"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LowRyder2005]

Not even close
Manga:
-making trunks useless in his own arc
-bring back ssg when it was confirmed to be a temporary form
-goku knows hakai(this was actually just retarded)
-goku is as strong as merged zamasu when goku did in the anime was stupid but nowhere near as bad what the manga literally just did
-future trunks is Sakura in the manga
-future trunks reaction to his universe blowing up is unrealistic it was done better in the anime
-vegeta vs cabba and vegeta vs magetta was actually done so much better in the anime
-nerfs hit and merged zamasu
By the way I can keep going

1. AKA not making Trunks stupidly powerful for absolutely zero reason.
2. Huurr durrr, yes, by the shitty anime.
3. Not as retarded as how Trunks beat Zamasu in the anime though.
4. The anime was just as bad, if not worse. At least the manga tried to explain, Toei just didn't care.
5. Not an actual complaint. Would you like me to point out how smoke grenades and sniper rifles can apparently affect gods?
6. Lol, no it wasn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
7. Eh, kind of.
8. Boo-hoo, cry me river. No godtier Hit? Oh the humanity.

Go on, and I'll counter every single last one.

Basically, the people who hate the manga are mostly upset that their favorite characters (Hit or Trunks) aren't given brain-dead power ups just for the sake of it.

It you honestly believe that terrible Toei-only transformation is good, then I don't know what else to say to that. It was hilariously bad.

Make sure that next time you "counter" him, you use valid points and examples instead of saying "hurr durr" and trying to pass off your subjective views as objective.

Given how subjective the supposed list of "bad stuff" they were presented with was, I'd say that type of grumpy answer was not exactly unwarranted.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If they do bring God back, it would be the best time to mention that Goku and Vegeta have been turning it's power on and off in base for a while, but only when fully using it's power do they actually turn Red. It could reconciliate the "Beyond God" base, below Piccolo base and SSG itself. Basically give us the manga progression, but with another black haired form in between 3 and God. Would solve most problems with the power scale, be a fair bit of fan service and make sense in universe.

Hell, if they're smart they can say that Goku and Vegeta don't use it because it still has the time limit, so using lesser forms when the opponent is not up to par, or Blue when they have a god level foe also gets explained. Or simply that Goku has mastered the God power recently and now can fully activate it in base, use Blue with Kaioken without much problems and hint at the new form.

They can make this work, now that I think about it more and since it's my favorite form I'm not opposed to see more of it, but they have to do it tastefuly.
If it's not a typo, of course.

@bold. You know what I would be happy with either of these to be honest, especially the first as that would explain everything and why it suddenly appears in now and hadn't done since BoG arc. But then the problem that arises is why hasn't Goku used SSG in the arc so far and at the ToP when he has used it SSGSS three time already? I guess if the Dypso and Hit thing is anything to go one they could explain it as a speed thing instead of power but then that leads into the issue of why Goku didn't use it vs Hit in the Champa arc? Unless it is second of your explanations with Goku fully mastering everything than that would work. Idk all I know is I am glad I ain't a writer. But ultimately knowing Toei/Toriyama and their habits of leaving things relatively unexplained I am kind of not expecting anything the way of anything close to a satisfying explanation.

[Noah]

This SSG is an error, otherwise is nonsense.

How so? And why people are getting mad because of it? I mean is this the same series who had that non sense Trunks power-up/transformation to make him able to keep up with Black and Merged Zamasu? Seriously Goku using SSJ God again is nothing compared to what we saw before.

[Draconic]

If they do bring God back, it would be the best time to mention that Goku and Vegeta have been turning it's power on and off in base for a while, but only when fully using it's power do they actually turn Red. It could reconciliate the "Beyond God" base, below Piccolo base and SSG itself. Basically give us the manga progression, but with another black haired form in between 3 and God. Would solve most problems with the power scale, be a fair bit of fan service and make sense in universe.

Hell, if they're smart they can say that Goku and Vegeta don't use it because it still has the time limit, so using lesser forms when the opponent is not up to par, or Blue when they have a god level foe also gets explained. Or simply that Goku has mastered the God power recently and now can fully activate it in base, use Blue with Kaioken without much problems and hint at the new form.

They can make this work, now that I think about it more and since it's my favorite form I'm not opposed to see more of it, but they have to do it tastefuly.
If it's not a typo, of course.

Ah the dream of some people having the 2 base theory actually be a thing,nothing of what you suggest does anything of value but please those that want the 2 base thing be a thing.
They do not care about the power scale,writers have different opinions of where they think each character stands in power,simple as that.

Dude, I'm one of the biggest two base detractors on this forum. I'm just saying that if they want to bring God back tying it to the two bases is the best way to do it, because otherwise you have Goku in a weak base, a very strong base and God, so whatever that RoF base is will never make sense again.

[Whatever]

If they do bring God back, it would be the best time to mention that Goku and Vegeta have been turning it's power on and off in base for a while, but only when fully using it's power do they actually turn Red. It could reconciliate the "Beyond God" base, below Piccolo base and SSG itself. Basically give us the manga progression, but with another black haired form in between 3 and God. Would solve most problems with the power scale, be a fair bit of fan service and make sense in universe.

Hell, if they're smart they can say that Goku and Vegeta don't use it because it still has the time limit, so using lesser forms when the opponent is not up to par, or Blue when they have a god level foe also gets explained. Or simply that Goku has mastered the God power recently and now can fully activate it in base, use Blue with Kaioken without much problems and hint at the new form.

They can make this work, now that I think about it more and since it's my favorite form I'm not opposed to see more of it, but they have to do it tastefuly.
If it's not a typo, of course.

Ah the dream of some people having the 2 base theory actually be a thing,nothing of what you suggest does anything of value but please those that want the 2 base thing be a thing.
They do not care about the power scale,writers have different opinions of where they think each character stands in power,simple as that.

Dude, I'm one of the biggest two base detractors on this forum. I'm just saying that if they want to bring God back tying it to the two bases is the best way to do it, because otherwise you have Goku in a weak base, a very strong base and God, so whatever that RoF base is will never make sense again.

The whole reason it does not make any sense is for the same reason we have power level debates,different people or rather writers have their own opinions on how strong each character is.
The thing is do you think Toei/Toriyama/Toyo would do something that complicated in a kids show without telling us even once so far?

[zamasu121]

This SSG is an error, otherwise is nonsense.

How so? And why people are getting mad because of it? I mean is this the same series who had that non sense Trunks power-up/transformation to make him able to keep up with Black and Merged Zamasu? Seriously Goku using SSJ God again is nothing compared to what we saw before.

yeah i don't get it either. Goku going ssg is dumb, but there have been many moments that were far worse than that in the series.

[Kanassa]

I more interested in the mention of Gohan getting some guy's rock pedant. Is it something significant we were told about before? Is it the source of the guy's power or something?

[TheSaiyanGod]

Is that serious? Really have people who think the SSG is a '' True God '' and the SSB is an SSJ with a Ki of a God? This has never been mentioned in the series and does not even make sense.

The initial name of the SSB was Super Saiyajin GOD Super Saiyan. With that alone, we can already make several conclusions.
Also we have scans there from the time of the film FNF, in which it was said that with SSB, Goku had finally entered the world of Super Saiyans Gods.

Whis also says that the characteristic of a God is not to have his Ki felt mortal. And when Goku became SSB, no one could feel his Ki.

It is obvious that SSB is a form superior to SSG and is also a deity

[Boo Machine]

I more interested in the mention of Gohan getting some guy's rock pedant. Is it something significant we were told about before? Is it the source of the guy's power or something?

Doesnt' the spoiler say it's the fighters locket? if so then it probably contains a picture of his loved ones. Something for Gohan to feel bad over while he destroys U10. Thus why the title for the episode is something like "Harden your heart" or "Be ruthless"

[Zamasu55]

Remember when people said Ribrianne and the others were gonna fuse?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Better look at the Ichiban Kuji Prize SSGSS Goku vs Jiren art:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Expecting big things from this fight whilst at the same time preparing myself to be wary...

[precita]

I really hope the final match of the tournament isn't just Goku Vs. Jiren. It's just way too predictable and not that exciting. Hopefully Goku gets knocked out and Gohan is the last one standing or something.

[Alruneia]

Remember when people said Ribrianne and the others were gonna fuse?

And when Kale's name was Kelly?

At this point it's perfectly okay to think that them writing "Super Saiyan God" was an error. It would not be the first time. So let's wait for the episode to air before we go off the rails.

[Jigurashi]

Better look at the Ichiban Kuji Prize SSGSS Goku vs Jiren art:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Expecting big things from this fight whilst at the same time preparing myself to be wary...

I have high hopes and expectations for this fight considering how hard and long they've been hyping it. I do believe it'll be a good fight. Whether it takes place at the end of the tournament or not is another matter. Don't care when it does as long as it's satisfying. With that said, the fact Goku is very likely getting a new form and will (presumably) need it to fight Jiren, I'm willing to bet this fight is going to take place either near the end of the tournament as one of the last fights or the final fight.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Better look at the Ichiban Kuji Prize SSGSS Goku vs Jiren art:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Expecting big things from this fight whilst at the same time preparing myself to be wary...

I have high hopes and expectations for this fight considering how hard and long they've been hyping it. I do believe it'll be a good fight. Whether it takes place at the end of the tournament or not is another matter. Don't care when it does as long as it's satisfying. With that said, the fact Goku is very likely getting a new form and will (presumably) need it to fight Jiren, I'm willing to bet this fight is going to take place either near the end of the tournament as one of the last fights or the final fight.

When Goku and Jiren start fighting I think it will be the final act of the tournament. Right now given the Grand Priests comments we are in the second act and once U10 go that will be 6 universes left and I think we'll get to the final act when their will be around 3/4 left.

If I am honest, I was kind of hoping Goku and Jiren would start fighting off the bat but the catch would be the fight would keep getting interrupted until the final act when most of the field is clear and then they can go all out.

[Shinda Forever]

Can't wait to see Hit get his ass handed to him. If dyspo truly dysposes of him then hit doesn't stant a chance vs toppo let alone jiren.

You are right, if Hitto can't even beat Dyspo without Goku's help, he is not a major player in the tournament and U6 is doomed.
Well, if this is really true, it means that Hitto is just another bum in the park.

[Noah]

Can't wait to see Hit get his ass handed to him. If dyspo truly dysposes of him then hit doesn't stant a chance vs toppo let alone jiren.

Please, like Hit would be defeated by a guy who needed his pals to defeat some random monster in their universe. Things will probably go like this: Dyspo displays some feats, Hit compliments him, give Dyspo the false sensation of advantage and then Hit laughs and finishes him with ease.

The only guy that I can see defeating Hit is either Vegeta or Jiren.

[omaro34]

Anybody know when we're having a week break? I obviously don't want this to happen, but we've been blessed with no breaks for months now. I love it. Just curious though.

[RedHeat]

Anybody know when we're having a week break? I obviously don't want this to happen, but we've been blessed with no breaks for months now. I love it. Just curious though.

September 10th.

[Jigurashi]

Can't wait to see Hit get his ass handed to him. If dyspo truly dysposes of him then hit doesn't stant a chance vs toppo let alone jiren.

Please, like Hit would be defeated by a guy who needed his pals to defeat some random monster in their universe. Things will probably go like this: Dyspo displays some feats, Hit compliments him, give Dyspo the false sensation of advantage and then Hit laughs and finishes him with ease.

The only guy that I can see defeating Hit is either Vegeta or Jiren.

Not likely. The summaries mention Dyspo has a one-sided advantage until Goku shows up. Far likelier Dyspo legit pressures Hitto to the point Hitto is using real effort to fight him. Summaries also mentions how Dyspo manages to defeat/neutralize the Tokitobashi. I don't see Dyspo defeating Hitto but lol I also don't see Hitto defeating him with ease either. No reason to mention a one-sided fight in Dyspo's favor if Hitto could just easily wreck him.