Has Super come into its own as "part" as Dragonball?

[Lord Frieza]

To be fair, in retrospect we all missed out on a lot by not seeing Dragon Ball before Z. The show did do a few flash backs to fill in the gaps but Z really is not the best place to start.

[Duo]

I just recently watched Geekdom's 101 celebration video and while I was thinking about my personal most/least favorite moments I wanted to come here and as if you guys think Super has become it's own thing rather than be DBZ 2.0? Like how Dragonball and Dragonball Z have their own different "charms"

Me personally I feel it has, because it has different strengths and weaknesses in comparison to the other series, it has it's own great moments while still referencing the past, has it's own interesting characters that are now most fans favorites. Namely Caulifla, Hit, Black, Zamasu, Beerus Etc.

So does it DBS have it's own "charm"? Would you watch it without having watched the previous series?

Super doesn't function independent of the pre-existing franchise, but Z really shouldn't have either, so it's hard to predict what legacy it will leave. Several characters you mentioned will remain a part of the greater Dragon Ball legacy forever, so the "great revival" has already been a true success since before Super was even announced.

[Totamo]

There is a reason why many say Z and Ball are like 2 different series.

[precita]

To be fair, in retrospect we all missed out on a lot by not seeing Dragon Ball before Z. The show did do a few flash backs to fill in the gaps but Z really is not the best place to start.

The thing is DBZ serves as a proper introduction to Gohan, Goku, Bulma, and Roshi at the very beginning. And then we see Piccolo who we know had some rivalry with Goku or was evil. Then the rest of the humans are introduced.

Since most of us started with DBZ we weren't too confused what happened before.

[BoosterZabi]

Super can't stand on its own without knowledge of DBZ prior. None of the old characters would make sense otherwise.

Technically the same could be said for Dragon Ball Z as well. If you didn't watch DB before DBZ, then it's hard to explain why there's a floating cat, talking turtle and pig, a cat who gives out magic healing beans, a black faced genie servant, people flying and shooting light out of their hands ect... I mean, I sure was asking myself those questions when I saw DBZ air in 96 on WB despite being 7 at the time. Nevertheless we still went with it and watched it. I think the same can be said for DBS as well.

New viewers will be alright until they get to the RoF arc. They'll see Goku get one shotted by a p.o.s laser gun and then be done with Super.

I really wish they put some depth into that. They could've easily made it believable like maybe had Freeza explain he enfused his ki (death beam) into the ring weapon so Sorbet could utilize it. But then again Saiyans are completely invulnerable. I mean Yajirobe's katana could've killed Vegeta if not for his armor and letting your guard down is a huge deal through DB and DBZ. But w/e don't want debate about the laser ring.

[MR.Mark]

then it's hard to explain why there's a floating cat, talking turtle and pig, a cat who gives out magic healing beans, a black faced genie servant

Most of these things were never explained period.

[BoosterZabi]

then it's hard to explain why there's a floating cat, talking turtle and pig, a cat who gives out magic healing beans, a black faced genie servant

Most of these things were never explained period.

True, but you still had the assumption in general of DB being a fantasy world as Bulma and Goku meetup.

[Shinsa]

To be clear if i were to recommend DB to anyone i would say watch DB then DBZ, then Super and then GT if they wanted to experience everything. However if they just wanted to watch Z and Z alone then i think they would be able to get into it no problem.

As for Super....i wouldn't recommend watching if without any knowledge of Z. To me its like telling someone to watch GT first! Super relies heavily on nostalgia, and past characters without really bringing many new important ones other then Beerus and Whis.

[fadeddreams5]

So does it DBS have it's own "charm"?

Yes. The only Dragon Ball series that feel like they're connected are DB and DBZ, for obvious reasons. GT feels like a pretty major departure, as is the case with Super. There's just something in its structure, tone, and presentation that's just very different from DBZ, even during the Black arc. Then there's, of course, the art and animation. That said, it does have a charm that GT lacked.

Would you watch it without having watched the previous series?

Hell no.

[MR.Mark]

Super mostly builds it's story's on prior DB mythology, and that's not a bad thing at all.