DragonBall S̶u̶p̶e̶r̶ Rainbow

[ABED]

THe show IS about fighting. Comedy is an element, but it's not what it's about.

When did I said it was ? The Android arc is and that is what I said

I never said you did. I merely pointed out that DB isn't one big story and you can get a great payoff without 100s of episodes worth of build up. DB often ended its stories and began new ones. And while there is a link to the Red Ribbon Army, its actual connection feels perfunctory.

[Cetra]

before putting my words out of context you should have quoted the entire thing like this

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The guy said if Goku fight somebody it has already been seen. Of course in a series that is about fighting or action packed you should see main character do it a lot. I did not said this show was only fighting and I did not characterize it as such. I even mentioned the comedy part in my 1st original post that started this topic

You just picked few of my words and decided to put it out of context

I did not decide to do anything. You should learn the 5 axioms of communication psychology if you want to have a proper conversation because all I have seen so far from you is an angry rant series of posts. If you want to have the intended context be understood you have to actually word it in a way that it is easily possible to understand it that way. 4. Axiom of Communication. Communication depends on analogue and digital modalities. Whether I add "Goku is the main character" to the post or not provides not enough relevance for an actual deduction about what you claim to be the intended context. You need to word it differently if you want a clear reflection of your intention. You also cannot expect me to consider your "first post" as a fool-proof way to conclude your true intention because people's opinions not always are perfectly coherent within their posting. Their are tons of initial posts in this forum that are somewhat contradicted by following posts of the same person, partially or not. Especially considering how emotional you are since you have made this topic it would be no wonder to think that. So regarding contextualization: You have to make it easier if you want no disturbance of communication. There was a guy last year who also acknowledged comedy and still fully claimed it is a total fighting show for some reason instead of acknowledging that it is a great mix of comedic action adventure. Fighting gets much exposition because it is exciting for people. That is why many love action movies. But those who reduce something to just that alone when there is more, make a mistake. You say you did not, then phrase it differently.

Yeah the series is primarily about fun characters and their interactions & this got lost somewhat during the Z portion it found it's way back somewhat in the Buu arc and fortunately Super has continued it brought it back in a great way we've had so many wonderful episodes that aren't about falt out fighting an enemy and have been great. Goku doing manual labour, Vegeta attempting to cook, a "friendly" baseball competition a freaking Dr Slump crossover... Brilliant stuff.

Is this sarcasm or actually your opinion?

[CrazyPenguin]

I did not decide to do anything. You should learn the 5 axioms of communication psychology if you want to have a proper conversation because all I have seen so far from you is an angry rant series of posts. If you want to have the intended context be understood you have to actually word it in a way that it is easily possible to understand it that way. 4. Axiom of Communication. Communication depends on analogue and digital modalities. Whether I add "Goku is the main character" to the post or not provides not enough relevance for an actual deduction about what you claim to be the intended context. You need to word it differently if you want a clear reflection of your intention. You also cannot expect me to consider your "first post" as a fool-proof way to conclude your true intention because people's opinions not always are perfectly coherent within their posting. Their are tons of initial posts in this forum that are somewhat contradicted by following posts of the same person, partially or not. Especially considering how emotional you are since you have made this topic it would be no wonder to think that. So regarding contextualization: You have to make it easier if you want no disturbance of communication. There was a guy last year who also acknowledged comedy and still fully claimed it is a total fighting show for some reason instead of acknowledging that it is a great mix of comedic action adventure. Fighting gets much exposition because it is exciting for people. That is why many love action movies. But those who reduce something to just that alone when there is more, make a mistake. You say you did not, then phrase it differently.

Its funny to see people like you on the Internet always pretending to be educated by copy pasting things you googled from the Internet to make you look like you majored in English. Not to mention you acting like a psychologist right now to judge me on emotional level and my communication skills. I am not emotional really I just wrote down my opinion and you took it way to seriously apparently.

I word my comments very simple and clear unlike you right now that needs to work on that. You look pretentious with this comment. You don't sound educated or clever.

You did put it out of context because you said I was characterizing the series as fighting only by just quoting only few of my words that said "its a fighting series". Which is not true I showed you the full quote so you understand what the conversation is all about.

Let me make it easier for you to understand. What does Goku do with Frieza ? He fights him. What does Goku do with Cell ? He fights him. What does Goku do with Vegeta ? He fights him. And so on with majority of the characters and many many fights trough the entire series. So is it correct to say that the series is about fighting ? Yes it is. Don't put this out of context now as well I did not say the entire series is only based on that.

You should work on your social skills that is not how you have a normal conversation with people by using complicated sentences. Keep it simple and on point.

[Cetra]

Its funny to see people like you on the Internet always pretending to be educated by copy pasting things you googled from the Internet to make you look like you majored in English. Not to mention you acting like a psychologist right now to judge me on emotional level and my communication skills. I am not emotional really I just wrote down my opinion and you took it way to seriously apparently.

What is funny is that you are just acting the same replacable way like every other person on this planet that disregards logic just because they are pissed and then instead of forming a polite and normal post for the discussion gets insulting. So don't think this is the first time someone is acting like that in a conversation with me. Not at all.

I have a degree in psychology. That has nothing to do with "acting like a psychologist" or "copying anything from the internet". And I AM educated because English is not my native tounge so I had to actually learn it in school. Anyway - even if I were to learn things from the internet, which happens at least sometimes, what actually is your point with this? Nothing, of course. If things work in the right situation there is no problem with that. Believe me, you are not important in my life. I do not know how to phrase certain comments in English or what I have to say about psychology just because you are playing a major role in my life. Same goes for the others that behave like you. This is experience that I had beforehand. School, university and stuff. But your childish behaviour really at this point deserves nothing but a report for this. And if you were not emotional you would have prefered to not go the insulting way with this post.

I word my comments very simple and clear unlike you right now that needs to work on that. You look pretentious with this comment. You don't sound educated or clever.

What you are saying does not make the slightest bit of sense. First of all you are trying to make a direct comparison between your and my post to show which post was clearly understandable when it comes to reflecting the poster's intention. The very fact that you understood what I was talking about and I have already shown you that just adding the Goku part will not make your intention or context any more clear shows that you did not make it more "simple or clear". You claim is based on my post actually bringing in some terminology and topic that you are not familiiar with and thus "it is less simple and less not clear enough" according to you. However, this statement has no ground to stand on because I really did not post anything hard to understand. The entire point of my post was "you have to pick your words better because they are an important factor of people understanding you the way you want them to understand you" and you can hardly claim that this was hard to understand as you actually did understand it.

I won't even respond to the overly polemical parts of your posts about me being hypocritical just because you are trying to somehow invalidate my words with your own emotional acting and claims that I am copying stuff from the internet because in your eyes people cannot learn such things and that I have to use these words to sound "educated" which is absolutely preposterous and outright insulting. As said, you are reported anyway.

You did put it out of context because you said I was characterizing the series as fighting only by just quoting only few of my words that said "its a fighting series". Which is not true I showed you the full quote so you understand what the conversation is all about.

"Goku is the main character and this series is about fighting. This is expected that Goku fights most of them not just somebody"

That was what you posted. Exactly that and nothing else. It was an answer for that:

"They had Goku fight somebody! SEEN IT ALREADY, BUDDY."

So tell me, where exactly is it "put out of context"? It is not. You were simply not phrasing it correctly to actually say what you wanted to say if what you claim to be your true intention is right - which I assume now. Seeing his answer about Goku having already fought people and you saying "Goku is the protagonist, this is a fighting show so we expect him to fight et cetera et cetera" does not give away what you say I am letting out or missing or whatever. Bringing in Goku does not mean your wording is not supposed to say "Dragon Ball is about fighting".

Word your posts better if you really don't want that to happen.

You should work on your social skills that is not how you have a normal conversation with people

The self irony is stunning. I suppose you never re-read your posts. "Compilcated sentences" are disliked by you for a "normal conversation" but condescending behaviour is fine? Amazing. But as said, replacable.

Anyway, reported. I am sure Kaboom or someone else will handle this situation between the two of us since you had no interest in actually properly responding.

[CrazyPenguin]

What is funny is that you are just acting the same replacable way like every other person on this planet that disregards logic just because they are pissed and then instead of forming a polite and normal post for the discussion gets insulting. So don't think this is the first time someone is acting like that in a conversation with me. Not at all.

When you say it then it has to be logic right ? You wrote disrespectful comments saying I am emotional because of a opinion and then that I have conversation skill problems. What did you expect for me to say thank you ? Lol get real for a moment. Btw I am not pissed that is a wrong analogy "Dr." Your comments are not polite either that does mean you are pissed

I have a degree in psychology.

Sure on Internet you can claim anything. But you don't behave like one. I would say this effects you more then it does me.

But your childish behaviour really at this point deserves nothing but a report for this. And if you were not emotional you would have prefered to not go the insulting way with this post.

So you are complaining about me insulting you and being emotional because of that but then you say this to me ? I mean do you even try reading your own comments ?

However, this statement has no ground to stand on because I really did not post anything hard to understand. The entire point of my post was "you have to pick your words better because they are an important factor of people understanding you the way you want them to understand you" and you can hardly claim that this was hard to understand as you actually did understand it.

You wrote this long comment with complicated sentence and you think its not hard to understand. Its hard to read without losing interest. Why can't you keep it simple and on point you said you have a degree in psychology you should then know this yourself. This is not a normal way to talk to people analyzing every single word.

Anyway, reported. I am sure Kaboom or someone else will handle this situation between the two of us since you had no interest in actually properly responding.

Reported and I am the one who got emotional lol I can't say that you have any legit reason for report or that you know how to talk to people normally.

But if you are getting so easily hurt by what I said then you should not have insulted me at the first place or keep insulting me again saying I am acting childish. You are just being hypocritical. I am giving you a lecture on how to talk to people and you said you have a degree in psychology Sorry but I have to say this you are making no sense to me the way you see things

[Shinsa]

I agree with most of what your saying....specially after researching super again on its new bluray release. reminds me how terrible the show was at the start. Its gotten abit better but not by much.

I also agree that as fans of the series you are expecting something better and something with at least some passion put into it! like i said before DB and DBZ are very much a product of its time, it had its issues but it was great for the time it was released and the effect it had on our culture. DBS' mistake is that its also a product of DBZ's time which just doesn't cut it in this day and age. The show is somewhat enjoyable but its hard to take it seriously with its silly multi coloured transformations,
juvenile jokes and not well thought out writing.

[Ajay]

CrazyPenguin, this is your one and only free warning. I suggest you reread the Forum Rules, in particular rules 3 and 4, and reassess your approach when posting in the future.

Cetra, please use the report button first, instead of having an emotional reaction, yourself. There's no need to get into a back and a forth after a user violates a rule.

Please keep all further posts in this thread in line with what we expect from the Kanzenshuu community. Thank you.

[PeanutSaiyan]

Yeah, the show really sucks. As a fan, that kind of...sucks.

[CrazyPenguin]

Just watched episode 102 and gave me GT flashbacks

[Xeogran]

Both Episode 102 and GT are great. I agree with that, too!

[CrazyPenguin]

Both Episode 102 and GT are great. I agree with that, too!

not really what I said lol

[Hellspawn28]

Gods that are Harley Quinn and Joker

Belmod is nothing like The Joker at all. I'm sick of people comparing the two. Even The Joker with God Powers was still crazy and evil.

[Vorige Waffe]

Oh wow, oh man, what a revelation: someone hates Super and Super is bad and is the worst thing since the Holocaust, the Inquisition, and the Great Leap Forward all rolled into one and now someone's childhood is raped because they feel the need to base their identity around a children's cartoon show.

What an original freaking thought and deserving of its own thread for the billionth time.

Take it to the DBS board at least, and someone please nuke this thread.

Addendum: A creator making something to make money isn't inherently bad. Why do you think Toriyama made Dragon Ball in the first place.

[CrazyPenguin]

Oh wow, oh man, what a revelation: someone hates Super and Super is bad and is the worst thing since the Holocaust, the Inquisition, and the Great Leap Forward all rolled into one and now someone's childhood is raped because they feel the need to base their identity around a children's cartoon show.

Those events are worst. Don't know how you got to that comparison from this

I don't base my childhood or identity on a cartoon show also don't know how you got that assumption.
I just stated my opinion and wanted to critic and discuss the series somewhere and this forum looks like a good place for it.

Take it to the DBS board at least, and someone please nuke this thread.

I am new to this forum I posted it in general because its seems like it should be talked in general. Dragonball super forum is basically discussing episodes specifically did not seem like the right place when I wanted to talk about Dragonball in general not just DB Super and compare it.

Addendum: A creator making something to make money isn't inherently bad. Why do you think Toriyama made Dragon Ball in the first place.

He had an idea and passion for this after getting inspiration from Jackie Chan movies. You can see if someone is doing with passion or not. Never said it was bad to make money out of something. I said it was done fast, lazy and without passion like the only goal is money and not to make the series good as they did before.



And btw if you don't like someones opinion about something you don't have to be disrespectful on a personal level I would say something more about your comment but I don't want to violate forum rules

[jjgp1112]

Also, there are plenty of plot holes in every single episode, and the script is lazy as fuck. Why did Goku wanted to save Kale and Caulifla, on the last episode, if they're enemies? Why weren't they atacked by any other characters while they were running away? Why didn't that girl from Jiren's group (which is "inspired" in Ginyu Troop) didn't lock everyone in that "another dimension's ball" and pushed them from the arena, just like 18 did to her?

Now, me and some friends have a channel on YouTube, where we comment about DBS episodes, and they (the staff) surprise me every week about how bad this show can be.

I think we oughta just retire the phrase "plot hole" if it's gonna be used this way.

[HybridSaiyan]

Look, Super is BAD but I wouldn't go that far lmao.
At least It's somewhat better than Evolution, so that's something right?

[CrazyPenguin]

Look, Super is BAD but I wouldn't go that far lmao.
At least It's somewhat better than Evolution, so that's something right?

Better then Evolution YES. I don't think any DB series can be worst then Evolution. But who knows I thought the same about GT then Evolution came.

This is how I would rate the series

DragoBall Z 10/10
DragonBall 8/10
DragonBall Super 4/10
DragonBall GT 2/10
DragonBall Evolution 0/10

[Trickster]

Also, there are plenty of plot holes in every single episode, and the script is lazy as fuck. Why did Goku wanted to save Kale and Caulifla, on the last episode, if they're enemies? Why weren't they atacked by any other characters while they were running away? Why didn't that girl from Jiren's group (which is "inspired" in Ginyu Troop) didn't lock everyone in that "another dimension's ball" and pushed them from the arena, just like 18 did to her?

Now, me and some friends have a channel on YouTube, where we comment about DBS episodes, and they (the staff) surprise me every week about how bad this show can be.

I think we oughta just retire the phrase "plot hole" if it's gonna be used this way.

My bad. I dind't mean to use those things as examples of plot holes. Some plot holes I can mention are: the fact of Gowasu being an old Kaioshin (since they don't get old [Rô Kaioshin's case hapenned just because he fused with a witch]), the fact that each Universe must have 5 Kaioshin, not only one (and Black should have killed all of them. But he said he killed THE Kaioshin), the fact Bills dind't do shit when Majin Boo was killing all of them, even their lives were connected, those kind of stuff.

[VegettoEX]

Oh wow, oh man, what a revelation: someone hates Super and Super is bad and is the worst thing since the Holocaust, the Inquisition, and the Great Leap Forward all rolled into one and now someone's childhood is raped because they feel the need to base their identity around a children's cartoon show.

What an original freaking thought and deserving of its own thread for the billionth time.

Take it to the DBS board at least, and someone please nuke this thread.

Addendum: A creator making something to make money isn't inherently bad. Why do you think Toriyama made Dragon Ball in the first place.

This is an inappropriate post on all sorts of levels and should not be seen as encouraged or reflective of the types of comments we ask our members to make.

If you don't like the conversation, no-one is forcing you to participate. If you feel a post does not live up to the spirit of the community guidelines, please use the forum's built-in functionality to report it to a moderator.

[Trickster]

Look, Super is BAD but I wouldn't go that far lmao.
At least It's somewhat better than Evolution, so that's something right?

Better then Evolution YES. I don't think any DB series can be worst then Evolution. But who knows I thought the same about GT then Evolution came.

This is how I would rate the series

DragoBall Z 10/10
DragonBall 8/10
DragonBall Super 4/10
DragonBall GT 2/10
DragonBall Evolution 0/10

I would reverse DBGT and DBS' scores. And I don't think DBZ is a 10/10 anime, but, in comparison only with the franchise itself, I agree it is.

(Btw, could you solve me a doubt? The way I wrote was right or I should use "DBGT's and DBS' scores"?)