Will Dragon Ball ever get a true 100% reanimation?

[FortuneSSJ]

A remake of DB and DBZ?! Not now because we are having new material, but one day it can happen. It should happen.

No matter how cool they look, DB/DBZ are outdated and a remake that makes the show feel like it was done in this era would bring another new generation in.
Both really don't hold up well and saying the original is there for everyone to see it is naive, because most kids won't bother to look for a 20+ year old show when they have better looking stuff coming out. I gave this example on another thread but it's like have kids play a PS2 game when they already had a taste of a PS4 game.

[MaskedRider]

Honestly, I prefer them not to. Granted if they did we would still have the originals but I think the old art of DB and Z are to be appreciated

[TheBigBoy]

It's not necessary but high quality feature length retellings of story arcs would be awesome.

[JulieYBM]

I want to see Kamatani Haruka direct a remake series, just to see what she'd pull off if given the creative freedom to do as she pleases. She seems like she can offer a more vivid visual image than what Okazaki and Nishio did for their series.

[Trickster]

So do any of you think DBZ will ever be reanimated in the near future? I think no because Toei is cheap and have terrible business ethic. But what do you all think?

Basically, this is it. In fact, I don't see any animator nowadays who can make a real good work following Boo Saga's artstyle, which is the most perfect one. And Shunsuke Kikuchi would have to come back to the score.

[sintzu]

I gave this example on another thread but it's like have kids play a PS2 game when they already had a taste of a PS4 game.

I never thought of it like that but it's a good point. That example can work in old DB's favor though, would you rather play a Ps4 game that looks good but doesn't play well or the opposite with a Ps2 game ?

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

They had a chance to reanimate it for Kai but they dropped the ball on that one. At this point, I don't think so.

[FortuneSSJ]

I gave this example on another thread but it's like have kids play a PS2 game when they already had a taste of a PS4 game.

I never thought of it like that but it's a good point. That example can work in old DB's favor though, would you rather play a Ps4 game that looks good but doesn't play well or the opposite with a Ps2 game ?

I would rather play the PS2 game because graphics are not everything, but kids don't think like that and they are the main target demographic. For them better graphics = better game.
A PS2 game can still be a better game than a PS4 game, but it's graphics will always be inferior and there's where I was coming from.

Another example is comparing a old black and white movie with a movie in color and ask to nowadays audience which one they find more appealing. Barely anyone will vote for the black and white movie because it's outdated.

[ABED]

I gave this example on another thread but it's like have kids play a PS2 game when they already had a taste of a PS4 game.

I never thought of it like that but it's a good point. That example can work in old DB's favor though, would you rather play a Ps4 game that looks good but doesn't play well or the opposite with a Ps2 game ?

I would rather play the PS2 game because graphics are not everything, but kids don't think like that and they are the main target demographic. For them better graphics = better game.
A PS2 game can still be a better game than a PS4 game, but it's graphics will always be inferior and there's where I was coming from.

Another example is comparing a old black and white movie with a movie in color and ask to nowadays audience which one they find more appealing. Barely anyone will vote for the black and white movie because it's outdated.

Yeah, but that just says many people have irrational preferences. I prefer color, but that doesn't mean I prefer every color movie to every black and white film. The same with video games. Better graphics hardly equals better game. I can think of numerous Super Nintendo games I prefer to anything on Sony's Playstation consoles. Even to kids, newer isn't always better. The look of the animation isn't the be all, end all. Even for kids, they don't just respond to how new it looks. I loved those Fleisher Superman cartoons even as a kid. Batman the Animated Series was designed as a throwback and even in 92 it looked dated, but kids loved that show. You give children a story they respond to, the visuals won't matter as much.

[LuckyCat]

I don't think you should ever remake something if a good version exists. That's one of the reasons why you don't see remakes of Citizen Kane or Dr. Strangelove (*gasp* black and white films!). You're just pouring resources into something that's been done elegantly by people with fresh creative visions.

I guess one question for people to ask themselves is, is the current release of Dragonball really that bad? We have the original anime which is good, we have the 10th anniversary special which is a souped up version of early Dragon Ball. And of course, there's Dragon Ball Kai. What would a remake bring to the table that these other releases haven't done? If your answer is better animation and artwork, I think it might be one of those "be careful what you wish for" scenarios.

[8000 Saiyan]

It's not really necessary and it'd be a waste of money.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's not necessary. We have genuine new material now, old Dragon Ball is done and dusted the home video market for long running shonen shows is not big in Japan so who would exactly be the market for this? Kai was the opportunity to to but that boat sailed long ago and they ain't going to get that opportunity ever again.
It's funny you say they have terrible business ethic whereas going back and reanimating DB would just be that it would be a waste of resources and isn't needed plus with Super and it's gigantic success they'd be also completing with themselves which would not be smart at all...

As long as there's money to be made the option will always be on the table, Dragon Ball Z is one of the most popular shows in pop culture history, the market will always be there. Whether it be Japanese or the International market, a newly animated Dragon Ball Z would open the door to wealth of new fans. Even for those who have already watched DBZ before, it would be a totally new experience as the JUMP in visual fidelity is worth the watch alone if particularly done right. Take the DBZ:Ultimate Tenkaichi opening as a illustration of a reanimated DBZ product done right or decently enough; consistent art, all new good soundtrack, occasionally well directed episodes, and a good amount nicely animated scenes here and there; not One Punch Man quality, but overall nicely animated on a least the key parts of the story.

Furthermore, I don't see how they would be competing against themselves its all made under the same banner, the money will be theirs regardless. It's like saying Toei can't make a new anime series, since it will be competeing against their other series. In essence it will, but Toei will make sure each one of their anime properties will build and support off each other, like how they did with Battle of Gods pre-sale collaboration with the One Piece Film Z.Additionally, there poor business ethic has been well documented current example; Dragon Ball Super, prior expamples; Toriko, One Piece, Dragon Ball Kai and Kai 2.0, and World Trigger, etc.

We have been exposed to DBZ so many times since it ended very little people are going to be excited to revisit Z again just because it has a new coat of paint. There is a reason why re-animated Z has only happened within other products like video games or stuff like the Resurrection "F" special, and it is completely different to competing with different series as different series have their own fanbase and audience FUNimation is prime example of this as they over flooded the market with DB by treating Kai and Z separately and what happened? Z Level sets sold atrociously and ended up getting cancelled, that is what I mean by competiting with yourself. Super is the now product and it is what everyone is invested it people are not gonna care about about watching Goku fight Freeza on Namek again when you literally have new material, as long as Super is a thing it is foolish to do anything with the other DB series, there is a reason why FUNimation released all of Buu Kai in the span of 3 months before they released Super it would get swallowed up and do poorly if they started releasing it alongside.

Kai was the opportunity to do a re-animation but Toei didn't and there is simpy isn't gonna be that opportunity again at least for the foreseeable future, Kai has already been marketed as the "refreshed" version of Z they won't be able to pull that off again.

[KBABZ]

I don't really buy the "because it's outdated" argument because that will eventually apply to Super as well, and in ten years we'd be asking for a remake of Super because it isn't in 4K3D with ScentSense compatability or whatever. Aside from being in 4:3 and, for the Japanese, having bad audio quality, there really isn't much of a reason to remake Dragon Ball, and Kai brought the most important part, the Z era, to HD with better audio.

Let's assume you're going to do a filler-less version of the story and wind up with 239 episodes for both eras (80 for Dragon Ball and 159 for Z, using DB Recut and Kai for numbers). That is a ludicrous amount of episodes to put your faith into, and if you do it chronologically, it's still a very long time for you to put faith in your audience to make it up to the "good" part. Super has only just crossed 100 episodes, but there was no guarantee that they'd ever get that far when they started. If the remake isn't successful, then you wind up with a disjointed stop-start production mess like Kai wound up being.

[emperior]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFW8JQ9W0AEVtQK.jpg:large

I would love to see a remake of Dragon Ball like this, though I would prefer if they used the manga colors.

[sintzu]

Let's assume you're going to do a filler-less version of the story and wind up with 239 episodes for both eras.

It's a very long time for you to put faith in your audience to make it up to the "good" part.

It would probably end up being a lot less if they follow the manga panel for panel.

This would be a major risk cause a lot of people don't give DB a chance and just think it's Goku's unimportant kid adventures.

[KBABZ]

It would probably end up being a lot less if they follow the manga panel for panel.

Yeah, although in my editing of Dragon Ball for T1C I've found that not all padding is useless; a character reaction here and a wide shot there can greatly help the pacing and an audience's perception of events. This particularly applies to the fights; while in the manga you can stop at any time to study a panel and read at your own pace, in a video you have to assume the audience won't pause, and thus you have to give adequate coverage of things to make sure the audience knows what is even happening.

This would be a major risk cause a lot of people don't give DB a chance and just think it's Goku's unimportant kid adventures.

An unfortunate truth to be sure. While it can be argued that the Red Ribbon Arc and the 21st WMAT are unimportant on some level (screw Korin, apparently), King Piccolo and the 23rd WMAT are SO important to DBZ, in particular to Piccolo's character arc leading into Z and his redemption by way of Gohan. In general too it really helps supplement Goku and make the audience realize that he does really care about planet Earth and not just fighting the next villain, not to mention give more screentime for characters like Korin, Yajirobe, Master Roshi, Puar, Oolong and Kami, and show their relationship with Goku and the other characters.

Kid Goku is also a far more charming character than adult Goku is, at least to me. I also enjoy DB's focus on straight-up martial arts for most of its run rather than relying on ki spam, powerups and general punches and kicks like DBZ does. You also get a much wider feel for the world at large in DB, whereas in DBZ the fighting is often so dramatic that there's no time to pull back a bit and show us what certain locations and settings are like. I feel like I know a lot more about the land of Korin than I do about, say, Namek, or the island where 19 and 20 show up.

[Super Sayian Prime]

I think a reboot/relaunch/remake/re-imagining/retelling/re-whatever is inevitable. Toei had no issue with doing that for Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya. It's just that right now it's far more profitable to make new Dragon Ball material than it is to sell a story you already know. That won't always be the case, though.

What's more to boot it took almost 20 years for an HD remaster of it, yet Naruto gets one in half that time an actual true remaster, not some type shit you can do in on your TV settings with Kai.

I think that's kind of a silly thing to bring up. HD televisions weren't common place in the 90s or early 2000s. They were around the time Kai debuted. It would be a better comparison if Naruto was already entering the world of 4K.

[KBABZ]

I think a reboot/relaunch/remake/re-imagining/retelling/re-whatever is inevitable. Toei had no issue with doing that for Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya.

I can't speak for Saint Seija, but isn't Sailor Moon a much smaller story than Dragon Ball?

[sintzu]

Isn't Sailor Moon a much smaller story than Dragon Ball?

Wikipedia has it 52 chapters. I'm not sure if they're short weekly chapters like DB or long monthly ones. Regardless, it's a lot shorter than DB.

[PeanutSaiyan]

It could be awesome, but not now. Absolutely not. The studios animating/writing modern DB need to stay far the fuck away from even thinking about it. But in the hands of a good production schedule, budget, and professionals who are actually fans of the series? Hell yes.