"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Okora]

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

Thanks.

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I really don't get why you have been watching Super since Dragonball was always like that, as you are saying yourself... There isn't a single exceptiok to that rule. Also liking a characyer just because is strong is pretty stupid, but that's just my opinion.
The rival of an arc is weak on the next one. Always. Did you really expected Jiren to be at a similar level o Hit or something? Last time he had a draw with normal SSB Goku, he's not even at a level similar to his Kaioken. And if Hit is not going to return as you are saying (but I doubt it) I won't really have a problem with it since he's pretty much a pale copy of Jotaro but nowhere as interesting as a supporting character.

Anyway, I don't see why you think Toriyama forced Toei to do anything. He just writed barebones, that has been confirmed a lot time ago. If you want to blame someone, blame Toei because of making Dyspo's first appareance so underwhelming. Toriyama had nothing to do with it.

DB wasn't always like that. Vegeta became a main character and Frieza came back stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the movie and currently he is stronger than Vegeta. How do you know Toriyama had nothing to do with it?

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

I'm not a Vegeta hater, i just tell you the truth like when you were arguing that Vegeta was stronger than Frieza and this scan confirmed i was right.
As i always said, i expected Hitto to be in the top 4. Vegeta is going to crush Hitto like a rag doll, probably with a single punch.

If Goku really goes SSG to deal with an opponent that can beat Hit, then Hit's being nerfed to his manga level

Exactly, Hitto is officially a bum, probably he will be eliminated by Dyspo.

What scan are you talking about?

[MisteryOne]

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

Thanks.

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I really don't get why you have been watching Super since Dragonball was always like that, as you are saying yourself... There isn't a single exceptiok to that rule. Also liking a characyer just because is strong is pretty stupid, but that's just my opinion.
The rival of an arc is weak on the next one. Always. Did you really expected Jiren to be at a similar level o Hit or something? Last time he had a draw with normal SSB Goku, he's not even at a level similar to his Kaioken. And if Hit is not going to return as you are saying (but I doubt it) I won't really have a problem with it since he's pretty much a pale copy of Jotaro but nowhere as interesting as a supporting character.

Anyway, I don't see why you think Toriyama forced Toei to do anything. He just writed barebones, that has been confirmed a lot time ago. If you want to blame someone, blame Toei because of making Dyspo's first appareance so underwhelming. Toriyama had nothing to do with it.

DB wasn't always like that. Vegeta became a main character and Frieza came back stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the movie and currently he is stronger than Vegeta. How do you know Toriyama had nothing to do with it?

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

I'm not a Vegeta hater, i just tell you the truth like when you were arguing that Vegeta was stronger than Frieza and this scan confirmed i was right.
As i always said, i expected Hitto to be in the top 4. Vegeta is going to crush Hitto like a rag doll, probably with a single punch.

If Goku really goes SSG to deal with an opponent that can beat Hit, then Hit's being nerfed to his manga level

Exactly, Hitto is officially a bum, probably he will be eliminated by Dyspo.

DB was ALWAYS like thag. Your examples have nothing to do with what I said. Both Vegeta and Frieza were threated like useless fodder in the next arc they were introduced (Vegeta in his second arc, Namek, and Frieza in his second one, Androids). Vegeta came back on a third arc because the plot needed him to, and that is not Hit's case at all, just like previous enemies didn't returned. Frieza is in fact an exception since as Toriyama said himself, RoF was full of fanservice. He returning this second time can also be another sugestiom from Toei/Shueisha/whoever. Anyway, my point still stands. This is Hit's second arc, if you expected him to still be usefull, then I don't know why you keep watching DB.

How do YOU know Toriyama had something to do with it? We have been told he writes barebones, with only certain scenes being writtwn in detail. Super is a Toei and Toyotaro product, not a Toriyama one. Thwy are who decide everything that happens, as long as it doesn't contradict Toriyama's outlines. Are you seriously expecting people to believe that Toriyama wrote specifically "Hit is too OP in the anime, nerf him to manga level". It's a nonsense. If anything, maybe, I repeat, maybe, he wrote that Hit would have problems with Dyspo and Goku would help him. In that case, again, Toei is the only one to blame since they didn't hype Dyspo enough. Toriyama has nothing to do with it. If you are just annoyed because he doesn't (seem to) have plans for Hit on the future, again, this is how DB works. Every second arc for an old rival makes him look like fodder. There isn't a single exception to that rule, specially in the Super anime version.

[perucho1990]

Vegeta should have gone Super Saiyan God and beaten up Brianne......why go Golden...

I think this Toyotaro interview is starting to make sense.

At this point, I’m not very involved with it. I think going forward, I’ll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I’ll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we’ll continue to support one another as we go forward.

if SSJG returns then probably what Toyotaro/Toriyama want.

[supersaiyan1993]

Can anyone clarify this for me please? In one of the spoilers it said that "Goku's body was throbbing" ...What exactly does that mean?

i think its meant to mean that goku was excited to fight and it was hard to hold back. anyway about the super saiyan god thing, its just blue .

[Torturephile]

Yes, Hit will struggle. Now I'm interested in the development of him getting his head split in half (more than it is.) But seriously, I find it more interesting seeing a strong character struggle than dominate. What I don't like is Goku saving him. An unexpected choice like Vegeta or Piccolo would be more ineresting.

[Jigurashi]

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

Thanks.

What happened is very simple. Toriyama forced the anime team to make of Hitto a bum like in the manga, therefore, now both converge and Hitto is done as a character. I'm gonna watch until the end of the tournament and drop the series, because, Toriyama does always the same shit and i had it. Don't get your hopes high with Jiren because, in the next arc he will be another bum. At least, my prediction that Golden Frieza was stronger than Vegeta is correct. Vegeta fanboys must be in extreme pain.

I really don't get why you have been watching Super since Dragonball was always like that, as you are saying yourself... There isn't a single exceptiok to that rule. Also liking a characyer just because is strong is pretty stupid, but that's just my opinion.
The rival of an arc is weak on the next one. Always. Did you really expected Jiren to be at a similar level o Hit or something? Last time he had a draw with normal SSB Goku, he's not even at a level similar to his Kaioken. And if Hit is not going to return as you are saying (but I doubt it) I won't really have a problem with it since he's pretty much a pale copy of Jotaro but nowhere as interesting as a supporting character.

Anyway, I don't see why you think Toriyama forced Toei to do anything. He just writed barebones, that has been confirmed a lot time ago. If you want to blame someone, blame Toei because of making Dyspo's first appareance so underwhelming. Toriyama had nothing to do with it.

DB wasn't always like that. Vegeta became a main character and Frieza came back stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the movie and currently he is stronger than Vegeta. How do you know Toriyama had nothing to do with it?

I like how quickly you drop characters that don't perform. Seriously. It's refreshing over the typical endless spinning that other fans do for their favorites.

I like how Hit's fan must be Vegeta's hater at the same time. Like WTF, what is the correlation? And I am glad your assassin's gonna need Goku to help him out. The only character who was stupidly strong in the anime was Hit. Did you expect him to be the strongest guy around for the whole time? Hit ended like every other main antagonist in every arc. He was sidelined. Maybe not yet, but this process already started. Jobbing to Vegeta will be a great final of Hit The Legendary Assassin .

I'm not a Vegeta hater, i just tell you the truth like when you were arguing that Vegeta was stronger than Frieza and this scan confirmed i was right.
As i always said, i expected Hitto to be in the top 4. Vegeta is going to crush Hitto like a rag doll, probably with a single punch.

If Goku really goes SSG to deal with an opponent that can beat Hit, then Hit's being nerfed to his manga level

Exactly, Hitto is officially a bum, probably he will be eliminated by Dyspo.

I doubt Dyspo is eliminating Hitto tbh. All we know is that he's going to give him a good fight.

Yes, Hit will struggle. Now I'm interested in the development of him getting his head split in half (more than it is.) But seriously, I find it more interesting seeing a strong character struggle than dominate. What I don't like is Goku saving him. An unexpected choice like Vegeta or Piccolo would be more ineresting.

I understand this but realistically, that was never going to happen. Vegeta nor Piccolo would save Hitto. They don't like/care about him enough to do that. Not to mention if Hitto is having trouble with Dyspo, then Piccolo likely wouldn't be able to do anything.

[Torturephile]

I just threw their names out there randomly, it could be anyone else. Should have thought of that a bit more, however.

[ssjprodigy]

i would you to hear your guys opinion on this viewtopic.php?f=25&t=39553

[TheOne]

I'm holding onto the hope that they're exaggerating when they say Hit is having trouble with dyspo for the sake of promoting the episode. Trying to get viewers to tune in to see what happens.

[Jigurashi]

I'm holding onto the hope that they're exaggerating when they say Hit is having trouble with dyspo for the sake of promoting the episode. Trying to get viewers to tune in to see what happens.

But what would be the point in Goku coming to his aid if Hitto wasn't struggling at all with Dyspo? It's possible they might be exaggerating, but I can't imagine Goku stepping in to help if Hitto isn't having much difficulty with Dyspo.

[TheOne]

I'm holding onto the hope that they're exaggerating when they say Hit is having trouble with dyspo for the sake of promoting the episode. Trying to get viewers to tune in to see what happens.

But what would be the point in Goku coming to his aid if Hitto wasn't struggling at all with Dyspo? It's possible they might be exaggerating, but I can't imagine Goku stepping in to help if Hitto isn't having much difficulty with Dyspo.

Goku is hopping all over the place. He wants to fight strong guys and he also wants to fight Toppo again. If it's two on one and the other one is Toppo, you better believe he's stepping in.

There's no doubt that everyone also wants to see Goku and Hit fight together. I see it as fan service.

[Jigurashi]

I'm holding onto the hope that they're exaggerating when they say Hit is having trouble with dyspo for the sake of promoting the episode. Trying to get viewers to tune in to see what happens.

But what would be the point in Goku coming to his aid if Hitto wasn't struggling at all with Dyspo? It's possible they might be exaggerating, but I can't imagine Goku stepping in to help if Hitto isn't having much difficulty with Dyspo.

Goku is hopping all over the place. He wants to fight strong guys and he also wants to fight Toppo again. If it's two on one and the other one is Toppo, you better believe he's stepping in.

There's no doubt that everyone also wants to see Goku and Hit fight together. I see it as fan service.

I agree, what I'm saying is though, the spoilers make no mention of Toppo, and specifically mention that Dyspo is giving Hitto trouble. Even going as far as to say Dyspo is using "Light Bullets" to restrict Hitto's movements/neutralize the Tokitobashi and one-sidedly pummels Hitto. With that said, spoilers have been wrong before, and it very easily could be a two on one scenario which leads to Goku stepping in. I wouldn't either one personally. The two-on-one scenario gives Goku a greater reason to step in, while the one-on-one scenario helps Dyspo look better.

[TheOne]

But what would be the point in Goku coming to his aid if Hitto wasn't struggling at all with Dyspo? It's possible they might be exaggerating, but I can't imagine Goku stepping in to help if Hitto isn't having much difficulty with Dyspo.

Goku is hopping all over the place. He wants to fight strong guys and he also wants to fight Toppo again. If it's two on one and the other one is Toppo, you better believe he's stepping in.

There's no doubt that everyone also wants to see Goku and Hit fight together. I see it as fan service.

I agree, what I'm saying is though, the spoilers make no mention of Toppo, and specifically mention that Dyspo is giving Hitto trouble. Even going as far as to say Dyspo is using "Light Bullets" to restrict Hitto's movements/neutralize the Tokitobashi and one-sidedly pummels Hitto. With that said, spoilers have been wrong before, and it very easily could be a two on one scenario which leads to Goku stepping in. I wouldn't either one personally. The two-on-one scenario gives Goku a greater reason to step in, while the one-on-one scenario helps Dyspo look better.

The spoilers didn't say Toppo? Hmm.. I wonder where I got that from then??

I guess I assumed it was Toppo since there's only a handful of Pride Troopers left. I guess we will just have to see what happens this weekend. Spoilers are a little weird sometimes.

[Jigurashi]

Goku is hopping all over the place. He wants to fight strong guys and he also wants to fight Toppo again. If it's two on one and the other one is Toppo, you better believe he's stepping in.

There's no doubt that everyone also wants to see Goku and Hit fight together. I see it as fan service.

I agree, what I'm saying is though, the spoilers make no mention of Toppo, and specifically mention that Dyspo is giving Hitto trouble. Even going as far as to say Dyspo is using "Light Bullets" to restrict Hitto's movements/neutralize the Tokitobashi and one-sidedly pummels Hitto. With that said, spoilers have been wrong before, and it very easily could be a two on one scenario which leads to Goku stepping in. I wouldn't either one personally. The two-on-one scenario gives Goku a greater reason to step in, while the one-on-one scenario helps Dyspo look better.

The spoilers didn't say Toppo? Hmm.. I wonder where I got that from then??

I guess I assumed it was Toppo since there's only a handful of Pride Troopers left. I guess we will just have to see what happens this weekend. Spoilers are a little weird sometimes.

Hopefully the NEP this Saturday gives us a better idea of what's going on. I also hope it gives us an answer to whether SSG is being used or not. If so, I'm iffy on it. I like it far more than SSB, and love it's aura, but they're gonna have to give an explanation on that.

[fadeddreams5]

So all the strongest fighters, gods of destruction, and angels in the multiverse are present in the tournament of power. How f'd would everyone be if one of Dr. Gero's supercomputers was still around and managed to collect their data/dna for a new Cell? o_o

[Jigurashi]

So all the strongest fighters, gods of destruction, and angels in the multiverse are present in the tournament of power. How f'd would everyone be if one of Dr. Gero's supercomputers was still around and managed to collect their data/dna for a new Cell? o_o

Wouldn't the GoDs or Angels, or Daishinkan, or Zennie (Zen'o) still be able to curbstomp that Cell since there isn't much data to get abut them since they're just chilling, watching the participants fight? I imagine this Cell would be pretty damn powerful though.

[Totamo]

I'm holding onto the hope that they're exaggerating when they say Hit is having trouble with dyspo for the sake of promoting the episode. Trying to get viewers to tune in to see what happens.

i truly doubt that.

[JazzMazz]

Just to clear up my opinion, I don't have a problem with Hit losing to a new opponent, the entire point of the tournament was so Goku could fight a range of really powerful guys and we already knew some of them would be more powerful than Hit. The thing I do have a problem with, is when the person whose going to have the honour of making him job, is a complete punk that couldn't even handle a random monster on his own.

In Dragonball, when a major villain or character who is relevant at the time jobs, it's usually is to someone that will be somewhat relevant later done the line, and is usually done as a way to establish them as someone who means business. Freeza jobbing to Trunks is one of the most memorable moments of the android saga, Cell jobbing to Pikkon in the anime is a really cool(though stupid) scene that demonstrates his power, hell, even Vegeta jobbing to Hit was a good way of establishing the character as someone who means business.

Dyspo's introduction revolves around him get his ass handed to him by a random monster whom we know nothing about. Instead of establishing him as potential threat, or proving how capable he is, we were instead inclined to believe that he was complete incompetent who wouldn't be very important down the line. I think they could have avoided this by just having him single-handedly and easily taking out the monster, that what way we would know that he was an at least capable and competent combatant. Maybe instead of just being referred generically, the monster guy could have called Dyspo by name to make it seem like he had some sort of reputation, any number of things could have done to make Dyspo's introduction more memorable.

Instead we just have to accept the fact that Hit, someone that has actually been established as a threat to the audience, and who has a reputation as an infamous assassin, is going to lose to an seemingly inept nobody, that doesn't even have a reputation in their own universe, much less others.

[Kanassa]

Instead we just have to accept the fact that Hit, someone that has actually been established as a threat to the audience, and who has a reputation as an infamous assassin, is going to lose to an seemingly inept nobody, that doesn't even have a reputation in their own universe, much less others.

I don't really see the problem, not every threat needs to be introduced as one. Hit's opponent doesn't need to be introduced as a badass to give Hit trouble, in fact, this only goes into how unpredictable the tournament has been so far. A character getting built up is starting to be a reason to see that they're going to be defeated.

[TheMikado]

Just to clear up my opinion, I don't have a problem with Hit losing to a new opponent, the entire point of the tournament was so Goku could fight a range of really powerful guys and we already knew some of them would be more powerful than Hit. The thing I do have a problem with, is when the person whose going to have the honour of making him job, is a complete punk that couldn't even handle a random monster on his own.

In Dragonball, when a major villain or character who is relevant at the time jobs, it's usually is to someone that will be somewhat relevant later done the line, and is usually done as a way to establish them as someone who means business. Freeza jobbing to Trunks is one of the most memorable moments of the android saga, Cell jobbing to Pikkon in the anime is a really cool(though stupid) scene that demonstrates his power, hell, even Vegeta jobbing to Hit was a good way of establishing the character as someone who means business.

Dyspo's introduction revolves around him get his ass handed to him by a random monster whom we know nothing about. Instead of establishing him as potential threat, or proving how capable he is, we were instead inclined to believe that he was complete incompetent who wouldn't be very important down the line. I think they could have avoided this by just having him single-handedly and easily taking out the monster, that what way we would know that he was an at least capable and competent combatant. Maybe instead of just being referred generically, the monster guy could have called Dyspo by name to make it seem like he had some sort of reputation, any number of things could have done to make Dyspo's introduction more memorable.

Instead we just have to accept the fact that Hit, someone that has actually been established as a threat to the audience, and who has a reputation as an infamous assassin, is going to lose to an seemingly inept nobody, that doesn't even have a reputation in their own universe, much less others.

Exactly, the point of Raditz, in terms of power, was to show how royally f$cked the Earth was against the Saiyans. The Saibamen were designed to show how strong they had become compared to Raditz. Then Nappa, Then Vegeta, then Oozaru Vegeta. And the list goes on and on and on.. the tension is lost because the sense of scale and power pyramid is all over the place.