Android #8. Kid Krillin was in two world tournaments. Android #8 punched people.
Point out where I said #8 had a role and fights? Yeah, you can't, cause I didn't. So don't say I did. Thank-you.

What I did say was "8 kicks fucking ass in The Path to Power and finishes up the canon Android cast." Which is a long cry from what you claim I said. 8)
Ahh...you want him because he looks unique? Kid Krillin fought way more than him, and Kid Krillin is no duplicate.
I like him being added because he IS unique. Face it, we're talking about SPIKE here. Kid Krillin would get Full Power Rush, that teleport rush move, and the Kamehameha wave as moves and that's it. He'd be a crappier version of Goku, or a shorter version of Videl that can't fly but can use the Kamehameha.

Akkuman is unique in design. Unique in moves. Unique in voice. Unique is good.

And Kid Krillin IS a duplicate. Or... did they remove Z Krillin and only you found out?

Anyway, I could go into this more but I don't want to. I really don't want this thread getting locked over this. I put way to damn much work into the first post to get the thread locked. So we'll just agree that we've got vastly different views on this.

As I've said, I'm not really against him being in. I just don't think he'd be worth it to be added. Maybe Spike will suprise me but I wont hold my breath.
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Post by TripleRach » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:55 pm

This Kuririn argument really has run its course, so can it, you know, stop? I like this thread. :?
What did Akkuman do? Was he Baba's last resort? I forgot that whole tournament. Who fought him, how did he die?
He was the fourth fighter (of five). Gokuu, the only good guy yet to be eliminated, fought him, and there was a lot of fuss over his Akumaito Kousen pretty much being an instant death move, but luckily, Gokuu was immune to it and kicked his ass. I believe the anime gave him more of a background and said he was a former Budoukai competitor, which I think led to a filler scene of him being killed in the Piccolo arc.
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:48 pm

TripleRach wrote:I believe the anime gave him more of a background and said he was a former Budoukai competitor, which I think led to a filler scene of him being killed in the Piccolo arc.
That was in the manga, the part about him having won the Budokai.

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Post by The Justice » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:18 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I have absolutely no problem locking yet another Sparking! METEOR thread and simply disallowing any further ones.

But I tried to make it stop.

Then again with the way things are going, I bet next time a character gets confirmed, it will be Kid Krillin and everyone will be fighting and shouting over I don't know.....um ....... "HEY WHERE'S GT GRANDMA PAN!!??!!"
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Post by Bomber Greek » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:46 pm

The only people that are extremely necessary are the important Dragon Ball characters. I also mean younger versions of current human characters, who can't fly earlier in the series.

I really wish though that the people that can't fly won't just wobble in the air. it takes up a lot of charging time and stuff. I think it would be cool if they could run and jump really far and high.

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Post by Leotaku » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:54 pm

gohanku wrote:And for something interesting, is Goku doing his spinning arm attack on Nam? So Kid Goku going to have some better attack now...
Actually, I THINK he already had that before. It was part of his throw move.

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Post by Slickmasterfunk » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:36 pm

I think Akkuman even made a brief anime appearance raising his arm when Goku was collecting energy for his Genki Dama for use against Buu.

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Post by TripleRach » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:36 pm

Rocketman wrote:
TripleRach wrote:I believe the anime gave him more of a background and said he was a former Budoukai competitor, which I think led to a filler scene of him being killed in the Piccolo arc.
That was in the manga, the part about him having won the Budokai.
Wow, you're right. I don't know how I forgot or missed that.

EDIT: I think I may have been imagining the part about him being killed by Tambourine, too. I must be getting senile.
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Post by Magica » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:00 pm

If I'm way late on this then I'm sorry. The topic's a bit tl;dr for me to check.

Listing for BT3 on Gamestop: http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=230116

This was listed on the same page. Some poll I guess.: http://www.dragonballz.com/poll/fight/fightpoll.cfm

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Post by Drunken Master » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:04 pm

I don't know why they don't do this, I mean...do we always love being the good guys? It doesn't make sense sometimes, as in fight Raditz with Piccolo only to lose in the end, when you actually won. Why can't we play as the victor of every battle? Like when Tenshinhan, Piccolo and Krillin fight the saibamen, we'd play as them, but when they fight Nappa, we play as him. It would be more versatile. I mean, could you image playing as Broly as you crush all the warriors one by one?
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Post by TripleRach » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:11 pm

That sounds like it's just a poll to pick fights from the anime to include as some sort of video extra if you buy the game at Gamestop.
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Post by Xyex » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:40 pm

TripleRach wrote:That sounds like it's just a poll to pick fights from the anime to include as some sort of video extra if you buy the game at Gamestop.
Yeah, nothing to do with the game itself. It's just a top ten battles to put to on a DVD as a bonus for the game thing.
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Post by The S » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:52 pm

That poll is all sorts of stupid. Baby Gohan vs. Vegito? Jesus... give me a break.
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Post by Rocketman » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:54 pm

The S wrote:That poll is all sorts of stupid. Baby Gohan vs. Vegito? Jesus... give me a break.
I'd watch it.

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Post by Adamant » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:26 am

What's up with these guys not managing to spell their own dub name for Freeza right, again? There's a "Freiza's Spaceship" area in BT2 as well.

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Post by Neon Z » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:26 am

It doesn't make sense sometimes, as in fight Raditz with Piccolo only to lose in the end, when you actually won. Why can't we play as the victor of every battle? Like when Tenshinhan, Piccolo and Krillin fight the saibamen, we'd play as them, but when they fight Nappa, we play as him. It would be more versatile.
They seem to have fixed the "winning with the loser" problem by actually letting the loser win, if a character wins a battle he was supposed to lose.

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Post by Prince Vegeta » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:22 am

Did anyone see the Krillin VS Bacterian fight on the list?Does that mean Bacterian is in the game? :P
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Post by Furu » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:23 am

I think we can all agree that the Sparking series has its good points and bad points, just like every Dragonball game series out there, but in the end the quality is completely subjective (unlike, say, legitimately terrible games like Sagas) and a heated argument repeating the same five or six points on both sides lasting multiple pages isn't going to get this thread anywhere but locked.
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Post by gohanku » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:36 am

Wait Krillin vs Bacterian? So does that mean Kid Krillian and Bacterian will be in the game? Nice. Just need Blue, Chi Chi and maybe a REAL Eis Shenron, alternate Nouva is not good enough!
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