"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Will]

They could also have voted for Yamcha for the jokes.
In anime/mangas poll, random things like a hat or a random character often get jokes votes.

[Lord Frieza]

You know how i view the earlier stages of this tournament? I view it as nothing more than "cleaning up" and "making room for the big fish" there's arguably a lot of fodder, as is expected with 80 warriors among just a few God Tier fighters. The tournament hasn't really been all that interesting to me up until this point.

In retrospect this is a problem all the tournaments have had bar the 21st Budokai.

While Goku and Roshi were the big players, many of the other warriors could hold their ground for a bit in a fight with them, either by skill or trickery. The 22nd really is full of fodder, except Roshi (maybe), as Tien and Goku could beat everyone else in a heartbeat if they took their fights 100% seriously from the start. This is the same for the 23rd, as Piccolo and Goku clearly outclass everyone in power, The Cell Games, which lets face it is not even a real tournament, and The Otherworld Tournament.

While both Baba's and the U6 tournaments still have this issue in their own way to.

Personally I've begun to hold the ToP as Superior to all other tournaments bar the 21st Budokai. This is because...

A) While it has its fodder, at least we are not forced to watch x amount of episodes of the heavy hitters wasting our time on one foe they could curb-stomp if they wanted to. Rather we have them fighting one or several weaker characters for one episode which dose not necessarily fix the problem but gives you more variate and dose not feel as much of a waste of time in retrospect. Please note Jiren and his "I dont give a F@~kness" being the expectation to this concept.

B) More then just two big players. While Goku and Jiren are going to be the gran finally of the tournament, due to the set up we have a number of powerful warriors working their way to the top. At bare bones we've gone from 2 big players to 3, maybe 4 in the form of U7, U6, U11 and maybe U2.

C) Honestly I find the whole thing way more fun and unpredictable then just two people fighting in a small ring.

[GodVegetto91]

You know how i view the earlier stages of this tournament? I view it as nothing more than "cleaning up" and "making room for the big fish" there's arguably a lot of fodder, as is expected with 80 warriors among just a few God Tier fighters. The tournament hasn't really been all that interesting to me up until this point.

In retrospect this is a problem all the tournaments have had bar the 21st Budokai.

While Goku and Roshi were the big players, many of the other warriors could hold their ground for a bit in a fight with them, either by skill or trickery. The 22nd really is full of fodder, except Roshi (maybe), as Tien and Goku could beat everyone else in a heartbeat if they took their fights 100% seriously from the start. This is the same for the 23rd, as Piccolo and Goku clearly outclass everyone in power, The Cell Games, which lets face it is not even a real tournament, and The Otherworld Tournament.

While both Baba's and the U6 tournaments still have this issue in their own way to.

Personally I've begun to hold the ToP as Superior to all other tournaments bar the 21st Budokai. This is because...

A) While it has its fodder, at least we are not forced to watch x amount of episodes of the heavy hitters wasting our time on one foe they could curb-stomp if they wanted to. Rather we have them fighting one or several weaker characters for one episode which dose not necessarily fix the problem but gives you more variate and dose not feel as much of a waste of time in retrospect. Please note Jiren and his "I dont give a F@~kness" being the expectation to this concept.

B) More then just two big players. While Goku and Jiren are going to be the gran finally of the tournament, due to the set up we have a number of powerful warriors working their way to the top. At bare bones we've gone from 2 big players to 3, maybe 4 in the form of U7, U6, U11 and maybe U2.

C) Honestly I find the whole thing way more fun and unpredictable then just two people fighting in a small ring.

I agree that this didn't apply to the tournaments back in early dragon ball. Back then, all fights were enjoyable to an extent. But so was dragon ball as a whole, with Super it's just different. I don't know how to explain it or describe it, it's a purely subjective feeling on my part. But i do like the idea of a battle royale, and i'm glad we have one now. It's fun! But i just don't like the designs of them at all, the only few designs i just "kinda like" are Toppo and Jiren's. The rest just look weird to me.

[Lord Frieza]

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Thats more then fair enough, the idea and all its aspects was never gonna gel for everyone on every level. we like what we like, we dont what we dont.

[GodVegetto91]

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Thats more then fair enough, the idea and all its aspects was never gonna gel for everyone on every level. we like what we like, we dont what we dont.

Uhm what? I never wrote "snip" what the hell did you even do to my post?

[Lord Frieza]

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Thats more then fair enough, the idea and all its aspects was never gonna gel for everyone on every level. we like what we like, we dont what we dont.

Uhm what? I never wrote "snip" what the hell did you even do to my post?

Ah you never come across that before? A number of people do this because quoting long posts over and over really ends up taking a lot of room after a while so this way you know I'm replying to you but people are not forced to read the same post x amount of time to get to the point if their interested plus its more aesthetically pleasing.

I know the feeling, the first time someone did it to me I thought they were taking the piss and I nearly got royally pissed off.

Edit: also I'm working at the same time and was to lazy to just edit it properly

[WittyUsername]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

[MrBlackFox]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

[The gr]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

Or this one,Goku couldn't recover the erased universe but he can recover the 70 contestant so he did that meaning all those people need to live in u7 or the other universe knowing their homes are erased and a happy one for hit considering he could fight Goku and still travel to the other universe and the contestants of u9 since they don't need to live in a trash heap

[Baggie_Saiyan]

With the FES Stage Vol 1 figures coming out today in Japan, I do miss the belt that Goku has in his regular gi, now that they reverted back wish they would have brought that back at least. I assume Toriyama got rid of it initially in the Android arc (along with the Kanji) because it was probably a nuisance to draw.

[MrBlackFox]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

Or this one,Goku couldn't recover the erased universe but he can recover the 70 contestant so he did that meaning all those people need to live in u7 or the other universe knowing their homes are erased this ending would be messed up for the people who care for their universe and a happy one for hit considering he could fight Goku and still travel to the other universe and the contestants of u9 since they don't need to live in a trash heap

I want to adopt u9 wolves in u7, I love them

Jokes aside, my perfect ending would be this: U7 wins, the winner ( in my dream is the goat Gohan) choose to summon the Super Dbs Dragon to ask him to resuscitate every universe, he says it's possible, but all the people and planets have to be merged in a big one

So we'd have every contestant, planet Sadal and much more being recurrent, giving us potential arcs and material for the next centuries

They could even recreate the long lost universes ( from 14 to 18 iirc, right?) who, as someone often says, could hide some ancient menace

At the same time, though eoz tournament didn't give us any proof, I fear God ki will be prohibited to mortals by someone big for some reason

[dragonballhero]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

Maybe Goku does bring back everyone and everything that was erased by Zen'O with the Super DBs, BUT...there IS a catch. All that was erased is NOT what Goku truly remembers.

To be more specific, no one person Goku knows is TRULY the same person from before the tournament. They're basically straight-up perfect replicas of the originals, and Goku would have to live with that knowledge for the rest of his life. Dark, I know.

[FortuneSSJ]

I have mixed feelings about the next episode. I don't want C17 or Ribrianne to be eliminated yet.

[MrBlackFox]

I'll say this about the Tournament of Power arc, while the execution thus far has generally been underwhelming, I am still curious to see what the resolution will be. While I'd assume that it would end with the winning team using the Super Dragon Balls to revive the ones that were erased, I am preparing myself for a potentially unpredictable ending, considering the bizarre resolution that the Future Trunks arc had.

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

Maybe Goku does bring back everyone and everything that was erased by Zen'O with the Super DBs, BUT...there IS a catch. All that was erased is NOT what Goku truly remembers.

To be more specific, no one person Goku knows is TRULY the same person from before the tournament. They're basically straight-up perfect replicas of the originals, and Goku would have to live with that knowledge for the rest of his life. Dark, I know.

Jeeeeesus, this could be on par with future Trunks arc's ending, who traumatized me and I'm still sad for it today

I dunno, I'm 50/50 oriented to this arc's ending:
I don't know what to think, will this end in an happy party with laughs and lot of foods, or we'll have another dark ending in which every loser remains annihilated forever?

Though my reason fairy says " it's impossible Toei, Toyble and Toriyama decide to create so many marketable, moneymaker fighters only to delete them in a bunch of episodes, losing any chance to make them recurrent and make even more money, so stop being an idiot MrBlackFox!"

[GodVegetto91]

Thats more then fair enough, the idea and all its aspects was never gonna gel for everyone on every level. we like what we like, we dont what we dont.

Uhm what? I never wrote "snip" what the hell did you even do to my post?

Ah you never come across that before? A number of people do this because quoting long posts over and over really ends up taking a lot of room after a while so this way you know I'm replying to you but people are not forced to read the same post x amount of time to get to the point if their interested plus its more aesthetically pleasing.

I know the feeling, the first time someone did it to me I thought they were taking the piss and I nearly got royally pissed off.

Edit: also I'm working at the same time and was to lazy to just edit it properly

Aha okay. Was wondering already. Thanks for clarifying.

[DainIronfoot]

Zenos start having too much fun with disintegration, and they end up blasting the winners too

Then no universe remains, and there's only empty space, so the Grand Priest recreates everything but at the pre-Beerus arrival state, then the protagonists simply go on with their life until EOZ
Goku meets Uub, leaves to train him and a new series starts from there, with no memories of Super events who have been deleted completely

Maybe Goku does bring back everyone and everything that was erased by Zen'O with the Super DBs, BUT...there IS a catch. All that was erased is NOT what Goku truly remembers.

To be more specific, no one person Goku knows is TRULY the same person from before the tournament. They're basically straight-up perfect replicas of the originals, and Goku would have to live with that knowledge for the rest of his life. Dark, I know.

Jeeeeesus, this could be on par with future Trunks arc's ending, who traumatized me and I'm still sad for it today

I dunno, I'm 50/50 oriented to this arc's ending:
I don't know what to think, will this end in an happy party with laughs and lot of foods, or we'll have another dark ending in which every loser remains annihilated forever?

Though my reason fairy says " it's impossible Toei, Toyble and Toriyama decide to create so many marketable, moneymaker fighters only to delete them in a bunch of episodes, losing any chance to make them recurrent and make even more money, so stop being an idiot MrBlackFox!"

That right there is the sole reason I believe that while the tournament may get dark...by the end it will come to light. There is NO way they would completely delete a bunch of these toy worthy characters. Dragonball gets probably most of it's revenue from it's toys and I find it hard to believe that Toei would want to interfere with that which brings them $$. Some way or another, these characters will return. Maybe not every single one, but many will definitely return (A few examples that may be great toys for the kiddies would be Narirama, Napapa, Majora, etc...)

[RedHeat]

Maybe Goku does bring back everyone and everything that was erased by Zen'O with the Super DBs, BUT...there IS a catch. All that was erased is NOT what Goku truly remembers.

To be more specific, no one person Goku knows is TRULY the same person from before the tournament. They're basically straight-up perfect replicas of the originals, and Goku would have to live with that knowledge for the rest of his life. Dark, I know.

Jeeeeesus, this could be on par with future Trunks arc's ending, who traumatized me and I'm still sad for it today

I dunno, I'm 50/50 oriented to this arc's ending:
I don't know what to think, will this end in an happy party with laughs and lot of foods, or we'll have another dark ending in which every loser remains annihilated forever?

Though my reason fairy says " it's impossible Toei, Toyble and Toriyama decide to create so many marketable, moneymaker fighters only to delete them in a bunch of episodes, losing any chance to make them recurrent and make even more money, so stop being an idiot MrBlackFox!"

That right there is the sole reason I believe that while the tournament may get dark...by the end it will come to light. There is NO way they would completely delete a bunch of these toy worthy characters. Dragonball gets probably most of it's revenue from it's toys and I find it hard to believe that Toei would want to interfere with that which brings them $$. Some way or another, these characters will return. Maybe not every single one, but many will definitely return (A few examples that may be great toys for the kiddies would be Narirama, Napapa, Majora, etc...)

If we take a look at the Future Trunk's arcs ending as an example like someone else said, there'll be at something no one would expect. I'm thinking they'll revive the universes (Gohan might suggest it), but it'll be sorta like a monkeys paw deal. Like some universes get merged causing mass chaos or the revival of a baddy.

[emperior]

You know how i view the earlier stages of this tournament? I view it as nothing more than "cleaning up" and "making room for the big fish" there's arguably a lot of fodder, as is expected with 80 warriors among just a few God Tier fighters. The tournament hasn't really been all that interesting to me up until this point.

In retrospect this is a problem all the tournaments have had bar the 21st Budokai.

While Goku and Roshi were the big players, many of the other warriors could hold their ground for a bit in a fight with them, either by skill or trickery. The 22nd really is full of fodder, except Roshi (maybe), as Tien and Goku could beat everyone else in a heartbeat if they took their fights 100% seriously from the start. This is the same for the 23rd, as Piccolo and Goku clearly outclass everyone in power, The Cell Games, which lets face it is not even a real tournament, and The Otherworld Tournament.

While both Baba's and the U6 tournaments still have this issue in their own way to.

Personally I've begun to hold the ToP as Superior to all other tournaments bar the 21st Budokai. This is because...

A) While it has its fodder, at least we are not forced to watch x amount of episodes of the heavy hitters wasting our time on one foe they could curb-stomp if they wanted to. Rather we have them fighting one or several weaker characters for one episode which dose not necessarily fix the problem but gives you more variate and dose not feel as much of a waste of time in retrospect. Please note Jiren and his "I dont give a F@~kness" being the expectation to this concept.

B) More then just two big players. While Goku and Jiren are going to be the gran finally of the tournament, due to the set up we have a number of powerful warriors working their way to the top. At bare bones we've gone from 2 big players to 3, maybe 4 in the form of U7, U6, U11 and maybe U2.

C) Honestly I find the whole thing way more fun and unpredictable then just two people fighting in a small ring.

The ToP is truly amazing thinking about it.
It's the first ever tournament where we don't have just two people as potential winners. We have Goku, Jiren, Hit, Freezer, Vegeta, Gohan, Kale, Caulifla, Ribrianne, Hit, Toppo and there's also that slim chance some very weak fighter manages to win somehow or something like it ending in a draw between two/three/four universes or a universe winning for numerical superiority.
With every other tournament it was clear who was going to win, in 21st it was either Goku or Jackie Chun, in 22nd it was Goku or Tenshinan, in 23rd it was either Goku or Piccolo.
Toriyama gave us a quite unexpected ending in the U6 tournament but that's something you can only pull once in a 1v1 tournament format.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I'm imagining Buu didnt fall asleep. Instead of Vegeta not punching Ribrianne because shes gross you could have had Buu not hit her because shes "gorgeous".

That would have been funnier and more believable considering she looks like a Majin a bit.

[HeroR]

In retrospect this is a problem all the tournaments have had bar the 21st Budokai.

While Goku and Roshi were the big players, many of the other warriors could hold their ground for a bit in a fight with them, either by skill or trickery. The 22nd really is full of fodder, except Roshi (maybe), as Tien and Goku could beat everyone else in a heartbeat if they took their fights 100% seriously from the start. This is the same for the 23rd, as Piccolo and Goku clearly outclass everyone in power, The Cell Games, which lets face it is not even a real tournament, and The Otherworld Tournament.

While both Baba's and the U6 tournaments still have this issue in their own way to.

Personally I've begun to hold the ToP as Superior to all other tournaments bar the 21st Budokai. This is because...

A) While it has its fodder, at least we are not forced to watch x amount of episodes of the heavy hitters wasting our time on one foe they could curb-stomp if they wanted to. Rather we have them fighting one or several weaker characters for one episode which dose not necessarily fix the problem but gives you more variate and dose not feel as much of a waste of time in retrospect. Please note Jiren and his "I dont give a F@~kness" being the expectation to this concept.

B) More then just two big players. While Goku and Jiren are going to be the gran finally of the tournament, due to the set up we have a number of powerful warriors working their way to the top. At bare bones we've gone from 2 big players to 3, maybe 4 in the form of U7, U6, U11 and maybe U2.

C) Honestly I find the whole thing way more fun and unpredictable then just two people fighting in a small ring.

Not really true since Yamcha went down to Jackie Chun without even being able to touch him and Chun used none of his better moves. Krillin gave Chun some problems, but Roshi could have ended him quickly too if he felt the need, the same way Piccolo toyed with Krillin in the 23rd Tournament. Only Goku forced Chun to go all out. Goku had problems because he was a child and did silly things like his 'Tornado' technique.

The 21st Tournament, half of the people were fodder, but they were all played for laughs except for Nam.